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hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 10:44 AM Mar 2020

A reminder to those stocking up NOW in response to COVID-19... esp. in areas with community spread

This is not necessarily going to be obvious, but those cans, bottles, packages you just purchased at the store may have been handled by an unknowingly infected stocker or other customers. Obviously, you remember to disinfect hands after leaving the store, but now you've got to bring in potentially contaminated items into your house and pantry. There is every reason to believe the virus lives on surfaces for 9 days (or even more). So, what do you do? (and this can/will apply to UPS/FEDX deliveries as well)

*Either wear gloves or plan to wash immediately after handling and stacking your items.

AND

*Either use alcohol wipes to thoroughly wipe down those cans, bottles, external packages

OR (as I am doing):

Set aside one set of shelving for all 'newly arrived' items in an area that is fairly isolated from the rest of the home (e.g., pantry with door) and use signs to indicate they are either 1. not to be touched for 14 days OR 2. handled and used after disinfecting the outer container and washing hands thoroughly after handling.


Having been doing a lot of counseling lately on infectious disease control for both professionals and lay public, this appears to be something few have considered. At some point and if you are coming from an area of probable exposure, you may need to think about leaving shoes outside and bagging your clothes for the wash at the entranceway--especially if you are a health care worker.

Oh, and if you set some hand sanitizer at the front door, you can offer it to the UPS/USPS/delivery person who may need your digital signature. A kind thing for the worker, but helpful for yourself as well.

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BusyBeingBest

(8,054 posts)
1. We haven't gone this far yet in my house, but the possibility
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 10:56 AM
Mar 2020

is there, I'm sure. Although every time I've gotten ill with flu or cold, it's almost always related to coworkers carrying it to work or when my kids were school-aged and brought that shit home, I doubt objects brought in to the house from the store have had much to do with infection--but it's something to be aware of. I've instituted a new policy that everyone has to wash hands out in the garage before they come into the house, and we don't wear shoes inside. I've also been wiping down doorknobs, car door handles, steering wheels, shifters, faucet handles with Clorox wipes.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
2. Thinking of having my son leave much of our stuff in the bags for a few days.....
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 11:04 AM
Mar 2020

except for refrigerated items and things we need right away.....which we can wipe down with disinfectant spray and a cloth.

Seems to me that refrigerated items could pose the highest risk because the virus cells could live there in hibernation, then wake up when unfrozen. At least that's what I recall from concerns over bacterial risks such as salmonella. I think viruses would follow the same life-span patterns.

There are many items I can just wash off with mild soap and water in our sink before placing in the frig., such as milk, bacon and packages of cheese - prior to opening. Could even do that with bagged dry products such as chips in sealed plastic bags.

Never dreamed I would be discussing washing my groceries.

KY.........

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
3. Frozen foods destined for cooking are fine, but fruit-well you have to hope the producer is cautious
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 11:07 AM
Mar 2020

Given Hepatitis A has been spread that route in the past (and other viruses can likewise survive freezing), there has been a lot of crack-down on the industry, so hopefully... I buy 4-pound bags of frozen strawberries every week and eat them almost daily, so, a lapse would definitely impact me.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
4. This is a different situation.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 11:29 AM
Mar 2020

I think what you are mentioning is bacteria on the product inside the package, whereas we're discussing viruses on the outside of the packages from handling in trucking and the stores by customers and employees.

I don't recall this being an issue before with packaged products with the possible exception of meats and vegetables and those were regarding bacteria, not viruses.

In your case, what's being suggested is washing the bag your strawberries come in - an unheard of situation for me.

KY..........

PS: It was just announced a Walmart employee is believed to be infected here in Kentucky in the town where our first case appeared.

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
5. You fail to realize the workers packing frozen fruit might well be infected. It is the same issue
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 11:29 AM
Mar 2020

In that case, if it is frozen food that can be cooked, not a big issue, but frozen fruit is quite different.

All we can do is hope the producers are doing the right things and have sufficient protections in place (gloves, screening of employee illness, monitoring)

I'm certainly not going to cook or soak my fruit in dilute chlorine solution just to be sure--nor purchase a "home irradiator"--which is about what it would take (I say tongue firmly in cheek).

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
6. Got it.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 11:39 AM
Mar 2020

So cleanse the package outside and wash/and or cook the stuff inside. The frightening thing is viruses and bacteria on the inside may well come from any number of nations since so many of our foods are imported.

I may just give up and eat nothing but Campbell's soup for a while.....

We do have some time, I think to get our shit together 'cause there's not a widespread outbreak in our area, but it is coming!

KY.........

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
7. Hah! My go-to comfort food is Campbell's original chicken noodle soup (which I had last night)
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 11:41 AM
Mar 2020

Overly sodium-ladened, but a childhood favorite.

Sadly, I note it is flying off the shelves too.

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
9. UV-C spectrum light kills bacteria and viruses on SURFACES--not safe for hands, skin, etc.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:51 PM
Mar 2020

And yes, it should be fine (if you can find a reliable unit--wand to use on cell phones, but remember, it can't access nooks and crannies, like buttons, so still, hand washing). Nor does it confer any long term sanitizing effect.

Note, though that UV-A and UV-B spectrum do nothing.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
11. Hubs & I used very soapy cloths to wipe ours down.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 04:26 PM
Mar 2020

Think that'd work?

Sure hope so.

I wiped everything, including bottoms of cans, pkgs, containers, frozen, etc.

coti

(4,612 posts)
14. 9 days?? First I heard less than 24 hours, then 3 days on steel and plastic
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 11:34 PM
Mar 2020

Where are you getting that number?

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