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olegramps

(8,200 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:21 AM Feb 2020

How many Democrats believe that if Sanders is the nominee Trump will be reelected.

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by USALiberal (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Will the charge that he is a Socialist be a factor that could tip the election along with his Medicare for All that many believe could be unreasonably cost prohibitive.

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How many Democrats believe that if Sanders is the nominee Trump will be reelected. (Original Post) olegramps Feb 2020 OP
Sadly I believe that to be the case Prue Feb 2020 #1
I do. Laurian Feb 2020 #2
Roughly the same number who believed that a Trump nomination meant Clinton would be elected FBaggins Feb 2020 #3
I'm ok with Sanders Cartoonist Feb 2020 #4
Me. Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #5
Trump will beat Sanders. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #6
I do. Kingofalldems Feb 2020 #7
the problem would be in battleground states and the basic fact that the "young supporters" beachbumbob Feb 2020 #8
+1 dalton99a Feb 2020 #51
I'm in the UK and see parallels to Corbyn. tman Feb 2020 #9
U.K. guy pamdb Feb 2020 #23
I do. Squinch Feb 2020 #10
I do! True Blue American Feb 2020 #12
No avlbeerfan Feb 2020 #11
I am tired of anger and rage. True Blue American Feb 2020 #13
Trump will win no matter who runs Coleman Feb 2020 #14
Good Lord. What's the point in voting then, right? bearsfootball516 Feb 2020 #17
No. Don't buy into this. Stay positive. n/t MoMof6 Feb 2020 #42
no we have a very good chance if we dont blow it..as with any election...our nominee has to be made samnsara Feb 2020 #61
Sanders will not get the nomination katmondoo Feb 2020 #15
Yes. Both times when Trump has run. apcalc Feb 2020 #29
Interesting coincidence I've had similar thoughts.... Dream Girl Feb 2020 #59
Bernie would be a disaster. Four more years of Trump. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #16
Bernie praising communism isnt going to help Fullduplexxx Feb 2020 #18
Me. sinkingfeeling Feb 2020 #19
Me. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #20
Why not look at polling ? Apollo Zeus Feb 2020 #21
Sanders pamdb Feb 2020 #22
Sanders has his quote from years back NewJeffCT Feb 2020 #25
Me. (nt) Paladin Feb 2020 #24
I do MaryMagdaline Feb 2020 #26
My speculation is philf99 Feb 2020 #27
likely scenario Cosmocat Feb 2020 #43
I suspect many moderates feel that way because they hate Bernie's policies more than they hate 45. LonePirate Feb 2020 #28
wrong forum blogslut Feb 2020 #30
If you are in a Super Tuesday state or in SC,it is up to you mainstreetonce Feb 2020 #31
If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 4t+ states Gothmog Feb 2020 #32
In before the lock. (I've always wanted to say that.) nt Buns_of_Fire Feb 2020 #33
I love Bernie's policies. I hate his hires and mean spirited supporters. Beakybird Feb 2020 #34
This household of 11 all believe Sanders is not a winning proposition wiley Feb 2020 #35
Me. jrthin Feb 2020 #36
I think Sanders loses but i see a path for him actually. MontanaFarmer Feb 2020 #37
Would love to think Sanders will win GE and help downticket Dems, but I don't. Hoyt Feb 2020 #38
If he is the nominee nobuddy Feb 2020 #39
It depends on how many Democrats will choose Trump over Sanders. kentuck Feb 2020 #40
I will vote for whoever is our candidate. tavernier Feb 2020 #41
YEP Cosmocat Feb 2020 #45
K & R Nevermypresident Feb 2020 #49
Likewise Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2020 #46
It's a reasonable possibility Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2020 #44
+1. Republicans love Bernie. dalton99a Feb 2020 #50
I do. muntrv Feb 2020 #47
wrong forum Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #48
we would be wise handmade34 Feb 2020 #52
I do RandySF Feb 2020 #53
me..i believe it 100% samnsara Feb 2020 #54
I do n/t DonaldsRump Feb 2020 #55
Take this crap to the primaries forum jcgoldie Feb 2020 #56
Yes Evergreen Emerald Feb 2020 #57
I am cynical enough to believe that the fix is already in for Drumpf, regardless of our nominee. GreenPartyVoter Feb 2020 #58
Yep. Not a doubt in my mind. COLGATE4 Feb 2020 #60
No doubt in my mind berksdem Feb 2020 #62
Sanders would lose. America isn't going to elect a Socialist redstateblues Feb 2020 #63
He will be playing defense all the way into the ground... PAMod Feb 2020 #64
Trump wants Bernie. He defends Bernie. That tells you all that you need to know. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #65
Trump's a fucking idiot jcgoldie Feb 2020 #67
Trump knows Bernie doesn't have a chance. Even an idiot knows that America doesn't elect Socialists. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #71
All members of my family and me. wisteria Feb 2020 #66
NO DOUBT - the Idiot w get a 2nd term if BS is the nominee onetexan Feb 2020 #68
I find the thoughts of those who posted to be troubling at best. olegramps Feb 2020 #69
It is a concern...but I'll vote for him if it comes to it... Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #70
I'm a Blue No Matter Who Raftergirl Feb 2020 #72
This is wrong forum! Nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #73
Locking, please post in Primary Forum! Nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #74

Prue

(139 posts)
1. Sadly I believe that to be the case
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:25 AM
Feb 2020

Trump created a race war and Bernie is creating a generational war.

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
2. I do.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:26 AM
Feb 2020

FBaggins

(28,706 posts)
3. Roughly the same number who believed that a Trump nomination meant Clinton would be elected
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:27 AM
Feb 2020

I include myself in both camps... and hope that I'm just as wrong this time around.

Cartoonist

(7,579 posts)
4. I'm ok with Sanders
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:29 AM
Feb 2020

It's Biden I fear as our weakest candidate. I like Joe as a person, but not as a leader.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
5. Me.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:29 AM
Feb 2020

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
6. Trump will beat Sanders.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:32 AM
Feb 2020

Kingofalldems

(40,278 posts)
7. I do.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:33 AM
Feb 2020
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
8. the problem would be in battleground states and the basic fact that the "young supporters"
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:34 AM
Feb 2020

of sanders do not vote in same percentage as older voters, they never have and most likely never will. So the question would be what is the appeal to to over50/55 crowd to support and get out to vote for sanders in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, ? States that determine who is elected. Then the the down ballot question if older voters who are not enthused with sanders, will that cost the democrats the House and make winning the Senate impossible?

We do have a problem and why GOP is pushing and hoping for Sanders to be the nominee

dalton99a

(94,119 posts)
51. +1
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:13 AM
Feb 2020

tman

(1,252 posts)
9. I'm in the UK and see parallels to Corbyn.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:35 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie brings alot of young voters, but the one's he isolates may be a net negative or neutral at best. I also believe his VP pick will be the most important and scrutinized in election history (for obvious reasons). This matters because he's likely to go with a radical pick (fellow socialist) that furthers isolates most voters.

I feel African American and Hispanic turnout won't be overwhelming should he be the nominee.

pamdb

(1,439 posts)
23. U.K. guy
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:17 AM
Feb 2020

Don’t count on young people and college students. Election falls right around mid terms and papers due. My husband teaches history at a community college. He’s not real impressed or confident in today’s students.

P.S. it’s been awhile, but always loved the UK. Gotta get back.

Squinch

(59,522 posts)
10. I do.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:36 AM
Feb 2020

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
12. I do!
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:38 AM
Feb 2020
 

avlbeerfan

(52 posts)
11. No
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:37 AM
Feb 2020

I think the Bern is the one. People at large are tired of the 1% getting it al.l

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
13. I am tired of anger and rage.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:39 AM
Feb 2020

Coleman

(949 posts)
14. Trump will win no matter who runs
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:41 AM
Feb 2020

Voter suppression
Russian hacking
Facebook
Electoral College
State legislators choosing the electors
Voter intimidation
Republican poll watchers
Armed poll watchers

bearsfootball516

(6,713 posts)
17. Good Lord. What's the point in voting then, right?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:51 AM
Feb 2020
 

MoMof6

(16 posts)
42. No. Don't buy into this. Stay positive. n/t
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:55 AM
Feb 2020

samnsara

(18,767 posts)
61. no we have a very good chance if we dont blow it..as with any election...our nominee has to be made
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:25 AM
Feb 2020

..surgical precision. Our state has all mail in ballots so no armed poll watchers here..or voter intimidation.. we have NO POLLS to vote at. Stay off FB..its a data collector. We are smarter this election than 4 years ago and look what we did 2 years ago! Russian hacking would have thwarted that..knowing damn good and well it would probably lead to impeachment. I'm confident if we stay the course and not get distracted by shiny things or pie in the sky promises we can prevail and win this race...and the Senate but we have to make informed, mature, researched and well thought out choices.

katmondoo

(6,524 posts)
15. Sanders will not get the nomination
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:45 AM
Feb 2020

I am tired of his angry face and I do not trust his ideas. Where was he when Ted Kennedy was fighting for us. I never heard of him until Clinton ran for President in 2016.

apcalc

(4,528 posts)
29. Yes. Both times when Trump has run.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:31 AM
Feb 2020
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
59. Interesting coincidence I've had similar thoughts....
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:22 AM
Feb 2020

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
16. Bernie would be a disaster. Four more years of Trump.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:47 AM
Feb 2020

Fullduplexxx

(8,626 posts)
18. Bernie praising communism isnt going to help
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:56 AM
Feb 2020

sinkingfeeling

(57,835 posts)
19. Me.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:00 AM
Feb 2020

greatauntoftriplets

(179,005 posts)
20. Me.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:01 AM
Feb 2020

Apollo Zeus

(251 posts)
21. Why not look at polling ?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:07 AM
Feb 2020

Sanders beats Trump just as many other potential nominees do:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/

pamdb

(1,439 posts)
22. Sanders
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:13 AM
Feb 2020

If he is nominated, he will go from a democratic socialist to a full blown “commie” by trump. He hasn’t provided much on his Medicare for all as far as what it would cost except to say it will raise taxes on the middle class. We will lose. Don’t count on college students to come out in waves, not gonna happen. We will lose the suburban women we got back in 2018. I don’t mind the idea of Bernie BEING president, I just don’t think he can get elected. And of course I’ll vote for whomever the nominee is.

NewJeffCT

(56,848 posts)
25. Sanders has his quote from years back
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:25 AM
Feb 2020

saying that universal healthcare would bankrupt America. That will be played OVER and OVER on YouTube, Facebook as well as on Limbaugh, Fox News and elsewhere.

And, don't forget that Sinclair Broadcasting will mandate the local anchors attack Sanders as well to follow suit.

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
24. Me. (nt)
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:20 AM
Feb 2020

MaryMagdaline

(7,964 posts)
26. I do
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:29 AM
Feb 2020

philf99

(274 posts)
27. My speculation is
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:30 AM
Feb 2020

Sanders will lose badly and Democrats down ballot will get slaughtered. We need to keep the house and almost as important take over control of the US Senate.

Cosmocat

(15,424 posts)
43. likely scenario
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:57 AM
Feb 2020

If he is the candidate his "base" had better GD well somehow overwhelm the zombie base ... only outside shot.

LonePirate

(14,367 posts)
28. I suspect many moderates feel that way because they hate Bernie's policies more than they hate 45.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:30 AM
Feb 2020

blogslut

(39,167 posts)
30. wrong forum
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:32 AM
Feb 2020

mainstreetonce

(4,178 posts)
31. If you are in a Super Tuesday state or in SC,it is up to you
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:34 AM
Feb 2020

We have to have huge turnout for,an electable candidate.
The party had it right before it all started and Joe was the front-runner.

Gothmog

(179,869 posts)
32. If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 4t+ states
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:34 AM
Feb 2020

We will also lose down ballot races and have a speaker Kevin McCarthy

Buns_of_Fire

(19,161 posts)
33. In before the lock. (I've always wanted to say that.) nt
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:34 AM
Feb 2020

Beakybird

(3,397 posts)
34. I love Bernie's policies. I hate his hires and mean spirited supporters.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:35 AM
Feb 2020

I think he would lose to Trump, but if something volatile happens to the economy or national security, anything's possible.

wiley

(2,921 posts)
35. This household of 11 all believe Sanders is not a winning proposition
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:39 AM
Feb 2020

And that his loss and the possible loss of both the House and Senate will set back civil rights, women’s rights, reproductive rights, immigrants rights, lgbtq+ rights, workers right and our fight against climate change a hundred years.

jrthin

(5,225 posts)
36. Me.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:40 AM
Feb 2020

MontanaFarmer

(761 posts)
37. I think Sanders loses but i see a path for him actually.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:42 AM
Feb 2020

He's a disaster in the Senate races. Our pickup opportunities are largely in the sun belt where i think his candidacy plays terribly. I'm not convinced Bernie wouldn't actually run pretty strongly in the rust belt but he would get crushed in places like NC, Georgia, Arizona, Texas etc. Just one man's opinion.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
38. Would love to think Sanders will win GE and help downticket Dems, but I don't.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:42 AM
Feb 2020
 

nobuddy

(215 posts)
39. If he is the nominee
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:43 AM
Feb 2020

and all the haters in here pout or go full puma then he could have some problems.

No one is getting a free ride this election. It's a sitting President and that's incredibly hard to knock out.

But have at it with the anecdotes trumps polling evidence hot takes.

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
40. It depends on how many Democrats will choose Trump over Sanders.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:45 AM
Feb 2020

They have a misguided notion about how the President passes "socialist" legislation in our system of government. They do not seem to realize that the biggest socialist in the world would have to pass his agenda thru the Congress.

In reality, "Socialist" is nothing but a label, unless the people agree with it.

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
41. I will vote for whoever is our candidate.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:47 AM
Feb 2020

But no, the non dem voters in this country won’t vote for Bernie. If he is the candidate, many will just stay home.

Cosmocat

(15,424 posts)
45. YEP
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:59 AM
Feb 2020

There is a reason the Rs REALLY, REALLY want him to be our nominee.

Nevermypresident

(781 posts)
49. K & R
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:08 AM
Feb 2020

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,713 posts)
46. Likewise
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:00 AM
Feb 2020

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,713 posts)
44. It's a reasonable possibility
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:59 AM
Feb 2020

I fear much of Sanders' success in the primaries is from Republicans crossing over.

dalton99a

(94,119 posts)
50. +1. Republicans love Bernie.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:12 AM
Feb 2020

He's their ticket to the Trump Dynasty and perpetual white minority rule


muntrv

(14,505 posts)
47. I do.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:05 AM
Feb 2020

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
48. wrong forum
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:07 AM
Feb 2020

handmade34

(24,017 posts)
52. we would be wise
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:14 AM
Feb 2020

to listen to Nicole Wallace

RandySF

(84,284 posts)
53. I do
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:17 AM
Feb 2020

And we lose the House.

samnsara

(18,767 posts)
54. me..i believe it 100%
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:18 AM
Feb 2020

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
55. I do n/t
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:18 AM
Feb 2020

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
56. Take this crap to the primaries forum
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:18 AM
Feb 2020

Its a nonsense attack in the first place to try to contend that the strongest candidate Democrats could elect would be a general election liability. Pure speculation inviting cheap shots.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,096 posts)
57. Yes
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:19 AM
Feb 2020

GreenPartyVoter

(73,393 posts)
58. I am cynical enough to believe that the fix is already in for Drumpf, regardless of our nominee.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:21 AM
Feb 2020

I’m still voting in the hopes that down ticket races are less likely to be rigged and that I will have a small impact there. I also hope somehow Drumpf finds out just how many votes were actually cast against him before they declared him the winner, and that it grinds him for the rest of his days. (And as an aside, are ogres usually shorter or longer lived than humans?)

COLGATE4

(14,886 posts)
60. Yep. Not a doubt in my mind.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:25 AM
Feb 2020

berksdem

(921 posts)
62. No doubt in my mind
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:26 AM
Feb 2020

that Trump will win if BS is the candidate.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
63. Sanders would lose. America isn't going to elect a Socialist
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:26 AM
Feb 2020

PAMod

(944 posts)
64. He will be playing defense all the way into the ground...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:26 AM
Feb 2020

...taking the Senate, and maybe even the House with him.

It’s electoral malpractice if we do it.

The word “progressive” will become a sneering pejorative, the way “liberal” was after McGovern.

PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
65. Trump wants Bernie. He defends Bernie. That tells you all that you need to know.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:27 AM
Feb 2020

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
67. Trump's a fucking idiot
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:28 AM
Feb 2020

Why does any Democrat give a shit who Trump wants to run against?

PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
71. Trump knows Bernie doesn't have a chance. Even an idiot knows that America doesn't elect Socialists.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:32 AM
Feb 2020
 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
66. All members of my family and me.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:28 AM
Feb 2020

Total-25

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
68. NO DOUBT - the Idiot w get a 2nd term if BS is the nominee
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:30 AM
Feb 2020

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
69. I find the thoughts of those who posted to be troubling at best.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:31 AM
Feb 2020

I would venture to say that the people who post on this board tend to be more on the liberal side which seems at variance with the results that most who commented they believe that Sanders would lose the election to Trump. I would like to point out that I believe that Sanders is also vulnerable in that his views on tariffs and the trade agreements were in agreement with Trump's. I can imagine how Trump could take advantage of his views as being in alignment with his.

The only issue that I see that is out standing is his Medicare for All and that has far less than universal enthusiastic support. It also appears to me that last nights debate was not beneficial and detracted from the most important issue. That is the Republican's determination to establish a authoritarian presidency. For me this issue takes precedence. The very existence of our Democratic Republic is at stake. I don't find it very reassuring to watch what some have classified as a food fight rather than an a mature discussion of the critical issues.

Wounded Bear

(64,324 posts)
70. It is a concern...but I'll vote for him if it comes to it...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:31 AM
Feb 2020

Raftergirl

(1,856 posts)
72. I'm a Blue No Matter Who
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:32 AM
Feb 2020

but think Bernie will lose.

The youth vote never pans out like everyone thinks it will. I’ve been hearing that crap for the 45 years I’ve been voting in elections.

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
73. This is wrong forum! Nt
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:35 AM
Feb 2020

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
74. Locking, please post in Primary Forum! Nt
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:39 AM
Feb 2020
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