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intrepidity

(7,302 posts)
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 07:40 PM Mar 2020

DUers: join the fight against coronavirus

I propose we create a thread ( let's try this one, unless it gets derailed quickly by too much meta) wherein we propose and discuss concrete measures that we can take daily in our lives, to mitigate the reach and effect of our new sworn enemy, the coronavirus ( formally known as SARS-CoV-2).

Beyond just personal protection, I'm talking about active (practical) measures that each of us can take to destroy as many virus particles as possible.

Obviously, the first line of defense is your own body. Since the virus needs our body in order to replicate and spread, deny it that by preventing infection of your body. Failing that, deny it the ability to transmit itself beyond your body. Those are two steps that YOU (yes, I'm looking right at YOU) very likely have some level of control over.

The opposite of what I'm proposing is thinking that "oh well, it's inevitable, I'll just take my chances".

Next level is those immediately around you, usually family. Same principle.

Keep widening the circle, and let's come up with steps we can take to do our part.

I'd like to start with the concept of us, those of us that still interact with the environment outside our house, but it still applies inside your house, and that is: destroying the virus.

Not just running away from it or hiding from it, because those are viable strategies to prevent #1 above (denying it use if your body as host), but DESTROYING it where it may lurk waiting to hitch a ride onto another host.

Take every opportunity you have to destroy the virus where it most likely lingers.

The big question is how to practically do this. Of course, it may prove meaningless due to the scope, but why not try?

The goal is to buy time. Time for a vaccine to be developed.

Here's an example of the sort of measures I'm thinking about: instead of just avoiding touching that doorknob that you think may be covered in virus, how about spraying it with 70% alcohol, or 3% hydrogen peroxide, or wiping it off with an alcohol wipe (not just a wet wipe, but something that will destroy the virus).

Get my drift? What ideas do you have for guerilla warfare in your neighborhood against SARS-CoV-2?

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DUers: join the fight against coronavirus (Original Post) intrepidity Mar 2020 OP
Posted this earlier...A reminder to those stocking up NOW in response to COVID-19... hlthe2b Mar 2020 #1
Perfect example, thanks. intrepidity Mar 2020 #2
Dryer on high cycle, if you have one. Mine heats to 150-169. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #4
Take some gloves (either latex, nitrile or common garden gloves) in the car & don hlthe2b Mar 2020 #5
My vet told me that peroxide isn't a particularly strong antiseptic. Karadeniz Mar 2020 #9
I was ambivalent on it until intrepidity Mar 2020 #10
Switch to credit card and coin for cash. roamer65 Mar 2020 #19
I believe the virus lives longer on metal than paper. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #25
No copper coin is only second to the air. roamer65 Mar 2020 #29
Spraying my sidewalk with cleaner and using a brush. I spray my mail box daily, my garbage can, 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #3
You are a warrior! intrepidity Mar 2020 #6
Thanks. I feel OC. I am also worried, which is why I am seriously stocking up. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #8
I prepared a squirt bottle of bleach solution today. jeffreyi Mar 2020 #7
What is the recommended solution of bleach to water? northoftheborder Mar 2020 #11
1/3 cup to 1 gallon. Native Mar 2020 #13
Thanks! northoftheborder Mar 2020 #20
Don't forget the contents of that parcel. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2020 #22
I bought a Homesoap. My nephew is a chemist at the CDC in Atlanta. He has raved about the Phonesoap Native Mar 2020 #12
Thanks for the link intrepidity Mar 2020 #17
I literally just received an email from King Soopers (Krogers) CEO on their activities hlthe2b Mar 2020 #14
Thanks for posting this! Mme. Defarge Mar 2020 #27
I think a whole group would actually be better, rather than one long huge thread that WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2020 #15
At this point, great idea nt intrepidity Mar 2020 #16
I wrote to the admins tonight, asking if they would start a covid 19 group. Dem2theMax Mar 2020 #31
Thanks for doing that! intrepidity Mar 2020 #32
Distancing from elderly folks. roamer65 Mar 2020 #18
I like that! As an elderly folk, it would moonscape Mar 2020 #30
My daily routine for the last week: Roland99 Mar 2020 #21
Great. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #24
Don't forget the toilet flush lever. cwydro Mar 2020 #34
Mentioned that. At least at home. We have auto flush detectors at work Roland99 Mar 2020 #37
Great ideas, everyone. K&R crickets Mar 2020 #23
I've been periodically washing things in the building Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #26
That's it. One virion at a time. nt intrepidity Mar 2020 #33
This is a great idea for a thread! Thanks. hamsterjill Mar 2020 #28
Boosting our immune system to the very best it can be.... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #35
My recommendation is thermometers GusBob Mar 2020 #36
Keep our airways moisturized and flushed. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #38
Keep our skin moisturized. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #39
I have trained myself to redirect my hand iwillalwayswonderwhy Mar 2020 #40

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
1. Posted this earlier...A reminder to those stocking up NOW in response to COVID-19...
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 07:43 PM
Mar 2020

A reminder to those stocking up NOW in response to COVID-19... esp. in areas with community spread: Act to avoid bringing in contaminated items into your home (as well as yourselves).

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213072409

intrepidity

(7,302 posts)
2. Perfect example, thanks.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 07:50 PM
Mar 2020

That cash I just got from the ATM?

Sprayed with hydrogen peroxide (only because I have plenty of that but have been unable to find any 70% alcohol).

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
5. Take some gloves (either latex, nitrile or common garden gloves) in the car & don
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 07:53 PM
Mar 2020

when you handle money or items at the store. Use hand sanitizer or wash your hands thoroughly when you remove them (and if reusable gloves, toss them immediately in the washer). Think about adding Borax (20 mule is one brand) or Lysol or even white vinegar and baking soda to your wash along with the detergent to disinfect that too.

intrepidity

(7,302 posts)
10. I was ambivalent on it until
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 08:07 PM
Mar 2020

In the past few days, I've read in several places (sciency places) that in fact it does disrupt (oxidizes proteins of the shell) this virus specifically, at as low as 0.5% (typically sold as 3% in stores), BUT (strong caveat) it is not instantaneous, may take 3-6 minutes of exposure.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
29. No copper coin is only second to the air.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 10:39 PM
Mar 2020

Airborne is 3 hrs, copper 4 hrs. Cardboard was like 24 hrs.

Bacteria and viruses hate copper.

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
3. Spraying my sidewalk with cleaner and using a brush. I spray my mail box daily, my garbage can,
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 07:51 PM
Mar 2020

and I spray my gates. I spray my car daily too. I wipe all card stations and screens with alcohol wipes. I use wipes for the carts too. I also use a wipe for any scanners. I wear a mask,gloves, and hat now in stores, and have a dispenser in my car of sanitizer. I put my clothes in the dryer and cycle them on high when I return from an outing. Wash my hands, spray my doors, light switches etc...I only use my hand towel once, and my washcloths. I also spray my shoes and wipe my floors. I am a little tired, but I plan to beat this!! I also spray my mail and any packages with peroxide. Wash hands before eating, after food prep. I've probably forgotten something.

intrepidity

(7,302 posts)
6. You are a warrior!
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 07:53 PM
Mar 2020

Thank you.

We need to be balanced in terms of resource management though. I'm concerned about supply chain over the next year.

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
8. Thanks. I feel OC. I am also worried, which is why I am seriously stocking up.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 07:59 PM
Mar 2020

I figure the stuff we are buying now is pretty safe, but in 2 months??

jeffreyi

(1,943 posts)
7. I prepared a squirt bottle of bleach solution today.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 07:58 PM
Mar 2020

Spritzed a ups package received, left it in the sun unopened for awhile. Easy to do.

intrepidity

(7,302 posts)
17. Thanks for the link
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 08:24 PM
Mar 2020

In general, I'm not much of a fan of uvc, simply because it can easily give a false sense of security.

UV works by breaking bonds in nucleic acids, which is fine and effective. But it requires line-of-sight access to the pathogen, so that any nooks or crannies or other surface features that can hide the virus, will effectively be untreated.

Just my perspective.

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
14. I literally just received an email from King Soopers (Krogers) CEO on their activities
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 08:16 PM
Mar 2020

Last edited Wed Mar 11, 2020, 10:07 PM - Edit history (1)

Normally, I'd not even bother to read it, but I could not help but be impressed that they are being more responsive than so many charged with doing so. Here, if you are interested is the email.




Dear Valued Customer,

At King Soopers, our customers are like family. And like you, during these last few weeks we’ve been focused on doing all the things we need to do to keep our families safe and healthy.

As America’s grocer, we’re here for our customers and communities when they need us most, with open stores and openhearted hospitality.

We believe that everyone deserves to have access to fresh, affordable food and essentials, especially in times of uncertainty. That’s why our teams are working so hard to keep our stores clean, open and stocked. That’s why we took the precautionary step on March 2 to limit the number of cold, flu and sanitary products per order…so everyone can have access to the items they need. And that’s why our supply chain teams are working to ensure that the food, medicine and cleaning supplies our customers need are reaching our stores as quickly as possible and are available through our pickup, delivery and ship services.

We activated our preparedness plan several weeks ago, and we continue to monitor the rapidly evolving situation. We’re following guidance from federal, state and local agencies, including the CDC and other health organizations.

Here are the steps we’re taking to protect our customers and associates:

In Our Stores • Cleaning commonly used areas more often, including cashier stations, self-checkouts, credit card terminals, conveyor belts and food service counters, and cleaning shelves when restocking products.
• Sanitizing restrooms more frequently and restocking with supplies, including soap, paper towels and hand sanitizer.
• Adding extra hand sanitizer at cashier stations, food service counters, and all Pharmacy, The Little Clinic and Starbucks locations.
• Wiping down shopping carts, baskets and equipment.
• Partnering with our suppliers to replenish high-demand preparedness products.
• Continuing to provide our customers with free disinfectant wipes at our store entrances to sanitize their shopping carts or baskets.
• Following best practices for safe food handling, as always.
For Our Associates • Encouraging our associates to closely monitor their health and well-being.
•Providing hand sanitizer and tissues in breakrooms and meeting rooms.
•Asking our associates to stay home if they, or someone in their household, are sick.
•Providing financial support from our Helping Hands fund – a company-sponsored employee assistance fund – to associates who may be directly affected.
•Suspending business air travel for associates through March 31, 2020 and recommending virtual meetings.
For Our Customers •Encouraging our customers to follow the CDC’s suggested hygiene practices to reduce the spread of the virus.
•Recommending that our customers also practice safe food handling at home.
In everything we do, we’re guided by our values and our Purpose: to Feed the Human Spirit. We strive to make decisions that balance the safety of our associates with our commitments to our customers and communities. And above all else, we’ll be there for our communities when they need us most.

Thank you for being a loyal customer.

Rodney McMullen
Chairman and CEO

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
15. I think a whole group would actually be better, rather than one long huge thread that
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 08:16 PM
Mar 2020

might get outdated quickly.

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
31. I wrote to the admins tonight, asking if they would start a covid 19 group.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:59 AM
Mar 2020

Waiting to hear back. It would be nice to have everything in one place.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
18. Distancing from elderly folks.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 08:29 PM
Mar 2020

I am in two clubs with a lot of elderly folks. I won’t be attending any meetings until this situation is resolved.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
30. I like that! As an elderly folk, it would
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 12:15 AM
Mar 2020

please me if everyone would social distance if/when they see me coming

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
21. My daily routine for the last week:
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 08:44 PM
Mar 2020

Wake up and grab the Lysol spray and paper towels or Clorox wipes

wipe every door knob and handle and the edges of doors where hands grab to open and close

Wipe every cabinet pull knob and the edges where doors are grabbed to open/close

Wipe bathroom faucets and the soap dispenser too.

Wipe toilet flush handle and lid and edge of lid where it’s grabbed.

Wipe the door handles and door edges to doors leading outside

Wipe kitchen faucet handle and sprayer

Wipe door and control panel of microwave

Wipe top of stove and control panel

Wipe banister

Wipe edges of counters and tables and entry tables where hands rest or lean



REPEAT when I get home



And at work...

Grab a Clorox wipe and wipe the paper towel dispenser push handle

Wipe the door and handle and control panel of microwave and lid of trash can

Wipe the handle and buttons of the kuerig

Wipe the handles on the spigots of the water cooler

Wipe the door handles leading into our office area and the bathroom door handles (men’s room only tho)

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
26. I've been periodically washing things in the building
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:50 PM
Mar 2020

just becaue our cleaning crew doesn't.

I've upped that. Everytime I go out of my room I grab a disinfectant wipe and hit the first surface I see that I haven't yet hit.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
28. This is a great idea for a thread! Thanks.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 10:03 PM
Mar 2020

I’d like to somehow (not sure how we would monitor) get some input from people who have experience with legitimate holistic measures. In case we can’t get medical care, or just knowing things we can do to get through a bout of the virus. A kind of “up the odds” type of thing.

I also know we have a lot of medical people on DU and I’d love to hear from them. Knowledge is power.

Knowledge helps keep people like me calm.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
35. Boosting our immune system to the very best it can be....
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:40 AM
Mar 2020

Last edited Thu Mar 12, 2020, 09:12 AM - Edit history (1)

with a good balanced diet and herbs and vitamins if needed and desired, and stay hydrated.

I think it's up to each individual to study this subject and make decisions based on your individual dietary environment, special health needs and the medications you take (some rob us of nutrients).

Regarding supplements, perhaps at a minimum if your situation allows (*) would be a quality multivitamin, a Vitamin C booster (or lots of citrus fruit) and a Vitamin D supplement. Your doctor or pharmacist should be willing to help make these decisions.

I also take a lot of herbal products for a number of health issues and for general health maintenance but won't mention any of those here because it can be quite controversial. In addition, those are best chosen by each individual based on his/her research.

There's tons of info on the web, but be sure to use those based at a respected university or hospital, or health research organization that's not trying to sell you something.

There's also thousands of good books available on preventative nutrition - all at your local library or on-line outlets like B&N or Amazon.

(cross-posted to Health)

KY...........

(*) For example, I have a highly sensitive system to some nutritional supplements, many prescription drugs and some OTC medications. I wanted a controlled amount of Vitamin B12 to help my depression, but standard OTC capsules gave me way too much and made me hyper and sleepless. I found that a kid's chewable multivitamin contained the standard RDA for B!2, and each day I break one in half to get just enough.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
38. Keep our airways moisturized and flushed.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 08:06 AM
Mar 2020

Last edited Thu Mar 12, 2020, 09:15 AM - Edit history (1)

Airway moisturizing and cleansing:

1. Because household humidity is typically lower than desirable in the winter, I like to use the bottles of inexpensive nasal saline spray to moisten my sinuses and nasal cavities. This assists our system to expel dust, germs and viruses by thinning the mucus. Those things saved my butt many times during my days of busy air travel where the air is extremely dry.

2. Periodic use of a netti pot or rubber syringe to irrigate our sinuses and nasal cavities can rid our mucus system of infectious germs and irritants. I use a baby ear syringe and a homemade saline solution recommended by my ENT specialist.

3. Deep breathing during a hot shower can help us clear thickened mucus from our bronchial system and lungs. We also use just a pot of steamy water on the stove, or a Vicks brand personal vaporizer ($30 at drugstores) that works really well.

Note that these are the methods I've used for many years and may or may not work for you. If in doubt, consult an ENT doctor.

(cross-posted to Health)

KY.........

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
39. Keep our skin moisturized.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 09:03 AM
Mar 2020
Skin moisturization:

Dermatologists tell us our skin has a protective oily & acidic layer that protects our skin from irritation and infections. When we use lots of soap, alcohols or other harsh chemical on our skin, we can make things worst in the long run if we don't do proper follow-up care.

From Wikipedia on Sebaceous gland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebaceous_gland#Sebum

(snip)
Immune function and nutrition

Sebaceous glands are part of the body's integumentary system and serve to protect the body against microorganisms. Sebaceous glands secrete acids that form the acid mantle. This is a thin, slightly acidic film on the surface of the skin that acts as a barrier to microbes that might penetrate the skin. The pH of the skin is between 4.5 and 6.2, an acidity that helps to neutralize the alkaline nature of contaminants. Sebaceous lipids help maintain the integrity of the skin barrier and supply vitamin E to the skin.


This is a good primer on dry skin from Wikipedia as a starter:

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeroderma

Excerpt:
Xeroderma

Xeroderma, xerosis or xerosis cutis, or simply dry skin, is a skin condition characterized by excessively dry skin. The medical term xeroderma is derived from the Greek words meaning dry skin.

In most cases, dry skin can safely be treated with emollients or moisturizers. Xeroderma occurs most commonly on the scalp, lower legs, arms, hands, the knuckles, the sides of the abdomen, and thighs. Symptoms most associated with xeroderma are scaling (the visible peeling of the outer skin layer), itching, and skin cracking.

Causes

Xeroderma is a very common condition. It happens more often in the winter when the cold air outside and the hot air inside creates a low relative humidity. This causes the skin to lose moisture and it may crack and peel. Bathing or hand washing too frequently, especially if one is using harsh soaps, can contribute to xeroderma. Xeroderma can be caused by a deficiency of vitamin A, vitamin D, zinc, systemic illness, severe sunburn, or some medication. Xeroderma can be caused by choline inhibitors. Detergents such as washing powder and dishwashing liquid can cause xeroderma.

Prevention

Today, many creams and lotions, commonly based on vegetable oils/butters, petroleum oils/jellies, and even lanolin are widely available. As a preventive measure, such products may be rubbed onto the affected area as needed (often every other day) to prevent dry skin. The skin is then patted dry to prevent removal of natural lipids from the skin.

Treatment

Repeated application (typically over a few days) of emollients or skin lotions/creams to the affected area will likely result in quick alleviation of xeroderma. In particular, application of highly occlusive barriers to moisture, such as petrolatum, vegetable oils/butters, and mineral oil have been shown to provide excellent results. Many individuals find specific commercial skin creams and lotions (often comprising oils, butters, and or waxes emulsified in water) quite effective (although individual preferences and results vary among the wide array of commercially available creams). Lanolin, a natural mixture of lipids derived from sheep's wool, helps replace natural lipids in human skin and has been used since ancient times (and in modern medicine) as among the most powerful treatments for xeroderma. However, lanolin is a common allergen. Also, pure lanolin is a thick waxy substance which, for many individuals, proves difficult and inconvenient for general use on dry skin (especially over large areas of the body). As a result, many formulated lanolin products, having a softer consistency than pure lanolin, are available.

(cross-posting to Health)

Note that airway and dietary moisture (water or saline) and skin moisture (sebum, acids and lipids) are two totally different animals.

KY............

iwillalwayswonderwhy

(2,602 posts)
40. I have trained myself to redirect my hand
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 11:48 AM
Mar 2020

If I find my hand going up toward my face, I redirect it to the back of my neck at my scalp line and gently scratch. No mucous membranes at the base of my scalp, and it strangely satisfies the urge to touch my face. After just two days of consistency, it has become automatic.

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