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Begala tweet: (Original Post) applegrove Feb 2020 OP
Short answer: No CanonRay Feb 2020 #1
Doesn't he have a clue either? bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #2
Why did Sanders not tell the public when he was informed that Russia ehrnst Feb 2020 #3
He may have been directed not to tell by the intelligence briefers CNN applegrove Feb 2020 #4
He said nothing about being prohibited about saying anything. ehrnst Feb 2020 #5
He said it is the norm not to disclose. applegrove Feb 2020 #6
When did he say that? ehrnst Feb 2020 #7
Right here he is saying what the norm is for him. Have you heard any other applegrove Feb 2020 #11
Have you heard Sanders say there was a breach of classified info by WAPO? ehrnst Feb 2020 #15
Hillary said it from the get go. apcalc Feb 2020 #32
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #8
Shooting the messenger doesn't bestow credibility on one's ehrnst Feb 2020 #9
Your post doesn't even make sense. Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #13
Because the news makes you frustrated and embarrassed? ehrnst Feb 2020 #16
"It's fact. Blame God for "hating Bernie," not me." What are you talking about? Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #18
Responding to your post. ehrnst Feb 2020 #19
What does "God" have to do with it? Last chance at a reasonable answer. Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #21
I don't have any power over what Sanders does or doesn't say, ehrnst Feb 2020 #25
Wouldn't Bernie and the briefers be decrying a leak of classified info if that was the case? ehrnst Feb 2020 #12
He did decry it when he slammed the Washington Post for doing the story applegrove Feb 2020 #14
Not as leaking classified information... ehrnst Feb 2020 #17
I don't. You do. So does Bernie. You and Bernie agree. You should call each applegrove Feb 2020 #24
I asked you why you think he had that reaction to the revelation, as ehrnst Feb 2020 #26
Okay. applegrove Feb 2020 #28
So you don't have an answer. I can imagine that might be very uncomfortable ehrnst Feb 2020 #31
I am not a Sanders supporter. applegrove Feb 2020 #33
Then it shouldn't be as uncomfortable to answer. Why the evasion? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #34
I evaded nothing. I just don't think sanders keeping intelligence briefings applegrove Feb 2020 #36
I asked why you thought *he would think* it was damaging to his campaign. ehrnst Feb 2020 #37
More information would help. We don't have that yet. You cannot get blood from stone. applegrove Feb 2020 #39
Still evading. I asked for an opinion. We know that he thinks it's damaging ehrnst Feb 2020 #40
I was giving options for what might of happened. So are you. applegrove Feb 2020 #41
Still posting, yet still trying to redirect away from the question. ehrnst Feb 2020 #42
I'll keep my options on that open. One doesn't necessarily flow to the other. applegrove Feb 2020 #43
More evasions... and you forgot that you were "saying" plenty ehrnst Feb 2020 #44
Because the Begala tweets were about Trump being afraid of admitting applegrove Feb 2020 #45
It was an intelligence leak. applegrove Feb 2020 #46
Hillary said it from the beginning. apcalc Feb 2020 #35
"Loose lips sinks ships." lastlib Feb 2020 #20
You don't think that the public should know about Russian interference in the election? ehrnst Feb 2020 #22
Sanders' response falls short, IMO. Sogo Feb 2020 #23
One would hope that a Democratic POTUS would want to let the country know about interference ehrnst Feb 2020 #29
K&R UTUSN Feb 2020 #10
Putin wins tiptonic Feb 2020 #27
But Intel also said that Russia wants Trump re-elected. ehrnst Feb 2020 #30
the GOP is russian flag RED. pansypoo53219 Feb 2020 #38
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Feb 2020 #47

CanonRay

(16,171 posts)
1. Short answer: No
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:22 PM
Feb 2020

Trump doesn't have the guts.

bucolic_frolic

(55,129 posts)
2. Doesn't he have a clue either?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:26 PM
Feb 2020

Putin and Trump want the weakest unwitting Democratic candidate they can find. That's what's going on here. If they have something on him as well, all the better for them. We'd better vet our candidates well, checking it twice, over the next couple months. They may be kneecapping our democracy but we don't have to help them!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
3. Why did Sanders not tell the public when he was informed that Russia
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:28 PM
Feb 2020

was trying to help him?

Then blasted WAPO for making it public a month later?

applegrove

(132,207 posts)
4. He may have been directed not to tell by the intelligence briefers CNN
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:32 PM
Feb 2020

panel said.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
5. He said nothing about being prohibited about saying anything.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:40 PM
Feb 2020
Sanders told reporters Friday after The Post’s report was published that he received the briefing “about a month ago.” Asked why he did not disclose the briefing publicly, Sanders replied, “Because I go to many intelligence briefings which I don’t reveal to the public.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html

Certainly Bernie would have said that he was told not to say anything if he had been told such...

Why would those close to him tell WAPO if it was confidential?




applegrove

(132,207 posts)
6. He said it is the norm not to disclose.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:41 PM
Feb 2020
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
7. When did he say that?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:42 PM
Feb 2020

the norm for who?

Certainly Bernie would have said that he was told by officials not to say anything if he had been told such...

applegrove

(132,207 posts)
11. Right here he is saying what the norm is for him. Have you heard any other
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:49 PM
Feb 2020

Democratic candidate release info from their intelligence briefing?

 “Because I go to many intelligence briefings which Idon’t reveal to the public.”

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
15. Have you heard Sanders say there was a breach of classified info by WAPO?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:52 PM
Feb 2020

Have you heard the Intelligence community saying that?

I've only heard Sanders complain that WAPO was trying to sink his campaign by publishing the article, not that it was a leak of classified information.

Not a word from anyone that this information was not to be public, just that Sanders didn't want it to be public before the Nevada primary.





apcalc

(4,528 posts)
32. Hillary said it from the get go.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:15 PM
Feb 2020

Response to ehrnst (Reply #5)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
9. Shooting the messenger doesn't bestow credibility on one's
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:45 PM
Feb 2020

reaction to facts.

It's fact. Blame God for "hating Bernie," not me.

I didn't make him hide this from the public.


Evolve Dammit

(21,774 posts)
13. Your post doesn't even make sense.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:51 PM
Feb 2020
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
16. Because the news makes you frustrated and embarrassed?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:55 PM
Feb 2020

Evolve Dammit

(21,774 posts)
18. "It's fact. Blame God for "hating Bernie," not me." What are you talking about?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:57 PM
Feb 2020
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
19. Responding to your post.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:58 PM
Feb 2020

You seem are very angry that I'm discussing this news story about Sanders.

I didn't make it up, nor did I make Sanders keep this under wraps, so being angry at me is simply shooting the messenger.

Is that clearer?

Evolve Dammit

(21,774 posts)
21. What does "God" have to do with it? Last chance at a reasonable answer.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:00 PM
Feb 2020
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
25. I don't have any power over what Sanders does or doesn't say,
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:06 PM
Feb 2020

Some people think God has that kind of power, so I suggested that perhaps you direct your anger there rather than at me.

I'm just repeating the news. If you are embarrassed, frustrated or enraged, direct it towards someone who is responsible for what happened - if you don't think that Sanders should be accountable for his actions, then perhaps you should take it up with God.

Is that clearer?



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
12. Wouldn't Bernie and the briefers be decrying a leak of classified info if that was the case?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:50 PM
Feb 2020

I've heard no such statement by Sanders or Intel.

Perhaps you have?

applegrove

(132,207 posts)
14. He did decry it when he slammed the Washington Post for doing the story
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:52 PM
Feb 2020

and releasing it a day before the Nevada primary.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
17. Not as leaking classified information...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:56 PM
Feb 2020

but as trying to sink his campaign.

And there is silence from the intelligence community, who would have stated that this was classified, and would be investigating where the leak came from....

Why do you think that this information going public would be damaging to his campaign?

applegrove

(132,207 posts)
24. I don't. You do. So does Bernie. You and Bernie agree. You should call each
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:05 PM
Feb 2020

other!!!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
26. I asked you why you think he had that reaction to the revelation, as
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:07 PM
Feb 2020

he obviously did in his accusation about WAPO for making it public.

Is that clearer?

applegrove

(132,207 posts)
28. Okay.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:10 PM
Feb 2020
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
31. So you don't have an answer. I can imagine that might be very uncomfortable
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:15 PM
Feb 2020

for a Sanders supporter right now.

applegrove

(132,207 posts)
33. I am not a Sanders supporter.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:15 PM
Feb 2020
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
34. Then it shouldn't be as uncomfortable to answer. Why the evasion? (nt)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:16 PM
Feb 2020

applegrove

(132,207 posts)
36. I evaded nothing. I just don't think sanders keeping intelligence briefings
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:19 PM
Feb 2020

quiet shows he is guilty of anything necessarily. I don't like bs (bull **** - not Bernie Sanders). I'm not uncomfortable with anything but your aggression.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
37. I asked why you thought *he would think* it was damaging to his campaign.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:23 PM
Feb 2020

Which his accusation of WAPO explicitly shows.

And you clearly don't want to answer that, and keep trying to redirect...

I'm just calling out the evasions, and staying on topic. Only someone who is trying to evade something while still engaging would consider that 'aggressive.'

It seems to be a sore point with you for whatever reason, and you don't want to admit that.

applegrove

(132,207 posts)
39. More information would help. We don't have that yet. You cannot get blood from stone.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:31 PM
Feb 2020
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
40. Still evading. I asked for an opinion. We know that he thinks it's damaging
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:46 PM
Feb 2020

or he wouldn't have accused WAPO of nefarious actions against his campaign by publishing news of additional Russian plans to interfere with the Democratic primaries.

You have certainly speculated (despite his response) that he was told not to tell anyone, then you said that it wasn't something that he usually does (which still doesn't excuse someone would keep something that out of the ordinary, and deeply relevant to the national interest concerning our electoral process in the primary) and say that "Bernie and I" are the only ones who think that it's somehow damaging to his campaign.

But NOW you're saying that you need "more information" to give an opinion on why he might think that this is such a problematic thing for his campaign to come out during the primaries.



This really is a sore spot with you... if you were really uninterested, you'd just stop replying. But you are making a point of continuing to respond in a way that you think makes me look like I'm the unreasonable and inconsistent party in this ongoing discussion.

Usually it's Sanders supporters who bend over backwards to explain away inconsistencies in his statements.




applegrove

(132,207 posts)
41. I was giving options for what might of happened. So are you.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:48 PM
Feb 2020
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
42. Still posting, yet still trying to redirect away from the question.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:50 PM
Feb 2020

What about that question is so sensitive for you?

Why do you think that Bernie thinks that this being made public right now would damage his campaign?

Not a hard question, and you certainly aren't shy about offering opinions on possible rationalizations for him staying silent about it...

applegrove

(132,207 posts)
43. I'll keep my options on that open. One doesn't necessarily flow to the other.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:01 PM
Feb 2020

Without much more evidence i cannot say. Of course when there is overwhelming evidence that things happened in a certain way we might agree. I have to go on his character right now. He's not a bad egg.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
44. More evasions... and you forgot that you were "saying" plenty
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:05 PM
Feb 2020

about his motives for staying quiet, when the evidence of his own words contradicted your opinion.

Why is it you bend over backwards to keep on posting in order to try to appear like you're not evading a simple question like "Why do you think Sanders thinks that this revelation is damaging his campaign?"



I notice you don't have a candidate selection. Interesting.

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applegrove

(132,207 posts)
45. Because the Begala tweets were about Trump being afraid of admitting
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:08 PM
Feb 2020

Last edited Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:12 AM - Edit history (2)

Russians help to him in the elections. This thread has gotten skewed by your insistance i agree with you. You brought up Sanders. I didn't. I like Sanders. I like Joe. I like most of the candidates. I don't know if Sanders can win. If he does i do not think he would get most of what he wants through congress.

applegrove

(132,207 posts)
46. It was an intelligence leak.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:21 AM
Feb 2020

apcalc

(4,528 posts)
35. Hillary said it from the beginning.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:16 PM
Feb 2020

lastlib

(28,258 posts)
20. "Loose lips sinks ships."
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:58 PM
Feb 2020

It's not always a good idea to blab stuff you know just because you know it. I think if we are going to trust him with the powers of the presidency, it might be a good idea to trust his judgment on what to disclose (and when) and what not to disclose. Unlike a certain shitgibbon, he might have the good discretion to know what to keep close to the vest and what to let out. And, unlike said shitgibbon, when the time came, he made it crystal clear that putin's "help" was not wanted, would not be tolerated, and would have dire consequences for Putin. I am thankful for that.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
22. You don't think that the public should know about Russian interference in the election?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:01 PM
Feb 2020

Didn't Trump go off the rails and fire people because they talked to Congress about Russian interference plans?

I would hope that someone running for POTUS on the Democratic ticket would want to be forthcoming to the nation about such an attack on our electoral process.

Don't you?



Sogo

(7,191 posts)
23. Sanders' response falls short, IMO.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:02 PM
Feb 2020

This is a full-on attack on our country. How can there be any confidence in what's coming out of his campaign and the results of his "wins." How can HE feel good about his "wins?"

We are in a break-glass-in-case-of-emergency situation. Our elections and our very democracy are at stake. We must have everyone step up and do what is necessary to stop this. I think Senator Sanders should suspend his campaign, thereby depriving Russia and Trump from selecting him as their opponent in the election and setting him up to be squashed like a bug in defeat in November. I'm sure that sounds harsh and outrageous to Sanders' people, but sorry, folks, this is war.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
29. One would hope that a Democratic POTUS would want to let the country know about interference
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:11 PM
Feb 2020

in the electoral process by Russia.

Trump threw a fit and started accusing people of trying to discredit him when Congress was told about intelligence concerning Russian plans for the election. I expect something different from our side.

UTUSN

(77,795 posts)
10. K&R
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:47 PM
Feb 2020

tiptonic

(765 posts)
27. Putin wins
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:08 PM
Feb 2020

Regardless of who the dems run against Benedict donald, trump claims they had help from Russia. He 'declares' the election invalid because of Russian medling, he stays in power, Putin wins.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
30. But Intel also said that Russia wants Trump re-elected.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:12 PM
Feb 2020

Remember - Trump got upset that intel let congress know.

So that would cancel out Trump's claim that Russia just wants Bernie to be POTUS - they just want Bernie to be the nominee to run against Trump.

pansypoo53219

(23,034 posts)
38. the GOP is russian flag RED.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:28 PM
Feb 2020

Omaha Steve

(109,221 posts)
47. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:43 AM
Feb 2020

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