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misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
14. Who knew sanitizer sells could be so profitable?
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:39 PM
Mar 2020

I don't trust the market whatsoever. It is influenced so heavily by non-concrete forces, by anticipation of human emotion that it seems highly susceptible to suspect forces. "Market anxiety" just sounds shady.

2naSalit

(86,586 posts)
4. A Biden bump?
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:23 PM
Mar 2020

Things changed over the weekend. This could be temporary but if it comes out that SC primary revived hope, that is okay but I don't expect a rapid return to three weeks ago. If that happens I will be really suspicious.

Johonny

(20,842 posts)
12. Most investment houses are predicting a bad first quarter
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:56 PM
Mar 2020

You have to think there's plenty of bad news on earning sheets to come

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
8. I think they figured out that only a small percentage of people die from Coronavirus.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:27 PM
Mar 2020

Personally, I think this kind of correction was due. The market was overvalued and approaching 30k, and earnings were decent, but not spectacular.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
16. It's not deaths that affect the market
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 05:52 PM
Mar 2020

Wall Street investors don’t care about that. What they fear is the effect of the COVID virus on commerce, travel, and the market itself, all of which are disrupted badly. It’s about their bottom line.

Cognitive_Resonance

(1,546 posts)
10. Only a pause in the plunge, the next batch of bad news will certainly bring a resumption of selling
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:51 PM
Mar 2020

The market is roughly where it was last October. It's only given back the rally of the past four months. There's plenty of air left in the balloon. Today's action appears to involve some re-positioning driven by the likelihood of interest rates continuing to plunge toward zero (10-yr Treasury is barely above 1% today). There's buying of select dividend-paying defensive stocks including utilities, telecom, pharma as well as grocery and drugstore (maybe driven by panic buying of masks, wipes, disinfectant, package food, etc.).
The S&P 500 benchmark is still almost four times the level it was at the financial crisis bottom in 2009.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
11. I wouldn't bet the house on this recovery...there are too many issues in the air thus far, and...
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:54 PM
Mar 2020

this late stage buying is probably those who think that the market downturn has reached its bottom. Eh, IMHO, no.

Too many issues to deal w/, the deficits, the weakening of the economy in various areas (manufacturing is sluggish, the services industry is now slowing down), pathetic rump attempts to drive imports/exports as a means of driving agreements (which doesn't work), interest rates are always historically low, so if any impact from reducing the interest rate paid by bankers would be minimum. Inflation rates are creeping up too, probably as a result of too much money chasing after too few quality assets. A sign of perhaps a bubble economy?

Unemployment is already at its lowest in a while, and basically, any new economic expansion would need a revamping of the labor force (to make more efficient so more can be done w/ the existing labor pool), since immigration as a tool to bring in laborers is pretty well shot...if you don't believe me here, ask the farmers who've had to leave crops in the fields to rot, since they couldn't get workers to pick/harvest their crops. Farmers and/or ranchers have already been suffering quite a bit over recent years for record low prices for their harvests.

Like the late 1920s - early 1930s (the depression era), efforts were made then to attempt to drive the markets into positive areas by buying tons of securities in an effort to stem the downfall. It didn't work, and I suspect that it won't work too well here, being that there are too many negatives, too much is already invested in the markets as they are now (an oversized asset bubble) and there is a natural inclination that bubbles eventually resize themselves to the reality of the marketplace.

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