Trump has already 'joked' about defying 2020 election results. Here's what could happen if he refuse

[LiberalArkie]

Trump has already ‘joked’ about defying 2020 election results. Here’s what could happen if he refuses to concede




Have you ever considered what happens when Donald Trump loses in November? One year ago, his former attorney Michael Cohen testified before Congress that Trump would not accept electoral defeat this upcoming election. Sadly, he’s probably right: If there’s one thing Trump has been consistent about, it’s that he narcissistically refuses to accept reality whenever it’s in any way negative toward him. This is why Trump has repeatedly, and ridiculously, insisted that he won the popular vote in 2016. In his very first meeting with Congressional leaders, he told them he won the popular vote because “3 to 5 million people voted illegally, and I’m not even counting California.”

Despite images to the contrary, Trump still refuses to accept that his sparsely attended inauguration was anything except the largest in history. Trump is so mentally incapable of admitting defeat that he literally took a Sharpie marker to an official map rather than admit he got something wrong. Most people found that hilarious, while others thought it pathetic.

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As with so many other things, Trump is going to change that dynamic. There are many possible scenarios, but several have Trump likely calling the election for himself long before the votes are in. If the results are not breaking his way during the election, expect Trump to cry fraud. Washington Monthly put out a very plausible sequence of events of what might happen once this occurs. Trump would declare, probably through a tweet, that he is hearing “from a lot of people” that polling sites are “fixed” and “rigged” against him. After Trump claims fraud, the GOP leadership is almost certain to back him up. His chief bootlickers, like Sens. Ted Cruz and Lindsay Graham, will call for bogus investigations.

If the vote comes down to a state like Florida, where the GOP is in full control, they likely won’t certify the Democratic winner. Even if it came down to a purple state that refuses to fix the election, like Pennsylvania, recall that our constitution requires the current vice president to certify the election results. Mike Pence, who is the most submissive veep in our nation’s history, will not do this if Trump instructs him not to. The GOP has likely already calculated this, because in that event, the decision would go to the House of Representatives, where each state gets one vote. Since there are more GOP controlled states than Democratic ones, the victor would most assuredly be Trump.

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https://www.alternet.org/2020/02/trump-has-already-joked-about-defying-2020-election-results-heres-what-could-happen-if-he-refuses-to-concede/

[BSdetect]

1. This scenario indicates yet another flaw in the system.

[Iliyah]

2. It's no joke . . .

[Baked Potato]

3. That's when their world gets disrupted

That’s when the good order which keeps the money flowing is jeopardized.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Before Trump, nobody listened to me when I premised that democracy can be lost

via democratic means.

The System can be gamed.

[magicarpet]

5. Chit - meet fan.

[malaise]

6. The same secret service who protect him now will drag him out if he doesn't leave

I'm beginning to question why your national anthem includes home of the brave. I cannot believe the fear on display by some DUers

[Bettie]

7. We've come to realize that our system only works

if both sides agree that "laws" are indeed an actual thing.

Republicans no longer believe this.

[malaise]

8. I get your point

Here's the more important question - neither side cares if democracy works in other countries.
How can people believe in democracy for themselves, banana republics for others and then expect to sustain democracy at home?
Foreign policy always destroys empires

[DBoon]

10. A country spend decades overthrowing democratically elelcted governments

and installing military dictatorships abroad

Eventually that country's rulers will decide it works at home too

You can't install Pinohchet, Vidalia, and Suharto then stop at your own borders.

[malaise]

11. You nailed it

and that is my biggest worry.
It's painful listening to the self righteous media hacks and politicians on both sides talking about banana republics when every single one was imposed on said countries by US governments and their corporations.

My hope remains with the American people but they too will have to change three things - policy at home and abroad, the narrative and the agenda

[magicarpet]

16. When you get the brave issue all worked out,....

Could you help explain the...

...."Freedom and justice for all." issue to me. That has been forever a source of confusion for me since I was a little kid.

I mean what the fuck. Who is kidding who ? Or making a very valiant effort.

[malaise]

17. It's all coming out now

for those who weren't paying attention.
We victims learned the truth ages ago

[magicarpet]

18. Ain't that the truth.

Learn from each other, then find the way out of the darkness.

[LiberalArkie]

21. That is still a problem. We love the dictators. That seems to be why Sanders is taking flack

his trip to this place

The Sandinista National Liberation Front (Spanish: Frente Sandinista de Liberación Nacional, FSLN) is a socialist political party in Nicaragua. Its members are called Sandinistas [sandiˈnistas] in both English and Spanish. The party is named after Augusto César Sandino, who led the Nicaraguan resistance against the United States occupation of Nicaragua in the 1930s.[6]

The FSLN overthrew Anastasio Somoza DeBayle in 1979, ending the Somoza dynasty, and established a revolutionary government in its place.[7][8] Having seized power, the Sandinistas ruled Nicaragua from 1979 to 1990, first as part of a Junta of National Reconstruction. Following the resignation of centrist members from this Junta, the FSLN took exclusive power in March 1981. They instituted a policy of mass literacy, devoted significant resources to health care, and promoted gender equality[9] but came under international criticism for human rights abuses, mass execution and oppression of indigenous peoples.[10][11] A U.S.-backed group, known as the Contras, was formed in 1981 to overthrow the Sandinista government and was funded and trained by the Central Intelligence Agency.[12] In 1984 elections were held[13] but were boycotted by some opposition parties. The FSLN won the majority of the votes,[14] and those who opposed the Sandinistas won approximately a third of the seats. The civil war between the Contras and the government continued until 1989. After revising the constitution in 1987, and after years of fighting the Contras, the FSLN lost the 1990 election to Violeta Barrios de Chamorro but retained a plurality of seats in the legislature.

The FSLN is now Nicaragua's sole leading party. The FSLN often polls in opposition to the much smaller Constitutionalist Liberal Party, or PLC. In the 2006 Nicaraguan general election, former FSLN President Daniel Ortega was re-elected President of Nicaragua with 38.7% of the vote compared to 29% for his leading rival, bringing in the country's second Sandinista government after 17 years of the opposition winning elections. Ortega and the FSLN were re-elected again in the presidential elections of November 2011 and of November 2016.

[Bettie]

15. There's that too

our foreign policy has been downright evil at times.

I can hope for better decisions by our leaders in the future, IF we can get decent leaders.

[Kurt V.]

26. when you stare a stark possible reality in the face, yeah there is fear.

[mahina]

9. Read The anti-coup by Gene Sharp

This is the link to download http://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/TAC-1.pdf

https://www.aeinstein.org/books/the-ant-coup/

Or for 5 bucks buy it
You’ll be glad.

https://www.aeinstein.org/books/the-ant-coup/

As coups are one of the primary ways through which dictatorships are installed, this piece details measures that civilians, civil society, and governments can take to prevent and block coups d'état and executive usurpations. It also contains specific legislative steps and other measures that governments and non-governmental institutions can follow to prepare for anti-coup resistance.

[malaise]

12. You should start an OP with this

[mahina]

14. I've posted these at least 30 x here since 2003

My posts sink. I’m ok with it but we need this.

Would you?

While we’re at it

https://www.brandeis.edu/peace-conflict/pdfs/198-methods-non-violent-action.pdf

I’ll post as an op in a week or so too and again. We need to get ready.

Aloha Malaise.

[mahina]

20. I posted it again

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213011039

Aloha

[Liberal In Texas]

13. That was scary. n/t

[struggle4progress]

19. It's irresponsible to devise scenarios for these thugs

[Boomerproud]

23. The magats have had their plan in place since day 1.

They're not stealing any scenarios from us. We need to tell them constantly that we"re onto them.

[ooky]

22. He isn't joking. He is planning it now and

conditioning the public for when it happens by floating the idea. I'm now convinced if he loses or thinks he is losing the election this is coming. And, he has no reason not to attempt it with a Republican Senate and an AG which has allowed allow him to act in a lawless way and do anything he wants without pushback. Now he's testing the limits of just how much he can get away with now that he knows he has the AG and the Senate in his pocket.

[smirkymonkey]

24. +1000

There is only one solution to this problem. But I can't say what it is unless I want to get a visit from the FBI. Well, two, actually. One is naturally occurring.

[ooky]

25. 3rd solution, we don't know yet if he will be successful. We only know that

the Constitutional traitors Republicans and Barr won't do anything to stop him.

The question is how that would all play out. I have no idea, but I'm prepping myself for the reality it can happen.

[mitch96]

27. It would be interesting if some brave soul in the MSM asked tRump that very question..

Mr Prez if you lost the general election would you leave office?
HA.. that would be a loaded question...
m

[Chainfire]

28. He won't have to worry about it

He will easily win the election because we have not given the people a viable candidate to unseat him. It will be Whore more years.

[Polybius]

29. "when Donald Trump loses in November?"

How are they so sure he'll lose? There's a good chance he outright wins. We don't even know our nominee yet.