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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA Pardon for Stone -- Between a Rock and a Hard Place for Trump.
When a person is pardoned -- in essence he or she admits that they committed the crimes alleged and found guilty thereof. A pardon does NOT adjudicate the convicted person to a status of factual innocence. In the case of Roger Stone, this is one of the crimes for which he was convicted:
"Roger Stone sentenced to more than three years in prison for Trump cover-up"
He was not prosecuted, as some have complained, for standing up for the president, Jackson said. He was prosecuted for covering up for the president.
https://fortune.com/2020/02/20/roger-stone-sentenced-to-more-than-three-years-in-prison-for-trump-cover-up/
A pardon is NOT an exoneration, it is not a status of factual innocence. So, if Trump pardons, Stone, IMO, it is an admission by Trump that Stone in fact and legally was guilty of a cover-up of the conduct of Trump. If Trump does not pardon Stone, then the verdict re a "cover-up" by Stone for Trump stands.
So Trump -- meet Stone, Rock and a Hard Place.
The manner in which Judge Jackson announced the sentencing -- she did a great job of painting Trump into a corner.
walkingman
(7,580 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)The hardcore MAGAts don't give a shit...tRump is their Gawd.
However, for those who did vote for tRump, but had been Obama voters and did not like Hillary, these people could make a difference. Pardoning Stone or leaving the guilty verdict in place does not help tRump one way or the other. Roger covered up for him and it will make a difference to some people.
still_one
(92,061 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Right now, IMO, Roger is still a topical subject. Cannot do now.
But whatever way it goes, pardon or no pardon, Roger covered for him and a pardon does not equal factual innocence.
still_one
(92,061 posts)Chainfire
(17,467 posts)He needs a distraction.
ALBliberal
(2,334 posts)to pardon him since he is a convicted felon. In his mind and his cults minds his pardons wash away convictions. Absolutely false of course but facts and truth mean nothing to him or his followers.
dalton99a
(81,392 posts)Trump doesn't give a shit about judges
Under The Radar
(3,401 posts)It is a permanent mark of poor behavior and they live the rest of their days in shame. But shame doesnt effect this crowd when they claim exoneration because they werent imprisoned.
The normal rules dont apply here.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)as Stone's evidence can be introduced as a finding of fact.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)irrespective of who wins. I suspect many more if he loses (revenge to sow chaos - maybe even for cash).
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,321 posts)All he wants is for Roger to get out of jail and for Roger to love Trump.
Roger will be even more expressive of gratitude than Blagojavich.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Roger is a big, black mark on how Trump sees his absolute perfection -- particularly it questions if he truly won 2016 -- he did not really win because he had to get the "prize" by cheating.