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milestogo

(16,829 posts)
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:11 PM Feb 2020

I don't really understand how the Presidential Pardon makes sense in our system of government.

The president gets a stack of get-out-of-jail-free cards to use at will. If that person is a thoughtful, reasonable person then perhaps it makes the system a little more fair. But if that person has criminal tendencies of his own, its just going to be abused.

I'd like to do away with it, frankly.

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I don't really understand how the Presidential Pardon makes sense in our system of government. (Original Post) milestogo Feb 2020 OP
Not a snowballs chance in hell right now, but I hope Reality dewsgirl Feb 2020 #1
How would a Democratic president get rid of the pardon power onenote Feb 2020 #8
Are you asking me? dewsgirl Feb 2020 #10
It is one of the powers left over from monarchy. lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #2
As I recall customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #3
It is a check on the judicial branch. former9thward Feb 2020 #4
This president will bluestarone Feb 2020 #5
by the time he is through, we will very much want presidential pardon power unblock Feb 2020 #6
One more bit of 18th Century antiquated irrelevance in the Constitution UTUSN Feb 2020 #7
So you think Carter shouldn't have had the power to pardon Vietnam War draft evaders? onenote Feb 2020 #9
Come on. As in all things, equivalences can be made to be illogical. The point is one human having UTUSN Feb 2020 #12
The Turbineguy Feb 2020 #11

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
1. Not a snowballs chance in hell right now, but I hope Reality
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:14 PM
Feb 2020

Winner is on the Dem president's first things to do list, if things work out.

onenote

(42,702 posts)
8. How would a Democratic president get rid of the pardon power
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:29 PM
Feb 2020

It's in the Constitution. A president could choose not to use it, but that's never going to happen, nor should it. There are instances where a pardon or clemency is warranted.

Do you object to Jimmy Carter's grant of pardons to thousands of Vietnam era draft evaders?

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
3. As I recall
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:20 PM
Feb 2020

from my poli-sci classes, it was a power designed to heal the nation. Of course, the founding fathers expected that it would be used wisely for that purpose.

former9thward

(32,004 posts)
4. It is a check on the judicial branch.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:20 PM
Feb 2020

It should be there. Opponents of every president have claimed he abused it. That goes with the territory. It was placed in the Constitution for a good reason.

unblock

(52,221 posts)
6. by the time he is through, we will very much want presidential pardon power
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:26 PM
Feb 2020

imagine if donnie and barr and the rest of these bastards fabricate charges and fake trials and convictions for half the democrats in washington!

if there's ever a democratic president, we'll want that person to be able to undo a lot of damage!

UTUSN

(70,691 posts)
7. One more bit of 18th Century antiquated irrelevance in the Constitution
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:29 PM
Feb 2020

It's a remnant of Royalism, divine right. But most of all, it is totally UNFETTERED POWER. For SHITLER, it is his wielding of unquestioned power, about the only real power he can claim is legitimate under the Constitution. The ultimate orgasm for him that nobody can challenge.






UTUSN

(70,691 posts)
12. Come on. As in all things, equivalences can be made to be illogical. The point is one human having
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:42 PM
Feb 2020

total power. Without the celebrated "checks and balances" that were supposed to be an organizing principle of the Constitution. I was pretty clear that I am talking about unfettered power, anti-democratic Royal power. So since I'm saying that, it means I am against *all* Pardons done by one person's say-so. Whether there are morally protected classes for "good" vs "bad" Pardons is a separate and intricately open topic that I'm not addressing.







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