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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:40 AM Feb 2020

Sally Yates: "This is a screaming red siren, but in the daily barrage of crazy, can we hear it?"



Sally Yates ✔@SallyQYates

This is a screaming red siren, but in the daily barrage of crazy, can we hear it?Trump is not only trying to rewrite history of Russia’s intervention in 2016, he is now using the power of the presidency to conceal their 2020 scheme to re-elect him. Dangerous!

Ken Dilanian ✔@KenDilanianNBC

"“ODNI is nearing a meltdown." Trump angry after House briefed on Russia meddling in 2020 election on his behalf https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-anger-cost-joseph-maguire-job-director-national-intelligence-n1140086 … via @nbcnews


8:12 AM - Feb 21, 2020


A reminder: There is only one mechanism *left* to remove the POTUS - the 25th Amerndment:

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office


In other words... we're fucked.
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Sally Yates: "This is a screaming red siren, but in the daily barrage of crazy, can we hear it?" (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 OP
She nailed it malaise Feb 2020 #1
K&R Docreed2003 Feb 2020 #2
Yup. 2naSalit Feb 2020 #6
Did it come up during debate? Didn't hear the whole thing Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #7
Anyone who believes that Russia did NOT interfere in 2016 for tRump... TruckFump Feb 2020 #3
Incredibly dangerous... Hugin Feb 2020 #4
She's right! 2naSalit Feb 2020 #5
And that scheme involves selecting a weak Democrat to run against Trump!! bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #8
"And that scheme involves selecting a weak Democrat to run against Trump" Botany Feb 2020 #11
Salute! bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #12
+1 MontanaMama Feb 2020 #19
The Trump campaign has built a billion dollar "death star" for disinformation and you ... Botany Feb 2020 #30
Honestly Nikki28 Feb 2020 #18
Yes of course you must vote in the general election n November bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #22
"...except James Comey..." BigmanPigman Feb 2020 #27
Yes. DEFINITELY except James Comey. calimary Feb 2020 #42
Impeach him again! world wide wally Feb 2020 #9
I'm there Lulu KC Feb 2020 #29
This is my worst fear realized. Zoonart Feb 2020 #10
Wake up America! oasis Feb 2020 #13
Trump is a terrorist! RussBLib Feb 2020 #14
the cabinet is full of Trump toadies NewJeffCT Feb 2020 #15
Yep Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #17
This is scary samplegirl Feb 2020 #20
The Republicans will give ignoring this the good old 'college try.' PatrickforO Feb 2020 #16
This is plain and simple TREASON, why are people not calling it? Perseus Feb 2020 #21
I wish she would run for the senate! Nt ecstatic Feb 2020 #23
2 statements that I completely enjoyed hearing in the NBC newscast ... aggiesal Feb 2020 #24
"Scheme" is much better than "meddling" pandr32 Feb 2020 #25
And - they are JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #26
Kick dalton99a Feb 2020 #28
When you repeatedly say that wnylib Feb 2020 #31
We Are Up Against It colsohlibgal Feb 2020 #32
I'm thinking about what to do, and I only have questions Mersky Feb 2020 #33
A prolonged and severe rise in gasoline prices, klook Feb 2020 #39
Gah, that's scary stuff Mersky Feb 2020 #40
Remember that tRumpists are outnumbered Mersky Feb 2020 #34
Well the Republican Convention could remove him Captain Zero Feb 2020 #35
Knr x a million voteearlyvoteoften Feb 2020 #36
We need leaders who don't stay silent on or hide news of Russia interfering with ehrnst Feb 2020 #37
trump is acquitted . . . . Haggis for Breakfast Feb 2020 #38
Trump is not for the USA. Trump is for Trump UCmeNdc Feb 2020 #41
knr triron Feb 2020 #43

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
3. Anyone who believes that Russia did NOT interfere in 2016 for tRump...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:53 AM
Feb 2020

...I've gotta bridge.

Anyone who believes that Russia is NOT going to interfere in 2020 for tRump...

...buy the bridge from the prior idiot.

Hugin

(33,135 posts)
4. Incredibly dangerous...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:54 AM
Feb 2020

But, alas, the spineless GOP Senate led by Moscow Mitch has declared that Tangerine Idi Amin can do pretty much anything he wants to get re-elected if he believes it's in the best interests of the US... Which, inevitably, he does.

In doing so, they moved from "Slippery Slope" to "Buttered Frozen Waterfall" with the non-stroke of a pen.

I am looking forward to the full support of the GOP Senate and Trump's Personal Lawyer and Former AG Billy Barr to continue this precedent for a future Democratic President. In fact, I would hope a future Democratic President keeps Billy Barr on as AG to position him to continue his work or resign. His choice.

2naSalit

(86,579 posts)
5. She's right!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:56 AM
Feb 2020

It's definitely CODE:RED. We need to take action, us, the public. Our representatives can only do so much and they are reaching the last tools in the bag... which leaves it to We the People. We have to force action upon them, all of us together, all at once. I don't know if we're going to actually save our own butts or not or what it will take to do so effectively. The options that come to mind for immediate action aren't pretty but may be what it takes.

We are being subtly and not so subtly told that we need to act, now. It's the only legal way that these officials can warn us that WE need to do something because they are doing all they can within their parameters of power that we assigned them and they need us to back them up, now. We are numerous and we need to do something, we can't sit back and hope our representatives to do it all for us, that's not how it's supposed to work. This is about survival now.

I don't have the answers but I hope we coalesce around something fast. I know the weather and flooding are problems in some places but getting out in the streets is a good start.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
8. And that scheme involves selecting a weak Democrat to run against Trump!!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:04 AM
Feb 2020

The polls are lies! Skewed by GOP trolls and bots. American democracy is on the line in this election! Dictators are supporting one another against democratic freedom for the people!

Botany

(70,501 posts)
11. "And that scheme involves selecting a weak Democrat to run against Trump"
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:09 AM
Feb 2020

Say hello Bernie Sanders.

And now can their be any doubt that Russian bots attacked Sen. Harris before
she had to withdraw from the Presidential election.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
12. Salute!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:11 AM
Feb 2020

But now the scheme is clear and the game is on! We have the antidote and an entire primary season to tell the people!

Botany

(70,501 posts)
30. The Trump campaign has built a billion dollar "death star" for disinformation and you ...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:11 PM
Feb 2020

... can count on the fact that the Russians will help out in that. Just like in 2016 when
the sold the meme that "Bernie got shafted out of the nomination by crooked corporate
democrats." And so you Bernie bros should stay home and or vote for Jill Stein.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/

Nikki28

(557 posts)
18. Honestly
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:12 AM
Feb 2020

So much this. This is why I no longer believe in polls. I will wait for the G.E. I have a question. I had cancer some years ago and had chemo,;so please forgive my ignorance. The chemo I took damaged good and bad brain cells and it causes me to forget a lot.I am only 59 years old. My question is this.I voted in the primary right. Do I still need to vote in the GE come November? I also hope Sally Yates were running for something because I sure will vote for her in a hot minute.I would hope when a Dem get the three branches of government back that they they hire all who Dump fired,except James Comey, and those who resigned because of him, starting with Sally.Sally could go back to her job and Adam Shiff can be the top dog in the IC and Kamala Harris AG. I am so glad this board exist and has a spell check. That helps me out so much.So Thank you.

Zoonart

(11,860 posts)
10. This is my worst fear realized.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:09 AM
Feb 2020

The coup took place in 2016. We are just now witnessing the completion of the take over of our government.

RussBLib

(9,008 posts)
14. Trump is a terrorist!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:22 AM
Feb 2020

It just dawned on me. He "rules" by fear. And that's what terrorists want. Rampant fear.

Ok, so I'm slow, but maybe we should begin calling him a terrorist.

samplegirl

(11,476 posts)
20. This is scary
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:15 AM
Feb 2020

I don’t understand why this does not wake up every person reading and seeing this stuff on the news.
He can’t use his fake news meme any longer!

PatrickforO

(14,572 posts)
16. The Republicans will give ignoring this the good old 'college try.'
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:46 AM
Feb 2020

In other words, like most rich kids who got into college as legacies because their families donated big bucks, they will try and CHEAT.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
21. This is plain and simple TREASON, why are people not calling it?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:18 AM
Feb 2020

It must be repeated over and over, I know the creature doesn't care and neither his enablers, but it must get to their supporters ears and maybe a few with neurons in their brains will wake up to understand what is going on.

TREASON! trump is Putin's puppet and the ticket that Lawrence talked about last night is not trump/Putin, its Putin/trump, trump is the idiot, Putin is the master and the danger is that Putin is teaching his idiot well.

What is happening in the USA today parallels with the situation in Venezuela and how it evolved.

In Venezuela the master was Fidel Castro, the puppet was Hugo Chavez, all the orders came from Castro and Chavez executed to the tee, when Chavez was no longer needed Castro disposed of him. Anyone who knows the story will say "but Chavez died of cancer", yes he did, but the story is more complicated than that, he started treating himself in Cuba, he was a very energetic man and suddenly he developed this rare type of cancer. One thing that people may not know is that Venezuela has produced some of the best Doctors in the World, and some of the best Dentists as well (if you know of a Venezuelan dentist in your area, go to him/her), these doctors diagnosed the cancer that Chavez had and the treatment that he was given in Cuba, they concluded that Cuban doctors (a myth that they are any good), produced the cancer that killed Chavez.

The story repeats itself, and what happened to Chavez is what happened to Noriega and many pseudo dictators out there, at some point Chavez started making his own decisions, and deep inside Chavez had good intentions, deep inside he wanted to do some good, but when he did Castro decided his pupil was going off script and decided to get rid of him and disposed to bring the idiot Maduro who is dumber than trump, although I believe we are underestimating trump.

If anyone wants to listen to the speeches that Chavez used to give, for hours, you will also find parallels with trump's, people don't seem to understand that the tactics are the same, inflate your base, divide, keep the citizens in constant anxiety, keep them talking about you while the crooks behind the scenes destroy and you only find out when the deed is complete. Super charge the supreme court of yes/corrupted men/women (I predict Bandy will become a Supreme Court judge), change the constitution (that is coming next), give a lot of money to the military (they just gave the biggest budget in history?) and those who believe the military cannot be corrupted are dreaming, weaken all the possible departments that can oppose you, cheat in elections to guarantee you stay in power (already done it in 2016, doing it again with no real safeguards to stop it as far as I can tell), create your own militia (white supremacist groups), and do what you want to do in plain light, for everyone to see because normalizing corruption is important, after a while the citizens stop caring.

Now, what the creature doesn't understand is that he will have reach a point where he is not needed anymore, and I have to think that although he is serving Putin well, that Putin must despise him because Putin seems to be the kind of person who hates stupidity and ignorance, so when the type comes he will dispose of trump, but for us it will be very late, Putin will have a loayalist who is more intelligent and shrewd in power to replace the creature.

If you look at Venezuela, where they are now, people are eating from the garbage, the very rich who supported Chavez have fled the country, the corrupt have stayed because they are becoming rich beyond their wildest dreams, although many of them have been flagged by the World and cannot leave Venezuela, they are jailed in Venezuela and cannot enjoy the spoils as they wish they could. There are no medicines, there is no food, the supermarkets are empty, people are dying, the best minds have also fled the country. That is what trump and enablers have planned for the USA and unless they are stopped soon, they will succeed. Many of them will outlive their usefulness, no one in that kind of corrupt environment is indispensable, and the same people who think they will never be thrown under the bus, when their usefulness comes to an end the punishment will be far worst than having to suffer horrendous tweets, their lives and that of their families will be thrown to share the rest of the country's pains.

I worry that I don't see a concerted effort to stop the hackers, the trolls, and the cheating that is taking place, a lot of people report it, talk about it, but as we all know, talk is cheap, we need action, we need computer experts to stop the hacking and bulling on the internet, and we as Democrats must stop the bickering among us because all we are doing is helping the crooks who may have started the bickering in the first place just to get us going.

aggiesal

(8,914 posts)
24. 2 statements that I completely enjoyed hearing in the NBC newscast ...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:51 AM
Feb 2020

This is about Intelligence officials warning House lawmakers last week that Russia was interfering in the 2020 campaign and election.

Mr. Trump cited the presence in the briefing of Representative Adam B. Schiff, the California Democrat who lead the impeachment proceedings against him, as a particular irritant.


This is about the new acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell
Happens to have no intelligence experience.

JustAnotherGen

(31,818 posts)
26. And - they are
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:58 AM
Feb 2020

Fucking around in our Primaries too . . . if they are going after Kentucky they are going after bigger fish too.

wnylib

(21,445 posts)
31. When you repeatedly say that
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:27 PM
Feb 2020

we are f'd, does that mean that you have totally given up? That you think everyone should feel that way and just give up?

If that is not why you keep saying it, then what is the reason?

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
32. We Are Up Against It
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:03 PM
Feb 2020

So much of our system favors Republicans like the Electoral College. Minus that HRC is President.

Then there is the Senate. Wyoming at last count had a population of almost 578,000. California has a population of ever 39 Million. They each get two Senators. One for every 289,000 people in Wyoming, one for every 19+Million in California. This is just one example.

That is why it has been hard for Democrats to take the Senate. Every election many more folks vote for Democrats but it often doesn’t matter. It’s minority rule.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
33. I'm thinking about what to do, and I only have questions
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:38 PM
Feb 2020

How to peacefully wake up sleepy Americans?

What has been missed or omitted in the constant noise that needs to be shouted? (To us on DU, this news is enough, but to others it may just sail over their shoulder like a tossed bowl of governmental alphabet soup.)

How to express that is not normal, no, this is treason...

How to do this if republicans in Congress won’t acknowledge the problem, because they’re complicit?


___
The problem I see is the humdrum, workaday just going along existence. Is the appearance of calm. Shortages are only apparent at some stores, I’ve seen some curious restaurant closings, food prices have been up since the high gas price years, insulin/Rx prices are crazy. I haven’t been thrown in jail for my opposition to tRump, yet.

Where’s the agitation point for those who aren’t paying attention? What’s the LCD evidence of more shit to come if tRump succeeds with this, for lack of a better word, coup?

I’m working on some answers, but am resisting sharing them. I invite others to think with me, because I could miss something important if I’m too certain, too quickly.

klook

(12,154 posts)
39. A prolonged and severe rise in gasoline prices,
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:22 PM
Feb 2020

widespread unemployment, another burst real estate bubble come to mind.

Another foreign terrorist attack would, like 9/11 (despite the obvious incompetence in letting something like that happen), work to his advantage.

A friend of mine thinks the “black swan” could be the coronavirus.

I certainly don’t wish for more pain and suffering in the general population, but these are all things that could affect the electorate.

The only things that would turn the Deplorables against Trump personally would be a) for him to start acting and talking like a Democrat or b) for there to be the release of video of him talking about what chumps his supporters are (although they would likely pass that off as a “deep fake,” with the guidance of the Fox/RW radio propaganda machine).

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
40. Gah, that's scary stuff
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:22 AM
Feb 2020

Managing the potential for a coronavirus outbreak as well as possible with proper medical/scientific expertise, guidance, and resources is certainly a test of his ‘governance.’ He’s already tried to screw it up by proposing an irresponsible 34% cut to the Global Health Fund. Thank goodness the Democrats in the House can check him in the budgeting process like they’ve done before. The whole thing makes me shudder, but my plan is to stay informed and collected with more frequently washed hands as I hope for the best for the entire country and world.

I’ve been thinking I’d ask folks in a small, but ostensibly growing town on the outer edge of a purple area why a fast food restaurant failed after being open for less than a year. Combining such with asking if they’ve heard of grenell, who does not have a background in intelligence. Is one example of how to bring the news down to the ground with increased urgency. Oh, and expressing very directly that tRump is a threat to the American way of life.

Eta: I’m not going to try to wake up deplorables, rather it’s the more moderate people around them I’m interested in. The ones that rarely hear how they fit into a more progressive society. Never trumpers in my family trying to choose a Democratic candidate. Close friends and family? We’re already aware.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
34. Remember that tRumpists are outnumbered
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:00 PM
Feb 2020

The vast majority of Americans do not want to live under fascist tyranny.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
38. trump is acquitted . . . .
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:19 PM
Feb 2020
Appeals date set: November 3, 2020.

You've been called for jury duty.

Show up and do your job.

VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.
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