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This is a big hole in Trump's narrative.
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CanonRay
(16,171 posts)Trump doesn't have the guts.
bucolic_frolic
(55,129 posts)Putin and Trump want the weakest unwitting Democratic candidate they can find. That's what's going on here. If they have something on him as well, all the better for them. We'd better vet our candidates well, checking it twice, over the next couple months. They may be kneecapping our democracy but we don't have to help them!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)was trying to help him?
Then blasted WAPO for making it public a month later?
applegrove
(132,207 posts)panel said.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html
Certainly Bernie would have said that he was told not to say anything if he had been told such...
Why would those close to him tell WAPO if it was confidential?
applegrove
(132,207 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)the norm for who?
Certainly Bernie would have said that he was told by officials not to say anything if he had been told such...
applegrove
(132,207 posts)Democratic candidate release info from their intelligence briefing?
Because I go to many intelligence briefings which Idont reveal to the public.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Have you heard the Intelligence community saying that?
I've only heard Sanders complain that WAPO was trying to sink his campaign by publishing the article, not that it was a leak of classified information.
Not a word from anyone that this information was not to be public, just that Sanders didn't want it to be public before the Nevada primary.
apcalc
(4,528 posts)Response to ehrnst (Reply #5)
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)reaction to facts.
It's fact. Blame God for "hating Bernie," not me.
I didn't make him hide this from the public.
Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You seem are very angry that I'm discussing this news story about Sanders.
I didn't make it up, nor did I make Sanders keep this under wraps, so being angry at me is simply shooting the messenger.
Is that clearer?
Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Some people think God has that kind of power, so I suggested that perhaps you direct your anger there rather than at me.
I'm just repeating the news. If you are embarrassed, frustrated or enraged, direct it towards someone who is responsible for what happened - if you don't think that Sanders should be accountable for his actions, then perhaps you should take it up with God.
Is that clearer?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I've heard no such statement by Sanders or Intel.
Perhaps you have?
applegrove
(132,207 posts)and releasing it a day before the Nevada primary.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)but as trying to sink his campaign.
And there is silence from the intelligence community, who would have stated that this was classified, and would be investigating where the leak came from....
Why do you think that this information going public would be damaging to his campaign?
applegrove
(132,207 posts)other!!!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)he obviously did in his accusation about WAPO for making it public.
Is that clearer?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)for a Sanders supporter right now.
applegrove
(132,207 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)applegrove
(132,207 posts)quiet shows he is guilty of anything necessarily. I don't like bs (bull **** - not Bernie Sanders). I'm not uncomfortable with anything but your aggression.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Which his accusation of WAPO explicitly shows.
And you clearly don't want to answer that, and keep trying to redirect...
I'm just calling out the evasions, and staying on topic. Only someone who is trying to evade something while still engaging would consider that 'aggressive.'
It seems to be a sore point with you for whatever reason, and you don't want to admit that.
applegrove
(132,207 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)or he wouldn't have accused WAPO of nefarious actions against his campaign by publishing news of additional Russian plans to interfere with the Democratic primaries.
You have certainly speculated (despite his response) that he was told not to tell anyone, then you said that it wasn't something that he usually does (which still doesn't excuse someone would keep something that out of the ordinary, and deeply relevant to the national interest concerning our electoral process in the primary) and say that "Bernie and I" are the only ones who think that it's somehow damaging to his campaign.
But NOW you're saying that you need "more information" to give an opinion on why he might think that this is such a problematic thing for his campaign to come out during the primaries.
This really is a sore spot with you... if you were really uninterested, you'd just stop replying. But you are making a point of continuing to respond in a way that you think makes me look like I'm the unreasonable and inconsistent party in this ongoing discussion.
Usually it's Sanders supporters who bend over backwards to explain away inconsistencies in his statements.
applegrove
(132,207 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)What about that question is so sensitive for you?
Why do you think that Bernie thinks that this being made public right now would damage his campaign?
Not a hard question, and you certainly aren't shy about offering opinions on possible rationalizations for him staying silent about it...
applegrove
(132,207 posts)Without much more evidence i cannot say. Of course when there is overwhelming evidence that things happened in a certain way we might agree. I have to go on his character right now. He's not a bad egg.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)about his motives for staying quiet, when the evidence of his own words contradicted your opinion.
Why is it you bend over backwards to keep on posting in order to try to appear like you're not evading a simple question like "Why do you think Sanders thinks that this revelation is damaging his campaign?"
I notice you don't have a candidate selection. Interesting.
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applegrove
(132,207 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:12 AM - Edit history (2)
Russians help to him in the elections. This thread has gotten skewed by your insistance i agree with you. You brought up Sanders. I didn't. I like Sanders. I like Joe. I like most of the candidates. I don't know if Sanders can win. If he does i do not think he would get most of what he wants through congress.
applegrove
(132,207 posts)apcalc
(4,528 posts)lastlib
(28,258 posts)It's not always a good idea to blab stuff you know just because you know it. I think if we are going to trust him with the powers of the presidency, it might be a good idea to trust his judgment on what to disclose (and when) and what not to disclose. Unlike a certain shitgibbon, he might have the good discretion to know what to keep close to the vest and what to let out. And, unlike said shitgibbon, when the time came, he made it crystal clear that putin's "help" was not wanted, would not be tolerated, and would have dire consequences for Putin. I am thankful for that.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Didn't Trump go off the rails and fire people because they talked to Congress about Russian interference plans?
I would hope that someone running for POTUS on the Democratic ticket would want to be forthcoming to the nation about such an attack on our electoral process.
Don't you?
Sogo
(7,191 posts)This is a full-on attack on our country. How can there be any confidence in what's coming out of his campaign and the results of his "wins." How can HE feel good about his "wins?"
We are in a break-glass-in-case-of-emergency situation. Our elections and our very democracy are at stake. We must have everyone step up and do what is necessary to stop this. I think Senator Sanders should suspend his campaign, thereby depriving Russia and Trump from selecting him as their opponent in the election and setting him up to be squashed like a bug in defeat in November. I'm sure that sounds harsh and outrageous to Sanders' people, but sorry, folks, this is war.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)in the electoral process by Russia.
Trump threw a fit and started accusing people of trying to discredit him when Congress was told about intelligence concerning Russian plans for the election. I expect something different from our side.
tiptonic
(765 posts)Regardless of who the dems run against Benedict donald, trump claims they had help from Russia. He 'declares' the election invalid because of Russian medling, he stays in power, Putin wins.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Remember - Trump got upset that intel let congress know.
So that would cancel out Trump's claim that Russia just wants Bernie to be POTUS - they just want Bernie to be the nominee to run against Trump.
pansypoo53219
(23,034 posts)Omaha Steve
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