They are dismantling The New Deal

[PCIntern]

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Along with any programs which grew out from it. I’m telling you: if they could reinstitute slavery and remove the right to vote for women they would and their women would support them wholeheartedly. They are ruthless beyond belief. The Pharaohs has nothing on these bastards.

[rampartc]

1. that has been their intention since the mccarthy era.

they do want to finish repealing the new deal and the great society, but they want to make reinstitution of the programs unthinkable by labeling them "socialist," and unconstitutional by appointing federalist society judges.

[Sherman A1]

4. Since before that

The GOP wanted it gone when it was enacted and have been working on it since the 1930s.

[katmondoo]

12. True

[Caliman73]

56. Absolutely correct.

The Business Plot was hatched between wealthy businessmen (including GW Bush's grandfather) to get FDR out of office because of FDR's New Deal. They hated him and he welcomed their hatred. It was a 40 year struggle for the GOP to get to where Reagan could lower taxes and destroy most private unions. It has been another 40 years since then trying to gut Medicare, Medicaid, and other social safety net programs.

[Texin]

35. Rampartc - it's been their intention since the early days of the New Deal.

They did everything in their arsenal back then to dismantle everything, taking fights to the SCOTUS. McConnell and the rethugs are within a few months of being able to do that. They are banking on it (literally!). I personally believe tRump is making it a little bit harder for them right now, because his depravity and recklessness are so brazenly on display. There's no doubt they'd have preferred him to mind his manners just wee tad more until the vote in November, but what the hell? I think they're just rolling with it and watching him go after it. There's absolutely no fucking doubt whatsoever, they're loving this! They're like pigs rolling in slop. The majority of people are in such a fucking stupor, walking around with their god damned eyeballs glued to their fucking *smartphones* with about as much awareness as a dumpster. As long as they have their *devices* and a Starbucks on every block, why would they care?

[rampartc]

41. i care because without my medicare i'm literally dead

these kids, though, seem to be immortal.

and yes, every hard earned inch of progress has been opposed at every turn.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

62. Without medicaid

I'd be dead too.

[misanthrope]

68. Same boat here

I can't get insurance to cover me since my disability (genetic emphysema) affects every aspect of my health. I've been hospitalized nearly 10 times since my diagnosis 17 years ago and I'm not even 60 years old yet.

Meanwhile, I am surrounded by relatives, acquaintances and colleagues who actively want my coverage to evaporate by working to eradicate the social safety net.

[samnsara]

2. just keep your passports renewed

[Maggiemayhem]

32. I am really shocked at the number of people

I know ready to leave this country if Trump wins. Even on the local and state level here in WV, every office is practically stuffed with far right nut jobs that are writing laws for ALEC. I don’t know if we can ever recover. That is why Sanders gives us hope. All fifty five counties primaried Sanders in 2016. People with means to do so will leave and then we will be stuck with far right Republicans or center right neo liberal Democrats. The few common sense for the people Democrats are few and far between.

[Texin]

40. Maggie, where would they go? Believe me, seriously, I've been thinking about it.

The only place I think I might be comfortable living is in Canada, but attaining citizenship or being able to live long-term there is challenging, especially for a senior (I'm 65 and haven't worked full time in more than ten years - and all I have coming in now is Social Security. I guess I'd better get ready to start missing that, along with Medicare, which I only just began on). More challenging than that, though, is that Canadian housing is shockingly expensive.

I've thought about places in Mexico since I live in Texas, or even in Belize or Costa Rica, but I think those places would be overrun with expats. Every day, as much as I hate to admit, I'm just saddened and sickened at what I see taking place before my very eyes. I feel helpless to do anything. The Democratic candidate field is in a shambles, and I frankly don't believe they can pull this off. I honestly don't. I don't think it even matters, because tRump isn't going anywhere. And guess what, the rethugs will be more than happy to help him bunker in! They'll be cheering him on like the chuckleheads at the Daytona 500.

[yuiyoshida]

66. I think being in California is a good thing

They are trying their best to keep people afloat.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

3. They want to go back to the 1850s with robber barons.

When Repugs talk of "the good old days", they're not referring to "Leave it to Beaver" or the 1950s, they long for the 1850s, but with smart phones.

[LastDemocratInSC]

5. A good description of their desires.

[3Hotdogs]

6. Not so, on their return to slavery wishes.

They'd have to buy the slaves, buy their clothes, pay to keep them healthy, watch 'em so's stuff "don't get broken," pay for their funerals and lose their investment when they run away to Mexico.


Why buy a slave? Pay a worker .50 above minimum wage and they'll do whatever you want, for as long as you want.

[rampartc]

10. they had sex with their slaves

without non disclosure agreements

[bitterross]

13. You're assuming they would allow laws that mandated a standard of treatment

They would be more than happy to go back to the days of slavery where the slaves lived in squalor. Where they had laws mandating their return. There would be no laws requiring healthcare or decent treatment.

You point about .50 over minimum wage is well taken. They're doing this now and it's working out quite well for them. It's as close to slavery as they can get these days. The same conditions in many ways. People barely getting by working 12 and 14 hour days. All the wealth from that labor accumulating at the top. The people just don't realize the prospect of moving up is simply an illusion.

[misanthrope]

70. Full slavery is more expensive than peonage

and exploitation of desperate impoverished masses is cheaper still.

[ramen]

26. Ugh. What a dystopian nightmare. Sounds about right.. nt

[misanthrope]

69. Yep, that was part of the schism leading to Civil War

Northern industrialists had figured out it was far more economical to exploit the endless supply of immigrant labor than it was to spend money on slaves. That philosophy held sway throughout the Gilded Age until early 20th century reforms began to have an effect.

[LastDemocratInSC]

7. My republican cousin once said she wasn't sure women should have been given the right to vote.

I asked her if she votes. She replied that she does. I asked if she has her voter registration card in her purse. She replied that she does have it, with her driver's license, etc. I told her that if she gives me the voter registration card I will tear it up and put it in the trash for her. She declined my offer of help.

[Wounded Bear]

37. Conservatives always think that the bad stuff will happen to someone else...

Like you said, "Women shouldn't vote" usually means "Those women shouldn't vote."

It's like they never heard Niemoller's litany.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

[Dennis Donovan]

8. ...and Great Society.

They're trying to erase the last 90 years.

[Nature Man]

9. They've been doing this since Nixon

[safeinOhio]

11. Now we know

Who is John Galt.

[Farmer-Rick]

14. Capitalism is a form of slavery

That's how the filthy rich get away with paying slave wages to everybody except their buddies.

[AlexSFCA]

31. socialism is a form if slavery

and crony capitalism. Capitalism, market economy is a form of freedom.

[Wounded Bear]

38. Unbridled capitalism always devolves into fascism...nt

[AlexSFCA]

44. even worse with unbridled socialism

[Wednesdays]

61. "Unbridled socialism," like good roads? Better police security?

[Farmer-Rick]

51. Socialism is not slavery.

How is a Democratic workplace slavery?

[AlexSFCA]

53. democratic workplace?

what does that have to do with socialism???
Socialism is state means of productions, private enterprise either forbidden or can only be in a form of co-op. It is the fastest way to self-destruction. Now capitalism - market economy with social safety net, a form of freedom and prosperity.
Why socialism is a form of slavery? Because your job will be assigned to you when needed, everyone works for government. Competition is discouraged.

[Crunchy Frog]

54. You know that nobody these days advocates the Stalinist type economic system.

It's basically just a tool that RWers use to distract from the real issues facing our actual economy, and real discussions about how to deal with those issues.

(I know there are probably a few fringe extremists who do advocate it, but they are not part of any serious discussions.)

[Farmer-Rick]

74. No, socialism does Not require the State to own the means of production

It merely calls for the means of production be in control of the workers.

In Russian style communism, the State owns the means of production not the workers. That is probably what you are referring to. Russian communism is what the right wing propaganda wants you to think of when they say socialism. Of course they try to hide the fact the Russia and Putin were the Communist we fought in the cold war. You only get assigned jobs in communism not socialism.

But in both cases, it can be much more democratic in that in socialism the workers make the decisions that CEOs, board of directors and majority shareholders make. They get to decide everything that goes on in producing the profits that all workers share in. Now there are so many different types of Socialism so it is hard to describe them all. But I think, after reading Karl Marx, that is what he describes as socialism.

This is much more democratic then capitalism because workers get a say in what they do. In capitalism, you are underpaid to take orders from your boss. You get no say in where the profits go, you get no say on what processes you'll use to make a product or provide a service. You don't get anything more then the least amount of pay your boss can get away with paying you. And he would pay you even less if the state let him.

In Russian Communism, the state acts as the CEO, board of directors and major shareholders. The workers are more like minority shareholders and only get a perfunctory vote. At least after the mass murderer Stalin died and before Putin became the dictator, Russians had some amount of voting opportunity. And through that vote they got more workplace democracy then capitalism will ever provide.

[Ligyron]

15. "and their women would support them wholeheartedly."

As a male, this is the part that just blows my mind.

Repeatedly.

That and how many women voted for what they had to know was a sexual predator.

I just don't get it...

[HopeAgain]

16. That's why the party needs a hard left turn

The center keeps moving to the right.

[Delmette2.0]

18. I agree.

[rurallib]

20. Amen to that

remember that the ACA is based on a plan written by the Heritage Foundation.

[lark]

17. Women would NOT support him wholeheartedly.

There are plenty of us who totally hate and loathe the man and we would revolt, not be happy. Yes, there are some bobble headed idiots that were raised to be part of and praise the patriarchy and that their only worth in the world is gained through their husbands and those would support that. However, women as a whole do not support him, that's how we took back the House.

[PCIntern]

23. Your point is taken

But there are plenty of Phyllis Schlaflys out there.

[Maggiemayhem]

36. Women under 45 are Sanders supporters.

[lark]

43. Let's see what happens when more states get to vote.

Think we are in trouble if he's our nominee.

[Wounded Bear]

39. The OP explicitly said "their women"...

Unfortunately, there are many of them.

[lark]

42. My bad, it did say that but I missed it in my first pass. Sorry.

You are right, there are WAY WAY too many women who support Hair Furor, but there's many more of us who totally loathe him.

[Wounded Bear]

47. No harm, no foul. Just glad you're on our side...

[rurallib]

19. Social Security has been target #1 since 1935 when it passed

Once they change it into a means tested program they will have destroyed it.

[bullwinkle428]

21. RWers have not been the LEAST BIT SHY about taking away the right to vote

from women, ever since I've been perusing online forums (20+ years). Slavery is a little trickier subject to broach, even in the Chump era, but these assholes don't wave the Confederate flag simply over an effort to "reconnect with history".

[AllaN01Bear]

22. they ave been nibbleling at this for years .

[Moostache]

24. This why the current strife ends in one way only...

A second Shooting Civil War is on the horizon.

There is no compromise with these people, they are not interested in sharing power or carving out spaces in public where opposing beliefs can peacefully coexist.

They want a return of undisputed white male land owner supremacy, period.

Fuck them. This country is not going back in time, it will dissolve and they will be facing an actual war to establish their views. I predict that when the real shooting starts, their support is going to dry up to the 20-25% of hard core assholes and that the other 20% of tepid "followers" will abandon "THE CAUSE" once more.

The 'south' will not rise again, its founding ideals are dead and history is not kind to their predilections. It won't end any differently than the last time, but it will cost potentially millions of lives unnecessarily.

[Turin_C3PO]

29. There won't be a civil war.

Trump fans are cowards who would flee the first time they got shot at. Let’s not ascribe to them abilities and organization that they just don’t have.

[Moostache]

49. I really hope you are right and I am wrong...

But, when reasoned debate and compromise have been taken off the table by one side and not the other, that leaves capitulation or armed conflict as the solutions...we can't very well have sanctions against citizens inside a broken union, so there WILL be a fight, the hope would be that the fight can be contained to negotiated dissolution and partition instead of all out war again...

The status quo is building towards an unacceptable place - outright tyranny and monarchy. The recent attacks on the rule of law by the Trump administration and his sycophantic clown circus makes it more likely, not less IMO...

[MiniMe]

59. They'll all have bone spurs

[misanthrope]

71. There won't be another Civil War

Americans are more complacent, not as physically hardened as their ancestors. As a whole, we're completely hypnotized by mass media and the distractions of entertainment. People are more malleable than they've ever been.

[PatrickforO]

25. The dismantling of the New Deal began in earnest in 1947 with the passage of

the Taft-Hartley Act.

And that's the thing. These oligarchs are patient. They have plenty of money and so that attack on a thousand different fronts, every day, every week, every month. They are relentless.

Racial division.
White supremacy.
Radical individualism.
Massive tax cuts.
Constant on-air attacks.
Demonizing liberals.
Guns to defend against government.

And now, this is what we have. We let it happen. We didn't challenge it strongly enough. We became apathetic and many of us stopped voting. We let bible-thumpers rewrite our school curricula and textbooks. We allowed entertainment on television to become disgustingly lowbrow. We didn't shout these hypocrites down and insist in real decency and real tolerance.

Most Americans are dumb asses when it comes to our government, and unfortunately we have the government they deserve.

[PCIntern]

30. Yes in entirety

Especially the last paragraph.

[burrowowl]

57. Sadly you hit the nail on the head!

[Sloumeau]

27. Yeah, I think at least several of them have said something to the effect of...

"The Pharaohs were posers!"

[dalton99a]

28. There can be no doubt. There is truly no depth to their dishonesty, greed and depravity.

[muntrv]

33. How many Trumpanzees are receiving Social Security and

Medicare?

[B Stieg]

34. Yup. It's a variation on the Jude Wanniski playbook!

"First, when Republicans control the federal government, and particularly the White House, spend money like a drunken sailor and run up the US debt as far and as fast as possible. This produces three results – it stimulates the economy thus making people think that the GOP can produce a good economy, it raises the debt dramatically, and it makes people think that Republicans are the 'tax-cut Santa Claus.'”

Now, they've got enough power to kill Santa Claus, not just outdo him.

[CrispyQ]

46. That so many people don't see this is boggling.

Then again, maybe not.

"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
~Karl Rove

Since the 80s the GOP has been focused on filling positions in boards of education across the country. They've had a well thought out strategy and have been playing a decades long game.

[CrispyQ]

45. This is why they demonize socialism.

My BIL is lost to the cult. He doesn't understand the difference between a social safety net and socialism, even as he collects SS/medicare. He's so fucking ignorant its embarrassing. He will vote repub, even as they take his SS/medicare away.

[drmeow]

48. of course they are

It's been their goal for 80 years.

[Fresh_Start]

50. worst then that, they are dismantling the Constitution nt

nt

[Blue_Tires]

52. Don't look at me, I spent all of 2015-16 trying to warn folks

I *knew* exactly what we were in for...

[Mike Niendorff]

55. I've been saying this for more than 20 years.

People kept saying that Republicans wanted to return us to the 1950's.

**NO**

They're going WAY further back than that.

Think 1910.

Or earlier.


MDN

[lpbk2713]

58. Sixteen hour work days for ten year old kids.

They would take all labor laws off the books and totally do away with OSHA.

[alarimer]

60. Yes and they have only been able to because a lot of Democrats abandoned it in the 80s and 90s.

Even being open to cutting SS or Medicare is enough to drive a wedge into it, like Obama's Deficit Commission.

I mean, we laughed at Al Gore and his SS lockbox, but it was right to commit to saving it.

[budkin]

63. Trump supporting women would definitely support losing their right to vote

As long as he decided that's what he wanted to do.

[BigmanPigman]

64. Yes, I heard someone say that they have been trying

to undo it since it went into effect over 75 years ago. The GOP is evil through and through and they NEVER CHANGE! They will be at it for another 75 years. I hate Repubs!

[tclambert]

65. They want to bring back the good ol' days of Herbert Hoover.

Laissez faire economics, segregation, no minimum wage, and no social security. What could be better?

[C Moon]

67. Years & years ago, I used to say that the Republican wet dream is to have the industrial revolution

years back. Or at least the class situation from that period.
And that is indeed what they seem to be doing.

[blue-wave]

72. Yeah, they've been working real hard

on this for at least oh, I'd say the last 45 years.

"if they could reinstitute slavery and remove the right to vote for women they would"


They want a society of slaves/serfs and the 1% who rule over them. I believe it will be worse, much worse than medieval Europe or any slavery we know about. I truly fear for the future of today's young people.

[Progressive dog]

73. They are unified in their hate of America.

No democracy can survive without equal rights and the rule of law.