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Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:11 PM

America punished Elizabeth Warren for her competence

Excellent and heartbreaking article in The Atlantic that, unfortunately, spells out exactly where America stands with regard to accomplished and capable women. We have very far to go.

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/03/america-punished-elizabeth-warren-her-competence/607531/

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Reply America punished Elizabeth Warren for her competence (Original post)
dlk Mar 2020 OP
beachbumbob Mar 2020 #1
J_William_Ryan Mar 2020 #4
Initech Mar 2020 #13
leftstreet Mar 2020 #14
HotTeaBag Mar 2020 #15
LizBeth Mar 2020 #2
beachbumbob Mar 2020 #6
LizBeth Mar 2020 #8
beachbumbob Mar 2020 #9
LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #3
pattyloutwo Mar 2020 #5
beachbumbob Mar 2020 #7
LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #10
beachbumbob Mar 2020 #11
LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #12
Reader Rabbit Mar 2020 #16
LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #17
smirkymonkey Mar 2020 #18
AncientGeezer Mar 2020 #19
abqtommy Mar 2020 #20
Fla_Democrat Mar 2020 #21

Response to dlk (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:13 PM

1. america didn't "punish" any one. We simply did not like her chances of winning in Nov

that was a certainty.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:17 PM

4. True

Getting rid of Trump is the sole priority.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:39 PM

13. I'm convinced that we won't have a female president in my lifetime.

The one chance we actually had at achieving that got crushed in favor of a dipshit reality TV show host by a right wing news network with help from two hostile foreign powers. Sigh...

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Response to Initech (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:42 PM

14. The first female POTUS will probably be a GOPer

Decades of media demonization of 'liberals' have extra-dirtied the field for Democratic women

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:45 PM

15. Jeez, that's an interesting thought.

 

And you're probably absolutely correct.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:15 PM

2. Both Harris and Warren. Their success was used as a weapon against them.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:23 PM

6. by whom? The bogeyman?

victimization is a poor excuse for explaining why any candidate fails. candidates fail because of many reasons.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:25 PM

8. Right bob

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:27 PM

9. hey you made the claim. who did them in?

how did "we" turn on them based on their success? This is tiresome victimization

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:16 PM

3. The sexism was so apparent.

 

I'm so disappointed to be looking at a field of old white men and knowing Trump will be the youngster in the race. It is sad.

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Response to LaurenOlimina (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:19 PM

5. Yes

We need fair representation. She’s amazing, what a loss.

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Response to LaurenOlimina (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:24 PM

7. so let trump win and see how disappointed you be then

for crying out loud.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:29 PM

10. How is this remotely productive?

 

You are mad women perceive sexism in the way she was treated? What exactly are you championing there Bob?

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Response to LaurenOlimina (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:32 PM

11. SOME women are and many don't see it that way too

I championing that people decide and when decisions don;t turn out for who support, claiming sexism and playing the victim card creates more harm for women in the future.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:33 PM

12. Yup, you are what the Atlantic article is talking about.

 

So sad.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:56 PM

16. Typical silencing technique

I asked a woman and she said it's okay.



Summary: women are not interchangeable

-the other woman might not be a feminist
-the other woman might be sexist, or benefit from patriarchal bargaining
-the other woman might not feel empowered to tell what she really thinks

-making this argument employs the male privilege to choose which woman's opinion is more convenient
- making this argument reveals an attitude that one will choose the most convenient woman to represent the whole of women
- making this argument represents an implied challenge: "[the woman I approve of] has no trouble with $PHENOMENON -- are you [not worthy of my approval]?"

-dismissing any person's opinion by simple contradiction is disrespectful.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 06:18 PM

17. Its a global problem.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/mar/05/nine-out-of-10-people-found-to-be-biased-against-women?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2FCOVeKqeVthSGze04BsTTIqvnjwXkObuPjn6Y1glmC8kVeN_0jsR-FRU#Echobox=1583408103

"Almost 90% of people are biased against women, according to a new index that highlights the “shocking” extent of the global backlash towards gender equality.

Despite progress in closing the equality gap, 91% of men and 86% of women hold at least one bias against women in relation to politics, economics, education, violence or reproductive rights."

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Response to LaurenOlimina (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 06:23 PM

18. +1000

Thank YOU!

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 06:35 PM

19. Not "America"...our party. "America" didn't get a chance to vote for her..becuase we didn't.

 

My choice was Amy....but I'm in NY so I never got to vote for her before she suspended before NY votes.

All the women(viable) were eliminated by Us...Harris, Klobachar, Warren.....we did that...Not "America" because we are months away from November...where "America" would have a say.

3 highly qualified & capable women were sent packing by Us...and after 2016..I don't get that.
Noooo.... let's do a couple of previous runners(that lost)....maybe they will pick one of the women as a step up....to garner votes.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 06:59 PM

20. I'd say the "Some Americans" punished Elizabeth. "America" not so much... language matters.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 07:02 PM

21. This was a Democratic primary, right?






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