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Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:26 PM

CNN Breaaking News: First US Coronavirus death confirmed in Washington State.

MSNBC is reporting that it was a 19 year old male.

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Reply CNN Breaaking News: First US Coronavirus death confirmed in Washington State. (Original post)
mobeau69 Feb 2020 OP
FarPoint Feb 2020 #1
samnsara Feb 2020 #2
ck4829 Feb 2020 #74
SDANation Feb 2020 #3
mobeau69 Feb 2020 #5
SDANation Feb 2020 #6
mobeau69 Feb 2020 #10
Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #14
Thomas Hurt Feb 2020 #80
Pachamama Feb 2020 #36
SDANation Feb 2020 #42
Pachamama Feb 2020 #65
FarPoint Feb 2020 #82
lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #61
FarPoint Feb 2020 #8
Pachamama Feb 2020 #22
FarPoint Feb 2020 #34
SDANation Feb 2020 #24
FarPoint Feb 2020 #81
ck4829 Feb 2020 #71
uponit7771 Feb 2020 #76
Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #11
Ms. Toad Feb 2020 #20
Coventina Feb 2020 #21
SDANation Feb 2020 #27
Coventina Feb 2020 #28
SDANation Feb 2020 #37
Coventina Feb 2020 #41
CentralMass Feb 2020 #78
Coventina Mar 2020 #83
Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #30
SDANation Feb 2020 #39
Crunchy Frog Feb 2020 #62
lunatica Feb 2020 #68
malaise Feb 2020 #4
mobeau69 Feb 2020 #7
malaise Feb 2020 #9
madaboutharry Feb 2020 #16
LizBeth Feb 2020 #12
Ms. Toad Feb 2020 #18
dhol82 Feb 2020 #33
LizBeth Feb 2020 #47
dhol82 Feb 2020 #49
dhol82 Feb 2020 #52
LizBeth Feb 2020 #56
marybourg Feb 2020 #58
LizBeth Feb 2020 #59
SDANation Feb 2020 #43
LizBeth Feb 2020 #46
SDANation Feb 2020 #50
LizBeth Feb 2020 #54
SDANation Feb 2020 #55
LizBeth Feb 2020 #57
Iggo Feb 2020 #66
ck4829 Feb 2020 #72
Under The Radar Feb 2020 #13
ck4829 Feb 2020 #75
Windy City Charlie Feb 2020 #15
Ms. Toad Feb 2020 #17
Coventina Feb 2020 #23
Ms. Toad Feb 2020 #26
Coventina Feb 2020 #29
StarryNite Feb 2020 #63
maryellen99 Feb 2020 #31
SDANation Feb 2020 #45
Ms. Toad Feb 2020 #67
scarletlib Feb 2020 #60
wishstar Feb 2020 #19
Pachamama Feb 2020 #25
ck4829 Feb 2020 #73
uponit7771 Feb 2020 #77
captain queeg Feb 2020 #32
avebury Feb 2020 #35
maryellen99 Feb 2020 #38
Pachamama Feb 2020 #40
Baitball Blogger Feb 2020 #64
SDANation Feb 2020 #44
wishstar Feb 2020 #53
Hortensis Feb 2020 #48
TruckFump Feb 2020 #51
smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #69
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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:27 PM

1. And....

So it begins ....

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:30 PM

2. so the prez is going to comment about the virus death in my state...

..i will not listen. I will wait until KIRO or KING has their presser..

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Response to samnsara (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 07:50 PM

74. It's a hoax, remember?

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Response to SDANation (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:34 PM

5. You might want to read about the Spanish Flu epidemic in 1918-19.

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Response to SDANation (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:37 PM

10. Not yet.

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Response to SDANation (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:39 PM

14. Way to early to say that...

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 08:06 PM

80. How many people have to die before it is not "too early"?

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Response to SDANation (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:03 PM

36. That statement alone clearly shows your lack of understanding of the differences

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Response to SDANation (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:55 PM

65. I suggest you learn more about transmission rates, death rates and then see what happens and what

....the COVID-19 Virus means....

First of all - it was NOT 500 Million people who died worldwide from the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918-1920 - it INFECTED apron 500 Million, of which it is estimated that 20-50 MILLION were linked to dying of it - that is 4-10% of the number you quoted.

And no, we didn't have the ability in 1918-1920 to travel across the world in one day as we do now and in current rates. So cut the misinformation and mistruths and comparisons minimizing the COVID-19 virus and its ability to spread and become a deadly pandemic.

I won't even argue with you because you clearly don't understand it and you don't even know how to calculate CFR (Case Fatality Rates).

Every Epidemiologist will tell you that you have to calculate it based on "Cases with known outcomes". There are only at this time about half of the "Reported Cases" (and we don't know all cases, especially here in the US because there isn't testing going on). are considered to be "Cases with outcome and closed". That total of Closed cases with outcome is 42,371. Of that total, there have been 2923 deaths - which is a 7% CFR. That is very very high. The remaining 39,448 have been designated as rececovered and discharged with no symptoms.

That means meanwhile the other half of currently "reported" known cases, with "NO OUTCOME" and who are currently infected, 7816 are in Serious or Critical condition. That is 18% of cases with no outcome and based on data that WHO has collected so far, most of those patients had underlying conditions ranging from hypertension, diabetes, cancer, heart conditions etc. and they have a higher chance of dying. Based on the data over the last month, it is expected that at least 40-50% of that 7816 will die. So expect the number of dead to go up by at least another 3000-4000 in the next month. You are then looking at a CFR of the existing to date 85,206 known reported cases to be in the range of 7-10%.

This is much much higher than the 2% that they report it as being - but note that no one at WHO or NIH or CDC who is a scientist or medical professional will state that is an accurate number. It is because they know what I just explained to you. They know the CFR is closer to 7-10% and likely higher.

Meanwhile, the numbers coming out of Iran are believed to be inaccurate and they aren't accurately reporting. Expect those numbers to be much much higher and the infection rates to be continuing. WHO has a team being sent to Iran that will arrive with the assistance of the UAE on Monday. We will know more next week on a more realistic number out of Iran and its predicted to be anywhere from 4-10 times higher than what they have been reporting. Italy believes that the virus came to them from people traveling from Iran originally.

And here in US - expect over the next 2-4 weeks that all the people who have not only come into contact with people who came from Italy for Fashion week in NY, the memorial for Kobe Bryant, the HHS workers who walked amongst their communities after contact with the Diamond Princess evacuees, etc. to have been asymptomatic and spreading away.

And the numbers will jump. And we better hope that people are prepared for what is coming. And if we have an Administration that doesn't take appropriate measures and we don't start testing and taking drastic measures, the numbers will rise fast.

And I assure you....this virus based on what is known and what it can do in its transmission rate and ability to be airborne, live on hard surfaces, the way people travel globally, will result in a spread that will make the Spanish Flu look tame.

The CFR of the Spanish Flu was about 4-8%. COVID-19 CFR looks to be 7-10%. It also had a Ro (transmission rate) of 1-1.5 and COVID-19 is 2-3 Ro. Twice as high of spread transmission rate.

If even only 1 Billion people on this planet of our 7 Billion contract and are infected by the COVID-19 virus and we have even the 2% CFR they claim, that would be 20 Million people dead.

If the epidemiologists who know the CFR is really closer to 7-10% - well, you can do the math - you are looking 70-100 million dead per Billion people of population.

It is NOT less worrisome than the Spanish Flu, so please stop spreading this mistruth and misinformation that you clearly do not understand.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #65)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 09:38 PM

82. See my post.....as directed within the thread as a reply to another....

# 81....

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Response to SDANation (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:35 PM

61. Let's see....

highly infectious - check
fatality rate at least 2 or 3 percent - check
asymptomatic carriers - check (worse than Spanish Flu)
Probable origin in a virus that jumped spiecies in the animal kingdom - check
World wide spread - check
higher fatality rate with certain age groups - check (Spanish Flu, 20 and 30 year olds, Covid-19 over 60)

in about 2 months, COVID-19 has spread around the world, infected at least 89,000 people, closing in on killing 3,000... Apparently is spread by "distant contact" (with a few feet of an infected person, but no physical contact is needed)... is far worse than either of the other Corona virus outbreaks - MERS or SARS... and is just starting out (Spanish Flu lasted for 2 years or more).

Tell me again how this isn't like Spanish Flu? Oh, it hasn't killed 50 Million yet. Let's wait a while before we determine just how deadly COVID-19 really is.

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Response to SDANation (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:37 PM

8. You apparently lack insight

into the dynamics/ epidemiology of a pandemic outbreak.

Let me give you the bottom line facts....We all are at risk because we are NOT PREPARED.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:53 PM

22. +100000

Thank you for stating this....

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:01 PM

34. You are most welcome...

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Response to SDANation (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 09:37 PM

81. Google may be well versed....

The point you may need to take a serious look at...It is YOU...who is not well versed.....

My 6 year old grand daughter can spell, do a Google search and post a link all accurately….but, she may not be able to discuss the content of the link/data with comprehension of a 12 year old wherein she could discuss the content....I see a huge similarity in your post # 24...


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Response to FarPoint (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 07:49 PM

71. We really aren't

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 07:51 PM

76. This

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Response to SDANation (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:38 PM

11. We have four known cases in the US...one is dead, one is clinging to life and likely to die...that

is 50% in terms of death; maybe if Trump ET AL had gotten their act together and had a test that could have diagnosed people and stopped lying, the woman who died might not have died.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:50 PM

20. If you're talking about COVID 19 -

There are 68 known cases. I also think it was a male who died.

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Response to SDANation (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:52 PM

21. You are remarkably insensitive. Oh, and by the way, you were one that was saying

only the elderly die from this virus.

19 years old is hardly "elderly."

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Response to Coventina (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:57 PM

27. I don't think an age was reported? At least I didn't see one?

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Response to SDANation (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:58 PM

28. It's in the OP

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Response to Coventina (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:03 PM

37. Looked all over can't find anything to confirm that

MSNBC even said they don’t know anything about the patient? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo79708741750

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Response to SDANation (Reply #37)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:05 PM

41. Then maybe ask the OP where they got their information?

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Response to Coventina (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 08:00 PM

78. The patient was a man in his 50s who had underlying health conditions, according to Dr. Jeffrey Duch

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #78)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:11 AM

83. Well, then please take that up with the OP.

I was responding based on the info given by the OP.

It's still a remarkably insensitive post.

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Response to SDANation (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:59 PM

30. You sound like a Republican.

Stop parroting the Trump administration‘s lies.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:04 PM

39. From another source regarding an infected patient

“ The other presumed positive coronavirus test was a woman in her 50s from King County. Health officials said the woman traveled to Daegu, South Korea Feb. 7-23 and returned to Seattle to work Monday before she felt symptoms Tuesday. She reported her symptoms to health officials Wednesday and was tested for the virus Thursday.

Her results came back positive Friday.

Health officials said she is improving without any complications. The woman has not been in public since her symptoms started, the department said, and her husband is under home quarantine.”

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Response to SDANation (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:37 PM

62. The other patient reported from Washington State was described as a "teenager".

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 04:26 PM

68. I agree with you

I’ve already confronted a couple of DUers who are just plain callous and it’s like talking to a Republican. So I’ll support you on this one.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:33 PM

4. Now on M$NBComcast

Ah well - it's always the opposite of what the Con says.

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:36 PM

7. You mean it's not a hoax?

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:37 PM

9. Not a hoax and the miracle hasn't arrived either

He he's fucked up on both counts

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:44 PM

16. Ali Velshi can barely disguise his utter contempt for the Orange Man.

He said something like "all we have been listening to is nonsense - not from us - from The White House." Frown.

Here is a truth: No one cares what Trump says. No one will believe anything he says.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:38 PM

12. 19 yr olds are pretty healthy generally. They say this kills those that generally already have

health issues. The first death, a 19 yr old is kind of scary.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:46 PM

18. The overall death rate in this age range is higher than the seasonal flu

Yes, the death rate increaces with age - BUT - in every age range above 9, the death rate (.2% or higher) is higher than the average seasonal flu death rate (.13%)

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:00 PM

33. That was the case for the 1918 pandemic

Evidently, it was their strong immune system that went into overdrive and killed them.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:22 PM

47. That sounds almost like you are joshing me and I am a sucker. For real? I haven't heard that.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:24 PM

49. No, for real.

At least that is what I have read. I’ll try to find a link.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #52)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:30 PM

56. So interesting. Thank you.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:32 PM

58. Yes, for real. It's called a "cytokine storm".

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Response to marybourg (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:33 PM

59. Wow, that is something. Thanks.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:15 PM

43. Can't find anywhere the patient was 19 years old?

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Response to SDANation (Reply #43)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:22 PM

46. It is the only sentence in the text of the OP.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:25 PM

50. There is no where reporting it. OP doesn't have a source.

MSNBC even said they no nothing about the patient that died https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo79708741750

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Response to SDANation (Reply #50)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:30 PM

54. Trump is saying a 50's yr old woman. So, I do not know.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #54)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:30 PM

55. I saw that just now

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Response to SDANation (Reply #55)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:32 PM

57. Me too. Trump lies so much hard to believe him but surely he wouldn't lie about something THIS

obvious. Gotta figure they have this right. But, who knows. Thanks.

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Response to SDANation (Reply #50)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 04:08 PM

66. You're doing it on purpose. You're not stupid. Knock it off.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 07:49 PM

72. It is a little disturbing

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:39 PM

13. Wait! Kudlow said it was all under control!

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Response to Under The Radar (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 07:51 PM

75. Move along, nothing to see here

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:42 PM

15. No wonder...

No wonder the White House's mouthpieces want everyone to shut their TVs off, with news like this breaking.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:44 PM

17. But . . . but . . . it only affects the old.

Last edited Sat Feb 29, 2020, 04:51 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm not making light of the death. I'm just tired of the ostrich behavior by certain posters around here who were spreading the current Republican line (hoax, hysteria, hype), even before it became the Republican line.

We may find this person had pre-existing conditions - but this virus has been killing in every age range except 0-9 for quite a while now. The death rate for anyone above that age range is above the average death rate for seasonal influenze.

ETA: More recent information indicates the victim was 50 years old.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:53 PM

23. I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing from DUers that "only" the elderly need worry.

Like the one upthread mocking this death.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:57 PM

26. I didn't see that post until after I posted this -

but I posted it for the same reason.

I guess, on the bright side, there's hope now that posts poo-pooing the seriousness of COVID 19 mght be locked as spouting republican talking points.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:59 PM

29. The day that Rush called COVID 19 a cold,

that same poster posted the same thing.

Yeah, I think we need to start alerting on that shit.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:46 PM

63. Yes, it's wrong on many levels.

For one thing, All Lives Matter! But then isn't it typical of tRump's cult followers to be dismissive if a disease only affects older people? I guess they forget that their cult leader is also an older person.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:00 PM

31. I put that one on ignore

He sounds like the trump supporters on Twitter.

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Response to SDANation (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 04:21 PM

67. People are entitled to their own opinions -

not to their own facts.

The person to whom I was referring was someone who was asserting, as fact, things that were demonstrably false.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:33 PM

60. Viruses can and do evolve.

This virus is new to us. As it gets more into the population it can change over time. It can become more lethal or less so. It’s still a “young” virus as far as its relation to us is concerned. Probably better to be overly cautious in preparations and expectations rather than being caught short.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:49 PM

19. Italy went from just 1 known case to 900 cases and 20 deaths in less than 2 weeks

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Response to wishstar (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 02:56 PM

25. Was talking to a friend of my father's who is an Italian Caribienieri in Italy....

He says that they have been hearing from their sources that the Pope has likely contracted the Coronavirus.

I hope this isn't the case - he touches a lot of peoples hands and has met with groups of people who then go out and are around a lot of people.

I trust this friend of the family and he wouldn't say this unless he had some very good information....

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Response to wishstar (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 07:49 PM

73. Wow

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Response to wishstar (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 07:53 PM

77. Lack of preparation

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:00 PM

32. Is this the kid that just got diagnosed like a day or two ago?

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:01 PM

35. I was talking to my nextdoor neighbor earlier.

He thinks that it is overhyped and an excuse to create yet a new vaccine. And he thinks that only really old people (he is young) are at risk.

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Response to avebury (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:03 PM

38. People like your neighbor are going to be the reason this spreads like wildfire nt

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Response to avebury (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:04 PM

40. I suggest you "avoid" this neighbor and limit "contact"

He is at risk to become a super spreader and everyone that comes in contact with him

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #40)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:47 PM

64. +1

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:16 PM

44. Can't find anywhere it's being reported patient was 19

MSNBC is even reporting the know nothing about the patient that died other than it was a male.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo79708741750

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Response to SDANation (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:30 PM

53. Gov. Inslee's office apparently initially stated it was a male so may have been a mistaken report

the 19 may have been someone mistakenly hearing the 19 from a Coronovirus 19 reference

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:23 PM

48. So sad. Tragically avoidable IF that plane the Trump admin

insisted be brought in without proper precautions is the vector.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 03:26 PM

51. And the Orange Asshole is making it all about himself and his campaign

He could give a shit about doing the right thing for the people of this nation.

Fuck him and the Putin he rode in on!!!!!

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #51)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 04:30 PM

69. +1000

 

We could not be in worse hands.

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 07:49 PM

70. ...

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Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

Sat Feb 29, 2020, 08:02 PM

79. CNN is saying the patient was a male in his 50's with underlying health issues.

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