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live love laugh

(13,079 posts)
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:16 PM Mar 2020

I have zero faith in the looming election

Last edited Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:54 PM - Edit history (1)

The entire primary process has been manipulated by the right wing—from the too-early candidate declarations more than a year ahead of the actual election; to the pitted debates; to the caucus tampering and now to the inevitable vote suppression. The massive turnout—of many voters Super Tuesday was thwarted by making poll equipment unavailable.

How and why people continue to overlook the obstacles to simply voting is beyond me. Nothing is more important—not Trump’s next fiasco, or even the 400 bills on McConnells desk.

From 2000 to now we’ve been shocked by vote tampering and suppression; wept at fixed election outcomes only to turn our sights to the next rigged election.

Insanity still means doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

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I have zero faith in the looming election (Original Post) live love laugh Mar 2020 OP
I'm still voting blogslut Mar 2020 #1
So will I. I just wish I could be more confident in the integrity. live love laugh Mar 2020 #6
You're assuming Democrats are doing absolutely nothing to mitigate this lunatica Mar 2020 #2
I am aware of some efforts and even of the court live love laugh Mar 2020 #8
2018 is precedent. maxsolomon Mar 2020 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author TwilightZone Mar 2020 #4
it's too bad that people.... stillcool Mar 2020 #5
Thank you for your concern gratuitous Mar 2020 #7
exactly ibegurpard Mar 2020 #12
The point of my commentary is to voice my frustration live love laugh Mar 2020 #14
I'm not sure blob will suvive to November? Brainfodder Mar 2020 #9
👍🏾 live love laugh Mar 2020 #11
Are you saying many young people walked away randr Mar 2020 #10
I understand the suspicion that my intent is to discourage voters. live love laugh Mar 2020 #16
The way things are set up leads to suspicion randr Mar 2020 #19
if they could vote through social media Nature Man Mar 2020 #20
There should be a method of voting that is as easy and accoutable as spending money randr Mar 2020 #22
I share your frustration with our failure to address voter suppression pat_k Mar 2020 #13
Excellent article--and that was from 2017. nt live love laugh Mar 2020 #15
You're far more aware than most, but what do you imagine Hortensis Mar 2020 #17
I was heartened by the use of paper ballots kskiska Mar 2020 #18
Are you sure there will even BE an election in November? clementine613 Mar 2020 #21
Soooo... we should just stay home? Giving up? NurseJackie Mar 2020 #23

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
2. You're assuming Democrats are doing absolutely nothing to mitigate this
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:21 PM
Mar 2020

That’s too bad, because you’re wrong.

live love laugh

(13,079 posts)
8. I am aware of some efforts and even of the court
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:36 PM
Mar 2020

cases in a few states. I’ve contributed $$ to the cause as well.

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
3. 2018 is precedent.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:23 PM
Mar 2020

No one is LESS pissed at President Sociopath now. I've never been angrier in my life. I'd vote for a Yellow Dog with a D after it's name, but that's all I've ever done.

the key will be GOTV.

Response to live love laugh (Original post)

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
5. it's too bad that people....
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:32 PM
Mar 2020

care more about one person getting elected, than about how their own frigging states are run. Why is that? Where was the vote 'thwarted'? California? Did the wrong person win?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. Thank you for your concern
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:32 PM
Mar 2020

Do you mind if the rest of us go through the motions, or are you going to stand in the way and scold us?

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
12. exactly
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:37 PM
Mar 2020

what's the point of stuff like this? I think we're all aware of voter suppression tactics. Is the solution to give up and not vote because they're not going to let us? That seems to be the point of commentary like this and it pisses me off.

live love laugh

(13,079 posts)
14. The point of my commentary is to voice my frustration
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:53 PM
Mar 2020

about the situation. I’m absolutely not advocating giving up. I plan to do all I can. I just don’t see much of an effort to change things so that the will of the people is reflected at the polls.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
9. I'm not sure blob will suvive to November?
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:36 PM
Mar 2020

The closed eyes, the nasal breathing strips, some virus the media won't cover....

OK, that last one is a trump.

trump = to lie when it is not necessary.

Good luck, we are in this together.

randr

(12,409 posts)
10. Are you saying many young people walked away
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:37 PM
Mar 2020

because they could not wait? Where is the proof? So far I have only seen reporting of lines in Latino districts in L.A. and Texas. All reporting said these people waited it out and subsequently voted.
You may want to check your facts and make sure you are not a victim of right wing nonsense.

live love laugh

(13,079 posts)
16. I understand the suspicion that my intent is to discourage voters.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:00 PM
Mar 2020

That’s not the case. I’m just posting what I see and hoping for some miracle I guess—to fix it all.

randr

(12,409 posts)
19. The way things are set up leads to suspicion
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 06:23 PM
Mar 2020

Imagine if we trusted our election system as much as our accounting systems.
Imagine the chaos if a large percentage of people showed up to vote.
I have had these and more questions all my long life. In the end, I have always held faith that the votes of those who bothered to show up were accurately counted and we move on.
Could the system be better? Of course!
Until enough people elect enough reps to change things they will stay the same.

randr

(12,409 posts)
22. There should be a method of voting that is as easy and accoutable as spending money
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:15 PM
Mar 2020

Maybe Bloomberg could invent one that works. The system he made his fortune on is not so different from what is needed.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
13. I share your frustration with our failure to address voter suppression
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:42 PM
Mar 2020

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Lines are the new poll tax. I think they may exact an even steeper "price" and barrier to voting.

You might like this old 2016 post of mine

LINES need to = FINES for SOS/County

Nobody seems to have done any sort of real study, but it wouldn't surprise me if at least 1 in 10 voters who shows up to vote and is confronted with a very long line just leaves without voting.

It really upsets me when I see others condemning people who are unwilling or unable to wait. It's not a lack of dedication. No one should have to choose between getting to work on time and voting, or picking up children and voting, or getting out to socialize, or writing a paper, or getting enough sleep, or whatever. There should be NO barriers to casting a vote. None! When there are barriers, the election is neither free or fair.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. You're far more aware than most, but what do you imagine
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:02 PM
Mar 2020

doing instead of the "insanity" of fighting to uphold our democracy by insisting on elections? Read about how to survive in an authoritarian state, learn to cut down old clothes and shop at black markets, try to erase amap of our internet identity, accept increasingly third-world healthcare as the norm, and practice looking down whenever a cop drives by?

We're a majority (!), but voter weakness and fecklessness brought us again to this point.

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Our job is to fight our conviction, rediscovering it if it's lost. Our grandparents did. No reason we each can't also except our own weakness.


kskiska

(27,045 posts)
18. I was heartened by the use of paper ballots
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:18 PM
Mar 2020

when I voted Saturday in South Carolina, though there are so many other ways for them to cheat.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
23. Soooo... we should just stay home? Giving up?
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:19 PM
Mar 2020
Insanity still means doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.


Stop it.
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