Rmoney on MTP today: "I will appoint judges who wil overturn Roe v Wade"

[malaise]

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I will appoint judges who will overturn Roe v Wade.

[enough]

1. Shout it from the rooftops. (nt)

[flamingdem]

28. +100

[victoriajohn]

2. Spam deleted by EarlG (MIR Team)

[trumad]

3. Alerted---Spam

[peacebird]

101. Victoriajohn, a one post wonder.... LOL!

[CanonRay]

5. Huh?

WTF?

[Generic Brad]

4. I thought he was there to talk about the economy

Or was that Ann Romney's answer the other day?

[malaise]

11. LOL

He had to answer the question

[kardonb]

91. I thought ....

This idjit sure acts like he WANTS to LOSE the election . We will do him that favor , gladly .

[rucky]

6. Every republican candidate says this to get the fundie vote

But they'd never actually go through with it. If they were serious about it, it would already have been overturned - then what would they run on?

[still_one]

12. bull, they mean to do just that, and to assume because it hasn't been done so far means they don't

mean it ,is wrong

Just look at what they have been trying to do in a lot of state on this issue.

The justices both george bush junior and senior appointed would have no problem overturning roe, and neither would romney's appointments if he were elected

After the past 20 years I am amazed that you would even believe what you said

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. Bull. They are ramping up, even as we discourse:

[heaven05]

32. and

as women go so shall every 'other' than...

[freshwest]

86. Roe v. Wade won't matter if sufficient states outlaw women's rights. It'll be defacto prohibition.

Roe v. Wade was about a state being able to prohibit. They've now defunded, stigmatized, humiliated and criminalized almost every act a woman can take to maintain her freedom to live her life in those states in the way that she chooses.

From refusing to allow the ACA to expand Medicaid for all forms of care, firing anyone who consults on abortions, prohibiting them from performing abortions, allowing doctors, hospitals and pharmacists to refuse to honor prescriptions for birth control and morning after pills, mandating invasive that only apply to women against their will to suit religious lawmakers, to ordering that women not be told by doctors when their pregnancy is dangerous to their lives like tubal pregnancies, to prohibiting ER's from saving their lives if in danger by giving birth, allowing employers and insurers to question their sex lives as terms of receiving either...

The list goes on, but Roe v. Wade is becoming a moot issue, like voting while urban, minority or Democrat. This is gaining momentum, and with the Ayn Rand twins in power, we haven't seen anything yet. Study the Taliban to see the future they have planned for us.

[ananda]

23. That's not true.

There are many judges out there who WOULD overturn R v W.

[MH1]

47. WRONG. It takes a long time to remake the Supreme Court. They are almost there.

If Romney gets in, expect it to happen.

The guy doesn't have a moral fiber in his body, and will do whatever his owners tell him to do.

[randome]

59. It's a different environment now than before.

Because of demographics and the GOP's 'war on women', this is entirely the wrong thing for a conservative candidate to say.

[KharmaTrain]

7. He Has To Keep The Haters Energized...

That's the 50.1% solution for Willard...and one that seems to be falling apart. This means he needs every racist, fundie and anyone else they can convince to hate Obama to show up at the polls. It's going to be a combination of racist dogwhistles and kissing up to the "bases" Bishop Willard thinks he needs to get just enough votes (or close enough to steal) in enough states.

One thing I wish not only President Obama but other speakers (especially President Clinton) failed to hit on during the DNC...how there will be one or several vacancies on the SCOTUS and how electing Mittens would be a disaster of civil rights across the social spectrum.

[malaise]

13. You're right but Bishop WilLIARd cannot win

People are not that stupid

[KharmaTrain]

21. Unfortunately...

We'll see 40% of the electorate IS that stupid and even more who won't vote for the Bishop will for other teabaggers.

[WinstonSmith4740]

49. You and Malaise hit on something we all knew.

It should be a serious part of this debate, and I think the Obama campaign should start using it. Bishop Romney. He's not just a man of faith, he's not just a Mormon, he's a highly placed official of his church. In fact, he's a step above Bishop, he's a Stake President...they answer to him.

This is beyond JFK being a Catholic. This would place him above a priest, somewhere around a Bishop in the church. (It's been a long time since I've been a Catholic, so those of you who still belong, feel free to correct me on this!) Even those that hold to the fantasy that "this is a Christian country" should have a hard time swallowing this. Just for starters, they don't accept Mormons, Catholics, or anyone who doesn't follow their version of The Bible, or for that matter, their version of anything, as Christian.

ALL major religions have some very squirrely beliefs inbedded in them, and while a lot of followers will accept them without question, a larger number will not only question, but will simply live their lives according to what is best for them. For instance, my parents were life-long Catholics, but like the other 98%, they used birth control. They donated what they could, which did not always jibe with what the church wanted. Paul Ryan obviously has no problem with ignoring Christ's teachings on how we treat the poor. But I do think that most people would balk at having a highly placed church official (regardless of the church) heading the government.

Obama should start using Romney's "Bishop" title. What are the rethugs gonna do? Accuse him of being respectful?

[KharmaTrain]

56. Surrogates Yes...President Obama No...

Thank you for noticing...and I do not use the term Bishop as a slam but as a reference to his standing within his church. Jesse Jackson has long been refered to by his title and I see this as a respectful term. Now if he's been promoted...then maybe I should use that title instead.

The religious angle is one he's played fast and loose with. As we know, his being a member of the LDS church is a big negative among many rushpublican voters and it'll be interesting on election day if their racism and hatred of the "colored fella" will be superceded by their distrust of a guy who wears magic underwear. I think we're already seeing a big disconnect between what people are telling pollsters and what they'll do when it comes to voting (a reason I think the gender gap will be bigger on election day than its showing right now).

It is important to also note the hypocrisy of Willard's positions and those of his church and others and how many faiths have been coopted by political opportunists.

I don't think President Obama should or needs to use this title, but I would like to see some of the pundits (Reverend Al) use it on the teevee...

Thank you for the shout out and cheers!

[WinstonSmith4740]

67. Good point.

Surrogates Yes...President Obama No...

It's not like we're dealing with rational people who would take it as a sign of respect. And this...it'll be interesting on election day if their racism and hatred of the "colored fella" will be superceded by their distrust of a guy who wears magic underwear is just funny as hell, and right on the nose! I've seen an awful lot of interviews with the "true believers" saying they'll never vote for a Mormon. I can see them now in the voting booths tossing a coin hoping there's third side so they don't have to vote for either one. My guess is they'll stay home on election day, or go for a 3rd party write-in, like Ron Paul. I sure hope so, anyhow.

[malaise]

79. I agree with you 100% except for Obama calling him Bishop

KharmaTrain is right on that one

[Diclotican]

105. malaise

malaise

Enought people voted for George Walker Bush jr twice - so I guess it is enough people out there willing to vote for Romney too...

Diclotican

[Heather MC]

8. This should be called out for being illegal

You are saying you will appoint judges that will already know the outcome of cases they have never heard before?

what the hell is wrong with our country?

ugh they make me sick

[MADem]

10. +1,000,000! nt

[malaise]

16. Excellent point but illegal is to ReTHUGs as

Pope is to Catholic.

[treestar]

71. [phone]

[socialindependocrat]

94. Yes, our "leaders" are bought and paid for...

The Repubs give money to the rich and wealthy

The Dems they say are bought, too.

The SCOTUS passed Citizens United - now the Koch brothers are trying to buy the country
This is like cornering the market - the WHOLE market!

The SCOTUS votes 4 to the left and 4 to the right
The only guy doing his job decides all the cases.
These people are supposed to judge based on the law of the land
but only one of them does.

What happened to any oversight or the ethics committee?
Why don't the DAs for the states write a statement and try to step in?
I guess they are paid for, too.

So, there you have it

The only thing to do is to vote so hard that there will be no guestion that Obama is reelected

This is the most angry I've been over the unfairness of our elected officials
and their lack of respect for the people of the United States!

[Cosmocat]

103. As with EVERYTHING else with Rs vs Ds

If a D candidate out right said they would appoint SCJs specifically to rule in some manner, they would be DEAD as politicians.

[onenote]

106. I agree that if President Obama announced he would appoint judges that would overturn CU

the RW would be all over him. But we'd have his back (as we would if the President announced that he would appoint judges that will uphold Roe.) So I'd step back from characterizing it as "illegal".

[pinto]

9. Well, so much for the Repub "concerns" about activist judges...

[still_one]

14. +++++1

[malaise]

18. It's never activism when it supports the ReTHUG

agenda.

[bulloney]

41. You've got that right. Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito.

All appointed by Republican presidents. Tell me they haven't been activist judges and I'll laugh you out of the room.

[malaise]

42. We'd both be ROFL

[HughBeaumont]

104. Don't forget Kennedy, also a Reagan appointee.

People need to stop pretending this guy's a "Swing Vote". To everything that matters (especially unleashing Bewsh 43 on America), he's sided with the Corporate-purchased politburo.

[MoonRiver]

15. Haven't watched it yet, but that pretty much says it all.

[barnabas63]

17. So MTP has played on the east coast?

Not on for another hour on the west coast, but I thought they played it live....guess not?

[malaise]

20. Just finished

I watch the Miami feed

[DonViejo]

30. Recorded yesterday

NBC released a teaser of the interview yesterday.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/08/816571/romney-rips-paul-ryan-calls-running-mates-vote-for-defense-cuts-a-big-mistake/

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. They record on Friday

[chuckstevens]

22. Yeah Sure

What people don't get is that the Republicans have used the argument for 40 years and yet when they've had the opportunity to overturn the law, NOTHING EVER HAPPENS. They have no intention of actually carrying through with it. Millions of ring-wing Christians get suckered by this pitch every election year while there pockets get picked by the Uber-wealthy. Why was Rove v. Wade not overturned during W's two terms, when the GOP had most of Congress and the Supreme Court on their side?

Think about it: If Rove v. Wade is overturned, millions of people will no longer have a reason to vote Republican.

[dreampunk]

24. I think you've hit the nail

right on the head Chuck! They're all ABOUT the dog whistles that their base falls for time and time again, BUT, even if they can't or won't overturn anything, just SAYING the shit they say should turn most women's stomaches after the long long struggles for women's rights.

[Webster Green]

26. That's been true in the past, but things have changed.

They are on it these days. They have definitely stepped up the war on women recently.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

34. Even if Roe v Wade's safe, I don't want him appointng the KIND of judges who'd support repealing it.

God knows what other bad judgements we'd get out of that.

[MH1]

53. Not true: "If Rove v. Wade is overturned, millions of people will no longer have a reason to vote Re

You say, "If Rove v. Wade is overturned, millions of people will no longer have a reason to vote Republican. "

This is not true. Abortion is only the beginning. Haven't you been paying attention? The to-do list includes (at least):

* banning contraception that can in any way be considered abortifacient, even if erroneously. (condoms might survive, until they figure out how to make sperm fall under "personhood" once they've made contact with lady parts.)
* regaining ground in their fight against homosexuality. The tide may have turned in public opinion, but evangelicals STILL think legalization /equal rights of homosexuality will literally doom "this great nation".
* rescinding any and all ground women have gained on the equal treatment front, under the guise of "supporting traditional families" - i.e. making sure women are more and more likely to remain barefoot and pregnant and NOT in the work force; or if in the work force, in "women's work" type jobs.

And I could go on. I have a close relative who is a fundamentalist, and I guarantee you, their goals do NOT stop with Roe v. Wade. And if the Republicans could pull off that "achievement", you would bring back to voting republican many of the more extreme evangelicals who currently vote 3rd party (like Constitution party for instance) rather than republican.

[NYC Liberal]

60. That used to be true. Not anymore.

The Republican party today absolutely would overturn Roe v. Wade. Just look at the bills that have been passed by Repub-controlled state legilsatures over the past 10 years. Look at what's been passed by them in the House. Their line will be that, "We can't let it become legal again."

And there are many more red meat issues for them.

[Progressive dog]

25. If anyone believes that a RW supreme court would no overturn Roe vs Wade

I have a bridge that you could buy and two words for you-"citizens united."

[A Simple Game]

36. I believe a right wing supreme court would not overturn Roe vs. Wade.

And I will use your same two words but condense them into one. VOTES. Money buys votes, and Rove vs. Wade buys votes. Without both there is no GOP.

[libinnyandia]

45. They hav 4 votes now. One new justice appointed by Romney and they'll have 5. That's all they'll

need.

[A Simple Game]

62. They could have six, I don't think it would matter. Without Roe vs Wade to

get the majority of religious voters to the polls the Republicans would be done on the national level.

[libinnyandia]

73. If they could decide that corporations are people, they can reverse Roe v Wade.

[A Simple Game]

88. Yes they could reverse it. But I don't think they will for the same reason they passed

citizens united, to help the Republicans win elections. Citizens united give the Republicans enough money to win and Roe vs Wade gives them enough votes. No Roe vs Wade, not enough motivation for many Republican voters to go to the polls, or even worse, to start voting for Democratic candidates.

The upper crust of the Republican party are not moralists or idealists that even care about abortion, they are just plain greedy and power hungry. I imagine if their wife, daughter, or mistress needed an abortion, there would be no problem with them having one.

[libinnyandia]

95. If Romney wins and his appointees don't join with Roberts, Alito, Thomas and Scalia to overturn Roe

v Wade, the anti abortion people would rebel. The GOP efforts in so many states to kill abortion rights shows how important the issue is for so many in the GOP base. All it would take is 1 appointee to counter Kennedy. It could happen.

[A Simple Game]

109. It could and already could have for a while under Bush.

But lets hope we don't ever find out if it would happen.

[libinnyandia]

110. Kennedy prevented it from happening. One more conservative would give the anti-abortion bloc the

vote they need.

[MH1]

54. I think your gravely mistaken. Please see my post #53

Here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1306238

[A Simple Game]

61. The only place I hear of contraception being a problem is on TV or the radio.

I have friends that want abortion banned but none care about contraception.

I tell them the Republicans will never over turn Roe vs Wade because they would stop voting for Republicans. They all agree with me. One of the smarter ones does say "you mean like why the Democrats will never give you single payer health care?" They aren't all completely stupid.

[coalition_unwilling]

69. I'm not a Constitutional law expert but, IIRC, Roe v. Wade builds upon an

earlier 1964 case (Griswold v. New Hampshire) that found an inherent 'right of privacy' in the Constitution for the purposes of ending the states' power to outlaw contraception.

Reason I mention this is that a SCOTUS ruling overturning Roe v. Wade could also theoretically reverse Griswold, thereby stripping the 'right of privacy' and pissing all over 'stare decisis' (the legal doctrine that says extra weight and scrutiny must be given to a legal precedent before reversing it). Once Griswold were reversed, the door would be open to states to resume regulating and even outlawing contraception.

Far-fetched, I admit, but at least within the realm of possibility.

[Progressive dog]

57. Yes they will

Citizens United already gave them the money.

[NRaleighLiberal]

27. Any other big surprises from the Caress The Mitt episode? Can't/didn't watch!

[malaise]

78. He disagreed with his VP candidate re

cuts to the military

[davidwparker]

29. He's locked in the rabid right, but just lost Independent women. n/t

[progressivebydesign]

52. their strategy now is to lock in the HARD CORE right... and the Nascar, evangelicals.

I've noticed a huge shift in their plans. While the stupid PACs are trying to woo the Pres. Obama voters, Romney has pretty much decided that his only strategy is to keep the evangelicals and racists from staying home. (that's why he made sure that Pat Robertson was VERY visible at his last speech.

[spanone]

31. didn't watch, but i'm sure david gregory challenged mitt on his tax returns, right?

[malaise]

43. I hope you weren't holding your breath

[spanone]

46. if so, i'm dead.

[bulloney]

33. How far did Gregory shove his face up Romney's ass for the smooching session on today's MTP?

I can't stand watching the show any more since that Howdy Doody face took over the program. I quit watching when I saw it becoming a sounding board for the Right. And the stats bear that out. I recently read where around 75% of the interviews were with Republicans. When I see the Sunday morning talk show lineups, I consistently see MTP lining up several Republicans to one or two Democrats.

[IggleDoer]

35. Let's put it this way.

RMoney won't need another colonoscopy for another 10 years.

[bulloney]

37. I figured as much. Any specific examples of Gregory's softball questions?

[TahitiNut]

44. Press The Meat is just a weekly GOP handjob.

Gregory is far above his Peter Principle maximum ... owing to his ability to fellate GOPhers while softening the balls.

[lunatica]

38. If that isn't a right in your face warning to make you go vote

Then you're hopeless.

[spanone]

39. then guess what mitt, they won't get confirmed.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

48. The only thing related to Rmoney

that will get overturned is his failure at yet another run for the Presidency.

He's done after this, but there should be no let-up on his tax returns. STRONG debate point.

[intersectionality]

50. Is there a link to this somewhere???

I can't find anything that indicates he explicitly says he will appoint judges who will overturn Roe v. Wade, just follow-ups about how he wants judges who respect 'the real constitution' and ridiculous shit like that. I'd love to have a verbatim quote on this so that I can broadcast this to all of my friends. Thanks for anyone that can get that for me!

[Native]

70. I watched it and missed that comment as well. I'd love a link too.

[Native]

72. link http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014223708

[progressivebydesign]

51. Can I suggest an edit? Romney on MPT: "I will appoint judges who wil overturn Roe v Wade"

Really would work well for the front page of DU and help people see how dangerous that guy is to choice.

[MH1]

55. I agree, Edit the title so that it is clear.

As said upthread, shout it from the rooftops.

[malaise]

87. Done

Thanks

[madamesilverspurs]

58. grrrrrrrr......

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[Kurovski]

76. He looks like a cheese ball infomercial host.

Dressed like an Amway scamster pullin' them in at the off-ramp Howard Johnson.

[malaise]

80. Nice

[porphyrian]

63. . n/t

[babulgame]

64. Spam deleted by Paulie (MIR Team)

[babulgame]

66. Spam deleted by Paulie (MIR Team)

[Iliyah]

65. Another way of keeping the population down

start wars where Mittens will send our children to war for profit all the while keeping his children safe so they can reproduce.

[malaise]

81. They even use surrogates to bear the babies

[elleng]

68. And they're going to tell him and us and the Senate Judiciary Committee that, right???

That is no judge, idjot!

[indivisibleman]

74. hmmm. where have I heard that before?

I will appoint judges who will overturn Roe v Wade. -Reagan
I will appoint judges who will overturn Roe v Wade. -George H. W. Bush
I will appoint judges who will overturn Roe v Wade. -George W. Bush

[Kurovski]

77. And they all did.

Now they'll have enough of them if 'Romster gets in.

[Kurovski]

75. Even though he's a goddamn liar, it's too late in the game to second-guess that over-paid prick.

K&R

[malaise]

82. The good news is that he won't be winning

shite

[Kurovski]

83. I'm with you.

So much so, that I daresay if he out and out stole it through election fraud, it woulkd be as obvious as the boobs sweating in Rush Limbaugh's polo.

[malaise]

84. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahah

[Kurovski]

85. heyheyhey!

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Edited because I can.

[Kurovski]

89. I think Rush is here today!

He likes to spend Sunday afternoons with us, especially now that his Lovely (no sarcasm) wife is good and sick of him.

[malaise]

90. Wish I knew his user name

I could have some real fun

[Kurovski]

92. Well nowwwwwww...

you just nnnnnevvvver knoooooooooww.

[Raine]

93. Oh sure and deprive themselves of an issue they use to rake in bucks from the suckers? No

they've been using it for decades and will continue for decades. Look how they miss Russia and the Soviet Union, worst thing Ronnie "did" was to "tear down the wall and end communism". They're full of SHIT!

[malaise]

100. So Bin Laden was their new Russia and the fact that Obama got rid of him means

that Rmoney had to resurrect Russia.

[radhika]

96. He just tossed out Judicial Independence with that statement

He just announced a litmus test for every judicial appointee. "do my bidding on Roe V Wade...plus this entire list conservative high command has handed me".

Senate Repugs would be fine with that.

[Liberal_in_LA]

97. well there you go, he's said it. Needs to be in Dem ads

[tavalon]

98. And this is why if he has good handlers, they will drug him and put a microphone in his ear

for the debates. That man can't seem to understand that off the cuff remarks like that are not going to win him anything but the idiots who were going to vote for him anyway and it's going to cause a Todd Akin shit storm.

[leftyohiolib]

99. this is what ive been saying this election is about scotus scotus scotus

[tanyev]

102. Mitt Romney’s Sister Assures Female Voters: ‘He’s Not Going To Be Touching’ Abortion

Aug. 29, 2012

Mitt Romney’s sister assured “Women for Mitt” that if her brother is elected President, he won’t pursue the anti-abortion policies he espouses on the campaign trail.

In an interview with National Journal, Mitt’s sister Jane Romney said that her brother won’t “be touching” the issue of abortion:


Mitt Romney would never make abortions illegal as president, Jane Romney said when National Journal asked her about the subject after a “Women for Mitt” event. “He’s not going to be touching any of that,” she said. “It’s not his focus.”

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/08/29/767941/mitt-romneys-sister-assures-female-voters-hes-not-going-to-be-touching-abortion/

[JDPriestly]

107. And how many women would die?

How many women would face sterility and never being able to have a healthy child?

How many women will refuse to vote for Romney because they need the right to choose?

[Blue Yorker]

108. Is that a quote?

Or rearranged words?

[zellie]

111. You aren't going to get the chance....asshole.

nt