I have talked too many Trump voters, they all have this in common.

[shockey80]

Fake is real, real is fake. This is absolute proof they are all infected with the disease of propaganda. If you talk to any Trump voters that's where you should start and end the conversation. There is nothing else to talk about it.

When people believe Fox news and Rush are the real news, and every major new organization, every major newspaper in the country is the fake news, they are completely infected with propaganda. They are fucking idiots. All of us should not hesitate to tell them this fact and do it with great resolve.

I have had enough of Trump voters wrecking my country. I am tired of ignoring them.

[Faux pas]

1. No critical thinking skills

brought to you by the assholes who killed public education for the for profit assholes.

[Evolve Dammit]

6. I was just saying that this morning. It is tragic.

[bronxiteforever]

11. +1 the dumbing down of America.

[SayItLoud]

36. Can't say he didn't tell us..."I love the less educated"....

#Resist as best we can.

[McKim]

65. The Dumbing Down is Real

The Great Dumbing Down is real. Just go to a used magazine store and pick up a Saturday Evening Post from 1968. You will find long interesting stories with high level vocabulary and ideas. You will find international and national coverage and a refreshing lack of popular culture garbage stories. This will help you see that we HAVE been dumbed down. Remember, the Saturday Evening Post was an average magazine, not an intellectual one. My parents did not graduate from high school but they read it every week and we all learned from it. Education was revered.
The shock of reading this will hit you in the face!

[FakeNoose]

71. Our parents (yours and mine) were from a different era

They believed in life-long education, and that one never stops learning and trying to understand difficult concepts. I'm a baby-boomer and I like to think that I'm a life-long learner too. However it was between our time and when our kids started in school - I'm going to say it was the 1980's - that everything began to change. It's another legacy of Ronald Reagan I guess.

Publications like the wonderful Saturday Evening Post are long gone, and even the old Time and Newsweek are gone. Nobody is willing to read or study anything, if they don't "have to" for school credit. The current state of the internet is further proof of the dumbing down of America.

[forgotmylogin]

75. 1984 + Idiocracy equals I45

Who knew that Mike Judge, the creator of Beavis and Butthead, was creating satire as prescient as George Orwell?

Judge created a dumb comedy that they seem to be using as a playbook.

[redstatebluegirl]

82. My husband and I were talking about this just last week.

We are going through things from his Dad's house and found old Saturday Evening Posts and some Boys Life that my husband used to get as a boy. Most college students today would find it difficult to read a Boys Life not to mention the Post. My parents, like yours, valued education, they wanted us to be smarter and more accomplished than they were, that has disappeared.

[area51]

18. +1 n/t

[freepotter]

31. I was totally stunned

after watching Independent Lens on PBS this morning. The program was "We Believe in Dinosaurs" that was about "The building of a $120 million Noah's Ark exhibit is featured, backed by the Creation Museum in Williamstown, Kentucky. It was designed to prove the Bible is historically and scientifically accurate. Residents who support and oppose it are heard from." Fortunately it didn't take long for that boondoggle to go kaput.

Man, you talk about a bunch of ignorant nuts! It's no wonder that this country elected the Orange Menace. There was a trailer message after the end of the film that said "40% of Americans believe in Creationism as opposed to evolution." Bet most of them, if they voted, went for Dump.

[BigmanPigman]

34. That was my single reason for predicting tRump would win

since the night he came down the golden escalator. I told everyone that he would since the average American is dumber than dirt. I don't think that too many have increased their IQ since then.

That is why we have to get the somewhat normal Independents to vote with us. To do that we have to talk about how awful things will continue to be if tRump is reelected and the Senate is still GOP instead of attacking each other.

We also have to think like Putin thinks: What does Putin want to see happen today, next week, next month and next year? He is planning long term and short term to destroy us.

[pnwmom]

45. Somewhere along the line I realized that half the voters

have an IQ below 100.

Trump's genius was in knowing how to snooker low-information voters.

[BigmanPigman]

59. I read where he told someone

that if he could hook the Fux Ruse viewer he could sell them anything and called them ignorant and stupid (I know...pot calling kettle black). This was before he ran for office. He certainly knows his audience.

[paleotn]

41. Most are older and were in school when such things were taught.

And when basic civics was a requirement for high school graduation. The majority I run into are 50+. They were taught these things, but for whatever reason, it just didn't take. The magat profile holds across numerous studies... older, white males without a college degree.

My hypothesis is, these are people who thought they could skate through life on white male privilege alone. Prior generations of white males had done just that so why not them? They thought they didn't have to think too hard, work too hard or accomplish much to have the same lives their parents had. All they had to do was show up and be white and male. A radically changing economy changed all that forever. Due to laziness, inertia or whatever, instead of adapting to change like any rational person would, they're looking hard for scapegoats and messiahs. They've found both. I have two folks in my family just like that. They have this bizarre idea that society owes them a good living, regardless of their lack of a contemporary skill set, just because they're white and male. They are precisely what they accuse minorities of being. And boy do they love IQ45. Both are also well aware that I wouldn't piss on either one of them if they were on fire.

[Joinfortmill]

50. Yes, sad but true.

[Faux pas]

70. Ah yes, I remember civics.

I agree with your hypothesis. In a nutshell, it's failure to evolve. Sad and sickening.

[pacheen]

63. It goes beyond critical thinking skills

And I say this because I have some relatives with college degrees who are Trumpists.

I went to a high school that tried to teach us critical thinking skills. In the 1970’s. I don’t think a lot of us were ready for that, developmentally.

I just don’t know what to make of it.



.

[Faux pas]

72. They don't want to stray

outside their group think bubble. Lol they should have their own country far far away.

[Dustlawyer]

78. The RW media has programmed these people with decades of constant, negative

stories and comments. They are programmed to ignore the “lies” (facts) we present and sit there with a smug smile on their faces thinking they know better.

If we can gain control of the Senate, WH, and keep the House we must reinstate the Fairness Doctrine and work to eliminate lies by the media.

[democratisphere]

2. There is no reaching drumpflicons, they are a lost cause.

We are totally dependent on swing voters to help US out here. We don't attract swing voters with socialism.

[CaptYossarian]

14. Maybe not. Here in WI, we had a horrible governor in Tommy Thompson.

He won 4 consecutive gubernatorial races and could have served for life. He left halfway through his last term when Dubya gave him a cabinet post.

In his absence, it was discovered that he and Lt. Gov. Scott McCallum had cooked the state's books and we were in terrible shape. McCallum pulled a "Gerald Ford" and lost his only re-election bid to Jim Doyle.

When Tammy Baldwin ran for Senate, Thompson was her opponent. Voters remembered his financial shenanigans (plus a dirty campaign with dogwhistle ads about Baldwin's orientation) and he lost. McCallum never ran for office ever again.

My message is: When the truth is so overwhelming that stupid people take notice, small miracles are possible.

[VOX]

3. Time to call it "Hate media." Because that's what it sells.

The Fox/Sinclair/shock radio far-right-wing formula is moronically simple: sow fear, then sow anger. Fear, anger. Over and over, until anger is the dominant emotion, which, applied to action, is expressed as hatred.

The propaganda keeps the anger at a permanent boil. Some borderline persons will act upon their rage, which accounts for the epidemic of hate crimes and incidents in this country.

[Evolve Dammit]

7. "Hate media" is exactly right.

[erronis]

23. Throw rt.com (russian state tv) sputnik (radio) into that list

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article239359868.html

This type of thing is happening throughout the US. Local stations airing content produced by an enemy of the US.

[certainot]

24. the hate radio monopoly is very vulnerable - ready to push off the cliff

the talk radio monopoly is extremely vulnerable now with artificial intelligence enhanced transcription and the possible well deserved departure of limbaugh. it is not part of the free speech spectrum and it is not an expression of 'market demand' for hate and global warming demand and racism. the ad industry has to adjust for the possible loss of limbaugh on 600 major stations, many already artificially supported. any real activism aimed at rw radio will force the ad industry to start adjusting preemptively to protect clients. they're going to have to get many of those stations to switch programming or lose a lot of advertisers.

there are 87 major universities supporting 260 limbaugh stations and they need to be protested until they quit

without talk radio trump and the GOP are total fucked. none of this trump disaster could have happened without limbaugh leading chorus of a few hundred liars on 1500 radio stations.

if trump/putin paid $1000/hr for radio then 1200 stations x 15 hrs a day are worth $5BIL/year

then the dem party will have to go 15 pts left.

[Maraya1969]

4. You can get through by showing them some of Trump's fucked up shit that is written

by Fox news online.

I posted about this before. It got through to my brother when I showed him how Fox reported on Trump's University and charity scams.

Just put "Fox news" before a Google search.

[yonder]

10. Useful quick & dirty search for his quick & dirty base.

I've got a trumper cousin who'll ingest any single source as long is it is online. This will be helpful.

[certainot]

25. also by getting dems and media to investigate russian use of talk radio, here and

around the world

[sarcasmo]

5. #Cult45

[blue-wave]

9. And yes, the cults drink of choice is obviously this

[dweller]

15. if only

that said Cult 45

✌🏼

[blue-wave]

19. I know

But 45's followers don't:

[Joinfortmill]

51. ROFL

[KY_EnviroGuy]

58. Here, fixed it for you.

Posted by others some months ago.

KY.........

[CaptYossarian]

16. Give or take about 900 people in Guyana.

[lambchopp59]

8. Scared of the truth

So, burying oneself in the "everything's okay" propaganda world, mob mentality reinforcing the mark's set of confabulatory beliefs and presto--- A damn Trumper. Easily accomplished among the sort who drew unflattering pitchers of his/her "teechers" on their mostly blank notebooks in the school days.
And a bit astounding of those who did achieve educational attainment.
There will be tremendous amounts of cult deprogramming efforts necessary if future generations are to survive the climate apocalypse.
Meantime, the idiots will still drive one or two fat asses to the all-you-can-eat fried buffet in their behemothmobile.

[rockfordfile]

40. Well the truth is they're traitors

[lambchopp59]

42. Yet even with all the treason, they think they're f'n "patriots".

Cult deprogramming. STAT. But, since they shut down all the mental health facilities...

[CaptainTruth]

12. Notice how everything Trump says is the exact opposite of reality?

His followers do the same thing.

It makes me wonder how they survive in daily life.

For example, when crossing the street do they look at the speeding bus & say "there is no bus, it's fake news" (the exact opposite of reality), & then walk in front of it?

[BunnyMcGee]

61. there is no bus, it's fake

Maybe this should be encouraged among the magat class...make it easier on our emotional well being!

[bdamomma]

13. wait until

Rush departs this world they won't know what to do. Propaganda has rotten ed their brains.

[exboyfil]

28. Plenty of mini-Rushs out there

Many of them in regional markets. The hate fest won't miss a beat.

[Brainfodder]

17. Add what they might hear in church, rallies, and other places?

I did my due diligence, people I care about are free to be ignoramuses, until..... and that's where most of us aint yet?

...please don't make me fight my neighbors....
...I haven't even met most of them after 10 years+....

I got zero RL friends now, & I'm finally OK with it.

What I do have are a ton of relatives, and they too aint getting any younger, just lost one this week in fact.

To tune into their propaganda, it's just amazing how politically moronic they are, when Tucker is being passed for credible, and the rest of their ANGRY FRAMING OF TODAY'S EVIL DEMOCRATS; looking at you dolled up Judge Scumbag!

Shady presents and pasts as regular guests?

I see enough clips from late night comedians monologues!

Time has come to blow their brains out with non-stop good ads?! Otherwise, ya gotta boycott shame anyone still advertising on their shitshows?

I may not like Michael Bloomberg much, but the ads are a good start!

[Baitball Blogger]

20. We are going to have to expose FoxNew on a global level.

But it helps that someone like Kelly is warning people that if you're watching FoxNews exclusively, you're not informed.

[SunSeeker]

21. Yep. It's frightening. nt

[cilla4progress]

22. I encountered their unique from of psychopathy

shortly after the 2016 election. Neighbor's trumper brother was returning a loan. It was quickly and frighteningly apparent he was living in an alternate universe.

Scariest part was it sent me into my own reality tailspin for about 48 hours.

I no longer engage, for the sake of my sanity.

[Ohioboy]

26. Totally brainwashed

They are brainwashed to the point where they resist any facts or good information you might try to give them.

[rufus dog]

27. Hit up some college friends the day of the pardons

A hard core trumpie, an idiot rw follower, a reformed republican and a liberal. My text said, lets just focus on the Blago pardon what are your thoughts? Now I do this occasionally so they can't get the RW talking points and are forced to deflect.

So the crazy trumper responded as expected, here it is...

"I have not had time to process the pardons. Still enjoying the irony of McCabe whining about how unfairly he and his family were treated due to his lies and actions. Poor thing -not really, he's a POS. Fits perfectly on CNN

Thank god for Bill Barr. Only lefties can actually coordinate with foreign agents to affect an election and then accuse others of doing it."

That is a whole lot of kool aid drinking.

[oldsoftie]

38. Wonder what they'll say about Barr if he quits?

[dawg day]

29. Was talking to a relative certain that the "socialists" want to take away her SS and Medicare

It was almost laughable-- what does she think socialism is? Apparently she thinks it's some evil plot to take away her SOCIAL security.
I gently said, "The Democrats aren't going to take it away. They gave it to you in the first place. FDR did Social Security. LBJ did Medicare."
No, she insisted that Hoover did SS and Nixon did Medicare.

And you know, she lived through all these decades. I guess ignorance gives Trump a blank slate on which to write his lies.

[Richard58]

80. Wow!

That is a perfect example of non-reality based thinking on her part! She can't even admit Democrats gave her the programs she relies on! How does one combat such deliberate ignorance?

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

30. It's not only the media. Trump has them convinced the CIA and FBI are full

of anti-Trumpers who are part of the Deep State which is out to get him. Joseph Goebbels is lying in his grave, laughing his ass off.

[cstanleytech]

32. Trump supporters are spoon fed moronic motherfuckers.......end of discussion.

[ThoughtCriminal]

33. I have found that they will completely make up stuff on the fly

Not just weird stuff they heard on Fox, from Rush, or read at Townhall. They will make things up randomly.

MAGAT: "Sanders wants to tax 90% of income for families making under $30,000"
Me: That's not true.
MAGAT: "I heard him say that!
Me: No you didn't. Prove it.
MAGAT: "ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR?!!!"

Psychopaths. There is no point in dealing with them.

[bucolic_frolic]

35. They are totally perverse

It's a blend of paranoia, limited awareness and self-righteousness. They must be murder in the kitchen.

[oldsoftie]

37. They dont even believe Fox anymore; other than Hannity, Laura & Tucker.

[hot2na]

39. It's cognitive dissonance on a massive scale.

Deep down they all know that the con has finally reached its final course. I'm talking about the decades of the con job that has been feeding this cult since Goldwater to Nixon to Reagan to the Bushes and now Trump. Rather than even attempting to acknowledge the con (that they must know of), they are turning to the biggest scumbag in American history to turn this country into a Fascist regime. It is no longer a presidential administration, it is a regime.

[SWBTATTReg]

43. I don't ignore them (these ignorant rump supporters), I tell them to their face and I'm not scared..

of them one iota. I will never shut up and be quiet when scumbags like this are running our Country and ruining it for everyone. Never.

[Ferrets are Cool]

44. The indoctrination that being liberal is "bad/evil" began 40 years ago

and has only gotten worse every year since raygun took office.

[TexasBushwhacker]

46. One of my coworkers said thar Roger Stone shouldn't have been convicted

for lying under oath because the Mueller innvestigation should never have happened.

[Shermann]

53. That's less absurd...

...than the cliché Republican selective prosecution defense.

You know, that defense strategy which has never worked in any court of law, ever.

[warmfeet]

47. I don't know what the long term solution is to this particular problem.

The short term solution is to get the orange asshole out of office as soon as possible. No positive change can happen in this country until he is removed from office. November 3rd looms large. GOTV like you have never done it before, then do it some more.

[Joinfortmill]

48. I hear you

From Trump's first speech when he came down his golden escalator, he showed us who he was. Some folks liked it. It's very difficult for us who were appalled at his speech to understand that. And very disheartening if it is someone we know and/or love. But that is what it is. I don't think we can change their minds. Only they can do that. Keep the faith, people. We will prevail.

[benld74]

49. Buddy of mine posted on FB

Yeah I know,
Something really innocous bout tRump and
BOOM!
Began getting waylaid by our HS friends.
Those we just saw at a reunion, laughed with, drank with.
Calling logical statements stupid. Spouting rw ideas we have all heard, as fact
Couldn't reason with them
Impossible.
We were informed if we didn't like what they replied to not read them

So my buddy deleted his post.
He told me he will look at them differently from now on. I informed him I had a feeling they were like that. Just didn't think they were rabid.

[Shermann]

52. Conservative news media

I did all I could to call out all the logical fallacies in the conservative news media in a conservative forum recently. Politely, respectfully, sincerely. They banned me anyway.

[FakeNoose]

73. Welcome to DU

Love your avatar!

[Prue]

54. It's frightening and disturbing

One of my ex-hiking friends is a trump supporter. She is a highly educated woman and holds several degrees including a Ph.D. Some of the things that she has said in defense of trump are totally absurd to the point that I thought she was kidding. She wasn't.

I seriously don't understand how people can turn a blind eye to trump's cruel policies and ignore what is so evident, trump is a criminal and he has no moral principles.

[Jakra]

55. Different experience

Most people voted reluctantly for him. Give them someone besides Warren or Sanders and they’ll happily vote against him.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

56. They all suffer from this affliction

[doc03]

57. Another thing I find is they are all racists. nt

[StocktonNative]

60. They all enjoy that WeakWhyte Supremacy talk.

.......Xenophobia is a trait with the Cult45...even the anchor babies! What's new?


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[El Mimbreno]

76. I've been peeling trump stickers off of road signs...

even keep a plastic scraper in each vehicle. But maybe I should just order some "to life" stickers.

[Permanut]

64. The Trump cult includes the Bible thumpers as well..

Trump, Turtle man, et al, had total control of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of the government - that is to say, ALL of it, and could have reversed Roe v. Wade. They did nothing, but the thumpers to this day talk for hours in person or on their radio shows about how Trump and the Republicans are the "pro-life" party.

I think that qualifies them as dumb shits.

[ooky]

79. Ha ha, issues Republicans campaign on and never fix, oh yeah.

Gotta keep those wedge issues open so they can keep rolling them over for votes from election to election. I love throwing this into the face of a Trump voter as soon as it comes out of the Trump voter's mouth.

[summer_in_TX]

66. We've got a bad habit of telling those who voted for Trump in 2016

how stupid, racist, gullible, uneducated, and brainwashed they are. Some moderate Rs who voted for Trump thinking he was the lesser of two evils have told me they hope we nominate someone they can vote for. Meaning they don't want to vote for him.

But the more we act like they are all stupid and ignorant, the more they get frustrated and angry at us. The superciliousness and superiority we often express makes me wonder if we even deserve to have voters turn towards Democrats. I've observed that it takes having the right attitude toward others before things come together the way I hope they will. When I am judgmental and putting out negative vibes, the universe goes against me.

Some of the 2016 Trump voters I know are far from the stereotypes often expressed on DU. Educated, bright, caring about their community, no obvious prejudice towards gays, Hispanics, blacks, or other minorities. I have hopes for them because I know how bright they are. But not if they are constantly judged (and misjudged). No, they'll take a look at Trump's economy, deal with the Taliban, etc., and decide that a vote for him at least will show us.

A group of my more conservative friends have breakfast every Thursday morning at the local cafe. They call themselves "The Deplorables." Still, four years later after the 2016 election. I'm quite sure back in 2016 they helped convince anyone who might have still been on the fence that they shouldn't vote for anyone who looked down on them and thought they were deplorable. They have a wide social circle, respect in the community, a spirit of volunteerism, and senses of humor. So they can influence others.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

67. Most of them believe what they WANT to believe because it makes them feel better.

1. Belief in life after death, with some scientists and liberals "attacking" their sense of security in that regard.
2. Belief in the superiority of the USA, with an unwillingness to listen to any negative history about it.
3. Belief in the superiority of their skin color, in some cases.

Nobody forces them to watch FOX News. They want reinforcement of their "feel good" beliefs.

[Shermann]

74. You Gotta Fight for Your Right To Party!

Conservatives see liberals, with all their critical thinking and fact-checking, as "buzz kills".

[Roy Rolling]

68. That's where I'm at, too

If by now people haven’t been exposed to Trump’s behavior, they aren’t awake. And if they still support him after three years, whatever I tell them is not worth more than 15 seconds of my time to tell them they are full of propaganda.

[Raster]

69. After observing tRump*, Fux and the GOP*...

...I now have a much greater understanding of just how pre-WWII Germany descended into madness.

[solarjre]

77. I live with the idiocy every day

My 86 year old father watched nothing but Fox News, and when they reported about The latest intelligence briefing regarding Russia helping Trump get elected, he actually said he didn’t believe it. When I asked why, he said Russia would be able to push around any of the Democrats much easier. Absolutely zero chance or reasoning with these (sorry dad, man I used to respect) idiots.

[Richard58]

81. This is why wingnuts drive me so crazy!

When I argue with a Trumper it is always a frustrating exercise in futility! We can't even agree on basic facts. Why? Because they live in an alternative reality! According to their worldview America's economy was abysmal under Obama and soared once Trump took office. When I try to explain how Trump inherited a great economy with things things like facts and graphs from the Dept of Labor and other sources they say it is "fake news". When I talk about Trump trying to force Ukraine to get dirt on Biden they say that Trump was "deeply concerned" about corruption in the Ukraine and was trying to stop it. No evidence to the contrary will change their minds.
Even when I complain about immigrant kids in cages they reply that it was OBAMA that started that policy and Trump stopped it! It makes me want to scream!
They firmly believe that only Fox News tells the truth and all other outlets are run by "communists". Seriously, I had a wingnut tell me that MSNBC, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS and PBS are all run by "Marxist Jews" who "hate America". How does one combat such bigoted idiocy?
Every negative story about Trump is "fake news" in their myopic world view. They truly believe that he is a genius, a devout Christian and a corruption fighter who is "draining the swamp" despite ALL evidence to the contrary. It drives me insane! I've given up even trying to have a dialogue with those a--holes because it is pointless and a waste of time. You can't fix stupid. I weep for this nation. So many people are just gullible rubes with zero critical thinking skills. It makes me embarrassed to be an American.