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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow many Democrats believe that if Sanders is the nominee Trump will be reelected.
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Will the charge that he is a Socialist be a factor that could tip the election along with his Medicare for All that many believe could be unreasonably cost prohibitive.
Prue
(139 posts)Trump created a race war and Bernie is creating a generational war.
FBaggins
(28,706 posts)I include myself in both camps... and hope that I'm just as wrong this time around.
Cartoonist
(7,579 posts)It's Biden I fear as our weakest candidate. I like Joe as a person, but not as a leader.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)of sanders do not vote in same percentage as older voters, they never have and most likely never will. So the question would be what is the appeal to to over50/55 crowd to support and get out to vote for sanders in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, ? States that determine who is elected. Then the the down ballot question if older voters who are not enthused with sanders, will that cost the democrats the House and make winning the Senate impossible?
We do have a problem and why GOP is pushing and hoping for Sanders to be the nominee
tman
(1,252 posts)Bernie brings alot of young voters, but the one's he isolates may be a net negative or neutral at best. I also believe his VP pick will be the most important and scrutinized in election history (for obvious reasons). This matters because he's likely to go with a radical pick (fellow socialist) that furthers isolates most voters.
I feel African American and Hispanic turnout won't be overwhelming should he be the nominee.
Dont count on young people and college students. Election falls right around mid terms and papers due. My husband teaches history at a community college. Hes not real impressed or confident in todays students.
P.S. its been awhile, but always loved the UK. Gotta get back.
I think the Bern is the one. People at large are tired of the 1% getting it al.l
True Blue American
(18,579 posts)Coleman
(949 posts)Voter suppression
Russian hacking
Facebook
Electoral College
State legislators choosing the electors
Voter intimidation
Republican poll watchers
Armed poll watchers
bearsfootball516
(6,713 posts)MoMof6
(16 posts)samnsara
(18,767 posts)..surgical precision. Our state has all mail in ballots so no armed poll watchers here..or voter intimidation.. we have NO POLLS to vote at. Stay off FB..its a data collector. We are smarter this election than 4 years ago and look what we did 2 years ago! Russian hacking would have thwarted that..knowing damn good and well it would probably lead to impeachment. I'm confident if we stay the course and not get distracted by shiny things or pie in the sky promises we can prevail and win this race...and the Senate but we have to make informed, mature, researched and well thought out choices.
katmondoo
(6,524 posts)I am tired of his angry face and I do not trust his ideas. Where was he when Ted Kennedy was fighting for us. I never heard of him until Clinton ran for President in 2016.
apcalc
(4,528 posts)Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,533 posts)Fullduplexxx
(8,626 posts)Apollo Zeus
(251 posts)Sanders beats Trump just as many other potential nominees do:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/
pamdb
(1,439 posts)If he is nominated, he will go from a democratic socialist to a full blown commie by trump. He hasnt provided much on his Medicare for all as far as what it would cost except to say it will raise taxes on the middle class. We will lose. Dont count on college students to come out in waves, not gonna happen. We will lose the suburban women we got back in 2018. I dont mind the idea of Bernie BEING president, I just dont think he can get elected. And of course Ill vote for whomever the nominee is.
NewJeffCT
(56,848 posts)saying that universal healthcare would bankrupt America. That will be played OVER and OVER on YouTube, Facebook as well as on Limbaugh, Fox News and elsewhere.
And, don't forget that Sinclair Broadcasting will mandate the local anchors attack Sanders as well to follow suit.
philf99
(274 posts)Sanders will lose badly and Democrats down ballot will get slaughtered. We need to keep the house and almost as important take over control of the US Senate.
Cosmocat
(15,424 posts)If he is the candidate his "base" had better GD well somehow overwhelm the zombie base ... only outside shot.
LonePirate
(14,367 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)We have to have huge turnout for,an electable candidate.
The party had it right before it all started and Joe was the front-runner.
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)We will also lose down ballot races and have a speaker Kevin McCarthy
Buns_of_Fire
(19,161 posts)Beakybird
(3,397 posts)I think he would lose to Trump, but if something volatile happens to the economy or national security, anything's possible.
wiley
(2,921 posts)And that his loss and the possible loss of both the House and Senate will set back civil rights, womens rights, reproductive rights, immigrants rights, lgbtq+ rights, workers right and our fight against climate change a hundred years.
MontanaFarmer
(761 posts)He's a disaster in the Senate races. Our pickup opportunities are largely in the sun belt where i think his candidacy plays terribly. I'm not convinced Bernie wouldn't actually run pretty strongly in the rust belt but he would get crushed in places like NC, Georgia, Arizona, Texas etc. Just one man's opinion.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)nobuddy
(215 posts)and all the haters in here pout or go full puma then he could have some problems.
No one is getting a free ride this election. It's a sitting President and that's incredibly hard to knock out.
But have at it with the anecdotes trumps polling evidence hot takes.
kentuck
(115,406 posts)They have a misguided notion about how the President passes "socialist" legislation in our system of government. They do not seem to realize that the biggest socialist in the world would have to pass his agenda thru the Congress.
In reality, "Socialist" is nothing but a label, unless the people agree with it.
tavernier
(14,443 posts)But no, the non dem voters in this country wont vote for Bernie. If he is the candidate, many will just stay home.
There is a reason the Rs REALLY, REALLY want him to be our nominee.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,713 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,713 posts)I fear much of Sanders' success in the primaries is from Republicans crossing over.
dalton99a
(94,119 posts)He's their ticket to the Trump Dynasty and perpetual white minority rule
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)handmade34
(24,017 posts)to listen to Nicole Wallace
RandySF
(84,284 posts)And we lose the House.
samnsara
(18,767 posts)jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Its a nonsense attack in the first place to try to contend that the strongest candidate Democrats could elect would be a general election liability. Pure speculation inviting cheap shots.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,393 posts)Im still voting in the hopes that down ticket races are less likely to be rigged and that I will have a small impact there. I also hope somehow Drumpf finds out just how many votes were actually cast against him before they declared him the winner, and that it grinds him for the rest of his days. (And as an aside, are ogres usually shorter or longer lived than humans?)
COLGATE4
(14,886 posts)berksdem
(921 posts)that Trump will win if BS is the candidate.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)PAMod
(944 posts)...taking the Senate, and maybe even the House with him.
Its electoral malpractice if we do it.
The word progressive will become a sneering pejorative, the way liberal was after McGovern.
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Why does any Democrat give a shit who Trump wants to run against?
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)wisteria
(19,581 posts)Total-25
onetexan
(13,913 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)I would venture to say that the people who post on this board tend to be more on the liberal side which seems at variance with the results that most who commented they believe that Sanders would lose the election to Trump. I would like to point out that I believe that Sanders is also vulnerable in that his views on tariffs and the trade agreements were in agreement with Trump's. I can imagine how Trump could take advantage of his views as being in alignment with his.
The only issue that I see that is out standing is his Medicare for All and that has far less than universal enthusiastic support. It also appears to me that last nights debate was not beneficial and detracted from the most important issue. That is the Republican's determination to establish a authoritarian presidency. For me this issue takes precedence. The very existence of our Democratic Republic is at stake. I don't find it very reassuring to watch what some have classified as a food fight rather than an a mature discussion of the critical issues.
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)Raftergirl
(1,856 posts)but think Bernie will lose.
The youth vote never pans out like everyone thinks it will. Ive been hearing that crap for the 45 years Ive been voting in elections.