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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo NBC just showed a coronavirus US map that was
Way different than any I have seen. Showed 24 cases now in TX. Didn't see any methodology explained from NBC.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-u-s-map-where-virus-has-been-confirmed-across-n1124546
Then we see that CDC isn't counting anymore?
CDC is no longer reporting the number of persons under investigation (PUIs) that have been tested, as well as PUIs that have tested negative. Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDCs numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide.
Then I pull up the "sickmap"
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 This map used to pinpoint specific towns, now entire state - for a huge state precise locales are important.
Also find out that states are not required to report to CDC. Where's Trump's "emergency" orders when you need them.
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CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)allowed to keep gun death stats.
Our government has their collective heads in a certain orifice.
For the People? When will that start?
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CrispyQ
(36,437 posts)Corporations are the only non-human entity to have Constitutional rights just like We the People. All other non-living entities, such as labor unions, non-incorporated businesses, churches, civics groups, and governments, only have the privileges that WE grant them.
In the 1880s, corporate attorneys used the 14th Amendment to argue that corporations should have Constitutional rights like living, breathing human beings*. But corporations don't need things like clean air, fresh water, healthy food, health care, child/elder care, education, or even an environment that supports them. Corporations can "live" forever. Their longevity, wealth, and power amplify their rights and their only loyalty is to the bottom line, not the betterment of the communities they reside in. The founders never meant for corporations to have Constitutional rights just like people. Unfortunately, these are the entities that a number of Congress now serves, not We the People.
Slavery is the fiction that people are property.
Corporate personhood is the fiction that corporations are people.
~Reclaim Democracy
Reclaim Democracy's Corporate Personhood page There's some really good reading here.
The Corporation - Sierra Club A great one page primer on persohood.
Corporations are Human Creations. We Can't Let Them Threaten Our Survival - Common Dreams
Spread the word! I think corporate personhood is an issue both the right and left can get behind. I sent the above to my GOP relatives and two of them responded with, "That just isn't right."
on edit: There is some argument over whether the Supreme Court actually meant that corporations should have Constitutional rights, but just like "you can't indict a sitting president" it seems to have stuck.
* Santa Clara County vs Southern Pacific Railroad
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)the only good welfare is corporate welfare.
They throw money at you if you mismanage a business, but not if you and your kids are sick and starving.
Igel
(35,293 posts)Like most other unofficial tallies, when the dust settles and somebody sorts through the rubble they find undercounts, overcounts, double counting ...
Calling them "the facts" is to give them a level of infallibility that they seriously lack. Why we insist on committing this fallacy is left as an exercise for those who care.
jimfields33
(15,758 posts)15 have made full recovery and more will as time goes by. That information would bring comfort to the population. Not sure why they dont want to add the good news.
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Louis1895
(768 posts)Your URL for the "sickmap" contains a period at the end. The correct link is:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Louis1895
(768 posts)I liked the previous iteration of this map where you could see infections by county. That is especially important for big states.
Big Blue Marble
(5,056 posts)I agree. It was much better to see it county by county. At least we have state by state all the other countries only have one dot to represent all cases:
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USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)hlthe2b
(102,192 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)had contracted on an Egyptian ship that cruised the Nile.
Igel
(35,293 posts)Harris county (Texas) and the Seattle numbers show this.
If the first case in Seattle had been in a day care with the same number of kids as there were patients in the nursing home the numbers would be different. In other words, a random factor is responsible for most of the variance.
Same for Harris County. One cruise ship was responsible (as of yesterday) for half the number. If they'd been on a different cruise ship--something completely out of the US's control, and unrelated in any way to the virus itself except by random chance, the numbers would be different.
Modeling infection spread as an exponential function assumes that things are random enough and numbers large enough that trivial random things like nursing home v day care or cruise ship #1 in Egypt v cruise ship #2 in Alaska don't matter.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)In New Rochelle NY. 100+ cases, concentrated there...and Cuomo set to deploy national guard to surround.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Good grief. That would seem to be necessary.
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)When you click on the state, it gives locations
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Continue to show locales. Thanks
Ms. Toad
(34,055 posts)Kitchari
(2,166 posts)Thanks for posting
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)I was disappointed last night when the Johns Hopkins map did an update and removed the specific details of counties.
Louis1895
(768 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)People also need to remember the difference between political appointee leadership at the CDC and the rank and file CDC employees. I have a lot of respect and concern for the latter and complete disgust with the former.
Introducing private laboratories to the mix makes data collection cumbersome and slow as traditional reporting structures and processes are not in place. When they send test kits to Labcorp or Quest, they have no way of knowing how many tests from the kits are used if no one gives them the data. They are working on an IT solution as we speak that will enable reporting from private entities. Goodness knows how long that will take.
Watch over the next days and weeks as processes get adapted to current needs. Maybe. Under an Obama administration, I sincerely believe we'd have seen that happen already. I'd be willing to bet private labs (and the states), if needed, would have been incorporated into the reporting structure in meaningful ways well before now. Under this one, who knows.
What we are seeing on a grand and alarming scale is precisely how important a competent administration truly is. Political appointments based on cronyism and ideology is failing spectacularly (to no surprise of anyone here). And the American public is paying the price (and maybe a few CPAC attendees).
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Yesterday, and Pimpeo on CNBC not to listen or read anything "anecdotal" (i.e. the truth) but always CDC info. Thankfully, CDC did put the disclaimer I posted on there..but who would dig down to read that?
Yesterday Pence touted the new website coronavirus.gov which of course points to CDC data.
Igel
(35,293 posts)And often want to justify blame more than understand causes.
I like a lot of the research in moral reasoning that's been done. Works really well in science, which seems (in sciences least affected by advocacy concerns) to have hit pretty much on the same sorts of kludges to prevent and fend off bias and error over time.
Ms. Toad
(34,055 posts)They are tracking every case.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Our state health director says that currently we have only 1 lab in Austin that can run 52 tests per day. There are 28.7 million people in Texas. Texas is currently run by Republicans. Need I say more?