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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump creates a torrent of scandals so no one can focus on resolving any individual one.
It's a never ending flood of appalling scandals and he gets away with every single one no matter how damaging to the structure of the government and Constitution.
I fear he could win in November because he will cheat, lie and corrupt as much of the electoral system as is possible in order to 'win'.
I was thinking that if he wins, in four more years I'll bet he runs again. The Constitution allows only two terms but he will proclaim that America loves him and wants him to run again so he will. By that time he will probably have installed at least 4 loyal justices on the Supreme Court and even if they ruled against him, who would stop him? What could they do?
It's so inconceivable that such an unintelligent ass can manage a long term coup over the US government but it's happening since the whole Republican party supports the coup.
I sure hope more of America wakes up and sees what's happening because only if there is a massive blue wave at the polls everywhere will he be stopped. (I suppose if there is a military mutiny he could go down but I don't expect that to happen.)
This November really will decide if the America that was birthed by the revolutionary war will continue or die a miserable and tragic death.
CanonRay
(14,088 posts)Personally I wouldn't be shocked if he croaks before November. One can dream.
Kablooie
(18,613 posts)bdamomma
(63,803 posts)drugs he is pumping into himself will take a toll on him. Or maybe corona will make a visit to him.
CanonRay
(14,088 posts)going to your doc. You're 75 pounds overweight, take who knows what drugs, eat junk food, sleep deprived and stressed out. I'd be pre-ordering my coffin.
bdamomma
(63,803 posts)he is not immune.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)surrounded by traitors.
Ms. Toad
(34,008 posts)until you took the leap into conspiracy theory/crazy talk. This crap about him becoming presidency for life is the same nonsense we made fun of the Republicans about when they claimed that was what Obama was going to do.
It makes us look as dumb as it made them look.
But I agree about creating a torret of scandals - and that we need to defeat him.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)The SCOTUS cannot declare a Constitutional Amendment unconstitutional. They can interpret it, but the 22nd Amendment was well written, without 18th Century nuances to have to decipher a modern meaning out of.
But, it is clear that Trump gets what he wants through chaos.
Kablooie
(18,613 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,008 posts)in how he carries out the duties of his office as opposed to tossing the constitution out the window via the election system in all 50 states. The former requires the party in charge to exercise its discretion; the latter does not.
Kablooie
(18,613 posts)He will have to show he's more powerful than the Constitution and once he cracks that the country belongs to him.
Also as long as Republicans hold the Senate they won't stop him.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,008 posts)BUT the allegations the OP is making are the same fantasy sky-is-falling allegations that was made against Obama. They were ludicrous then. They are ludicrous now - regardless of who they are leveled against.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... he deserve the benefit of the doubt that he wont try and run again?
thx in advance
meadowlander
(4,388 posts)https://www.ccn.com/trumps-evil-plan-to-stay-president-until-2048-could-happen-with-this-trick/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-again-jokes-about-staying-on-as-president-for-more-than-two-terms/2019/04/18/05a5afce-6207-11e9-9ff2-abc984dc9eec_story.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/18/politics/donald-trump-term-limit/index.html
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/trump-jokes-rigged-elections-chaos.html
These document more than 27 different references Trump has made to staying in office beyond his second term.
If you don't think he'd at least try it, you haven't been paying any attention to the last 4 years.
This is what he does. He floats an outrageous statement to normalise it and then he goes ahead and does it and gives the finger to anyone who tries to stop him.
Ms. Toad
(34,008 posts)Clearly we need to mandate a more comprehensive civics curriculum.
Trump does not control the administration of the elections. Bill Barr does not control the state administration of elections. The Republican controlled senate (or any state versions thereof) do not control elections. Party-Balanced election bodies in each state do. In order to be a candidate on the state ballots for president, you have to be eligible. He is not constitutionally eligible for a third term. He can stomp his feet and hold his breath until he passes out. What he jokes about, what he might want to do, even what he might try to do make no difference. He's not going to be on the ballot. If his idiot followers cast write-in ballots for him (in states that allow election-day writeins) those votes would would no more count for him than they would for Arnold Schwarzennegger (who is not a natural born citizen).
Predicting the sky will fall when what is being suggested it is expressly prohibited by the constitution belongs in the crazy talk/conspiracy forum.
meadowlander
(4,388 posts)Congress gets to see his tax returns.
And yet here we are.
Ms. Toad
(34,008 posts)and the willingness of a Republican-controlled senate to put its foot down. That's where we need better civics education (and changes so that a strong-willed, jerk of a president cannot use the lack of clarity about limits and ignore custom to get his way).
There is no such interpretation of the constitution that permits Trump a 3rd term.
The distinction is what demonstrates an obvious need for beefed up civics education in this country.
meadowlander
(4,388 posts)OMB must distribute funds that are appropriated by Congress is black letter law.
He's not relying on legal fuzziness or unwritten customs there. His administration is openly defying the rule of law. Where he has done it repeatedly and gotten away with it, he will do it again.
And I'm sorry, but it is simply ridiculous to say that anyone who looks at the way this president has conducted himself over the past four years and concludes that he will at least try to get around term limits is the same as right-wing nut jobs saying Obama would do the same thing.
The only way Trump is leaving the Oval Office is in a coffin or being frog-marched out by the Secret Service.
If he loses the elections, he will say it's rigged. He will drum up any pretense to declare a national emergency (like he's already done with Mexican immigration). He will throw us in to war and try to suspend the elections (like he's already assassinated a foreign minister in Iran to try to distract from his impeachment trial).
We need to be prepared with a strategy for how he responds when he inevitably does this and it better not be a strongly worded letter, an "independent" investigation that takes three years or another raft of subpoenas that get tied up in the courts forever before John Roberts and Brett Kavanaugh wipe their backsides with them.
We actually are in a constitutional crisis and trying to downplay it is not helping. What part of "he is a Russian asset and has half the GRU and FSB cooking up new ways for him to dismantle American democracy" has not been amply proven by the investigations and crimes in plain sight of the past two years? Do you really think Putin is just going to give up and walk away because of a term limit clause in the Constitution?
The sky actually is fucking falling and people need to wake up to it before it's too late.
Turin_C3PO
(13,912 posts)more than two terms. No state would put him on the ballot, And if the Dem wins in 2020, hell be out on his ass January 2021. He can go willingly or unwillingly but go he will. The Secret Service and US Marshalls would see to that.
Ms. Toad
(34,008 posts)Which is the means to enforce laws that are violated.
Just as there was no way Obama could have fun for a third term, there is no way Trump can. We should focus, instead on countering the real evil he is doing and preventing him from getting a second term.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)lame54
(35,268 posts)He's just on autopilot