I've been listening to Shock Doctrine again...

[Javaman]

it's been a few years. It's brought back way to many truly awful memories of george w. moron* and his room full of crooked dopes.

is trump worse than moron*? in someways very much so, in other ways, exactly the same. I think he's worse in his obvious nature of stupidity and outright in your face glib ego, but regarding his crooked dealings; I think where as trump is inherently crooked, I think the moron* was marginally crooked but surrounded himself with some of the worst of the worst criminal minds.

How can I say that, when so much illegality is going on right now?

the difference is this: trump - in your face, has no concept of subtlety . bush* - behind the scenes criminality that distracted the public by using 9/11 and the various wars as smoke screen tools.

both of them are of the same ilk.

[guillaumeb]

1. As to Bush, and criminality,

I would say Bush is and was a war criminal for lying the country into multiple wars to enhance his reelection chances.

[Javaman]

4. it's so much more than that. It was a criminal enterprise

just like now. all built upon the bullshit economics of milton friedman.

listen to shock doctrine. if you haven't; read it, if you have; read it again. I had forgotten so much.

the only difference is that chaney and rumsfeld were behind it all. and I think moron* just went along for the ride. (he was crooked as well but in different manner)

so much of what is happening today can be traced right back to those morons.

[guillaumeb]

5. Agreed.

My opinion, often stated here, is that the GOP is not a legitimate Party, and that many GOP voters do not believe in democracy.

[Wounded Bear]

2. It's the same criminals behind the curtain pulling the strings...

then and now. Both are generally clueless about day to day shit.

The real damage of the Trump era is what is being done to our country long term. Trump is just a convenient grifter. They let him make millions while they stock the courts with 1930's throwbacks.

[DonaldsRump]

3. W is responsible for the deaths of 100's of thousands of people

in Iraq and elsewhere. The Iraq War also really hurt the US's standing around the world, something that lingers today. Put aside overseeing the ruining of the US economy.

Trump is awful, but, IMHO, W was even worse.

This is kinda' like debating whether Hitler or Stalin was worse.

[ProfessorPlum]

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