Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 07:55 PM Feb 2020

Turkish army suffered mass casualties in an airstrike-could dramatically shift the course of war 👀

Last edited Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:28 PM - Edit history (1)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/world/middleeast/russia-turkey-syria-war-strikes.html

Airstrike Hits Turkish Forces in Syria

The Turkish army suffered mass casualties in an airstrike, Turkish officials say, an attack that could dramatically shift the course of the Syrian war.


By Carlotta Gall

Feb. 27, 2020

Updated 5:50 p.m. ET

ISTANBUL — The Turkish army suffered mass casualties in an airstrike in northwest Syria late Thursday, an attack that could dramatically change the course of the Syrian war.

At least 22 Turkish soldiers were killed, said Rahmi Dogan, the Turkish governor of the southern province of Hatay, where the Turkish casualties were arriving. News reports citing social media messages and the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a war monitoring group, put the number of Turkish dead as high as 34.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey held an emergency meeting Thursday evening in Ankara, Turkish media reported. He has been calling for Syrian government and Russia forces to cease their two-month offensive in Idlib Province and to pull back from Turkish positions, which have been encircled and cut off by Syrian government forces.

Turkish officials said the strike had been carried out by Syrian government forces, but Russian jets have been conducting most of the airstrikes in the area in recent weeks. Russian officials could not be reached for comment late Thursday.

</snip>


Just... wow. On top of everything else!



Olga Lautman @olgaNYC1211

Russia-Turkey are on the verge of war. 22 Turkish soldiers were killed with some reports being
higher after reports that Russian forces fired on Turkish soldiers in Idlib. There is also an unconfirmed report that Turkey has told the Russian ambassador to leave. Will update


AFP news agency ✔@AFP

#BREAKING Russia accuses Turkey of violating Syria deal, supporting rebels with artillery


5:13 PM - Feb 27, 2020
17 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Turkish army suffered mass casualties in an airstrike-could dramatically shift the course of war 👀 (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 OP
Ok Russia here we come? LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #1
Even though they've been accelerating the timetables Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #13
Oh, I know. I'm not saying we can't. LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #14
Does Article 5 apply if the attack didn't take place on the NATO member's territory? Adsos Letter Feb 2020 #2
It can't be invoked in this case Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #6
I'm reading that Turkey has invoked Article 4. Adsos Letter Feb 2020 #11
Of course. Turkish sovereignty over Igel Feb 2020 #15
Fuck around greenjar_01 Feb 2020 #3
Kick and recommend. This is really bad. bronxiteforever Feb 2020 #4
Umm didn't Turkey tell us to get out? MaryMagdaline Feb 2020 #5
Kick for info added to the OP Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #7
So this is what ERGODAN's request for a meeting with PUTIN was about, and was refused. UTUSN Feb 2020 #8
Will Turkey use its new S-400 moondust Feb 2020 #9
Hey Erdogan, this is what happens when you decide to fight yourself no_hypocrisy Feb 2020 #10
I think Turkey would win a hot war superpatriotman Feb 2020 #12
mass casualties? Sounds more like... stillcool Feb 2020 #16
Kick Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2020 #17
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
1. Ok Russia here we come?
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 07:57 PM
Feb 2020

I doubt it.

This will end NATO if it comes to that.

Trump will never threaten Putin.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
13. Even though they've been accelerating the timetables
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:55 PM
Feb 2020

Believe me when I say that Russia lacks the sufficient number of modern equipment, vehicles and weapons for any kind of sustained conflict.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
2. Does Article 5 apply if the attack didn't take place on the NATO member's territory?
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 07:58 PM
Feb 2020

There seems to be some disagreement about this. The casualties are arriving in Turkey's Hatay province, but the attack took place in Syrian territory.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
11. I'm reading that Turkey has invoked Article 4.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:51 PM
Feb 2020

Consultations with NATO allies to determine if Turkish sovereignty is threatened by Russian/Syrian action.

Igel

(35,304 posts)
15. Of course. Turkish sovereignty over
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 09:24 PM
Feb 2020

Syrian territory.

They're fighting to remain in Syria and protect "rebels", more than one group of which had been allied with the likes of al-qa'ida.

They're doing the Russian Donbas strategy against a neighbor they don't like. Mimicking Israel's West Bank strategy in Cyprus worked, so of course they thought this would work. Except that while the Palestinians are a tougher crowd than the Greeks, you don't want to piss off the Russians.

Erdogan will find that playing off the Russians against the other NATO allies, only to turn to them when the Russians don't play nice, isn't likely to work. (But, of course, we'll say, "It's just Trump ... and Macron ... and Merkel playing nice to their russki overlord. Don't listen to the fascists in Poland and the Baltics.&quot

no_hypocrisy

(46,101 posts)
10. Hey Erdogan, this is what happens when you decide to fight yourself
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 08:37 PM
Feb 2020

instead of letting the Kurds and our military do the work for you.

Did you truly believe that Syria and Russia would give you more land as a reward?

Buyer's regret?

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Turkish army suffered mas...