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Are you a Crusader or a Pragmatist? (Original Post) superpatriotman Feb 2020 OP
I'm a pragmatist and 69. underthematrix Feb 2020 #1
This is pretty much how I feel as well... WePurrsevere Feb 2020 #8
More of a pragmatist. Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #2
Pragmatism IS the crusade. VOX Feb 2020 #3
+100 excellent point apcalc Feb 2020 #7
Appears I'll be a Kamikaze voter on Nov 3rd. Hoyt Feb 2020 #4
Pragmatist. I've seen too many Crusaders spitted Vogon_Glory Feb 2020 #5
Yes. dawg Feb 2020 #6
I'm more of a pimpernel. klook Feb 2020 #9
Depends on the issue. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2020 #10
Some crusaders are pragmatic jpak Feb 2020 #11
Crusader right up to the finish line ibegurpard Feb 2020 #12
If they hadn't already for general prosperity purposes, Hortensis Feb 2020 #13
Pragmatism ONLY works if all are pragmatic. If one is rigid extreme, the pragmatic loses every time. TheBlackAdder Feb 2020 #14

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
8. This is pretty much how I feel as well...
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:02 PM
Feb 2020

This isn't isnt the time to vote for my ideals. This is about saving our country from greedy, selfish, bigoted and flat out mean people. Heck, this is even about saving our planet so I want whoever will beat Trump AND keep us the House and win back the Senate.

While I've always been a liberal & a political pragmatist, I'll be 60 in April. I'm also disabled and female. I have 6 young to teen grandchildren that I want to ensure have a future worth living and growing old in long after I'm gone. This means that Trump, TrumpliCons and Cult45ers need to be out of power everywhere and sent back to live under their rocks for a very long time. To do this it will take ALL of us who want them removed to VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
3. Pragmatism IS the crusade.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 05:09 PM
Feb 2020

Right now, there should be ONE shared goal: kick that toxic, democracy-killing cabal OUT of the White House.

Everything else hinges on that one goal. EVERYTHING!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. If they hadn't already for general prosperity purposes,
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 07:03 PM
Feb 2020

to limit discrimination against them over this increasingly conservative era, pragmatists should be starting to tailor and scrub their social media profiles for survival under an authoritarian state. At least smart, aware ones.

No one here seems to meet that mark.

I'm still here and still exposing myself as the enemy to acquaintances, and we have no intention of leaving the country if it comes to it, so that I guess tips us over the line into crusader.

TheBlackAdder

(28,182 posts)
14. Pragmatism ONLY works if all are pragmatic. If one is rigid extreme, the pragmatic loses every time.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 07:15 PM
Feb 2020

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A pragmatist starts at the 50 yard line, where mutually realistic goals are hoped to achieve.

If one side is an extremist, like the GOPers, pragmatism fails, because the best you'd get is 50% of your desires, and more likely, they will be negotiated more to the extremist side, which almost always benefits the GOP extremists.


I am pragmatic when it is plausible, and a crusader when it seems fit. It pisses me off when people want to be pragmatic with Republicans, because it's been shown time and time again that they are never pragmatic, especially in the past two decades.

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