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Fri Mar 13, 2020, 08:54 AM

The country is shutting down

The overriding purpose of the government is collective security; Trump's government has failed miserably.

The country is doing a slow motion shut down because the government was not smart enough to accept, and act on, the early warnings to protect the nation from the virus, or have a plan to deal with the possibility of mass illnesses.

The present situation is much like a house fire; it would have been prudent and effective to call the fire department when the smoke was first seen rather than waiting for the house to be fully involved in flame. Instead, the government, without any investigation or evidence, kept saying the the smoke was from the BBQ grill, it is normal, and nothing to worry about. People Bar-B-Q every day.... We know that there will be house fires and we invest in systems to address the events to prevent the spread to the whole neighborhood, it was only a matter of time before a viral pandemic wold strike. We knew it would come.

So when the inevitable happened, instead of leadership is denial, censorship, and excuses and knee jerk reactions and went searching for the innocent to blame. Trump's continuing denials not only failed to help, but by convincing people that it was a hoax, and an attack on him personally and his presidency in general, he has contributed to the spread of the disease.

The deaths, the illnesses, the fear, the financial losses all rests on the shoulders of the President of the United States, who was unprepared either intellectually or emotionally to deal with a crisis. We will only be safe when the president has left the People's House.

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Reply The country is shutting down (Original post)
Chainfire Mar 2020 OP
JenniferJuniper Mar 2020 #1
at140 Mar 2020 #55
calimary Mar 2020 #62
guillaumeb Mar 2020 #81
yaesu Mar 2020 #2
CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #30
snowybirdie Mar 2020 #35
cwydro Mar 2020 #37
yaesu Mar 2020 #45
CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #48
snowybirdie Mar 2020 #63
scarletwoman Mar 2020 #78
True Blue American Mar 2020 #105
iwannaknow Mar 2020 #57
Ilsa Mar 2020 #77
yaesu Mar 2020 #40
marlakay Mar 2020 #50
Brainfodder Mar 2020 #60
DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #86
Alliepoo Mar 2020 #3
forthemiddle Mar 2020 #4
Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2020 #6
forthemiddle Mar 2020 #11
Scarsdale Mar 2020 #36
yaesu Mar 2020 #43
DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #87
OMGWTF Mar 2020 #46
Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2020 #112
eggplant Mar 2020 #47
Totally Tunsie Mar 2020 #80
DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #88
eggplant Mar 2020 #111
CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #51
DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #89
exboyfil Mar 2020 #103
onetexan Mar 2020 #5
Kaleva Mar 2020 #7
onetexan Mar 2020 #9
uponit7771 Mar 2020 #13
AllyCat Mar 2020 #17
uponit7771 Mar 2020 #19
Scarsdale Mar 2020 #38
OMGWTF Mar 2020 #49
DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #90
uponit7771 Mar 2020 #96
Kaleva Mar 2020 #15
Rorey Mar 2020 #42
Kaleva Mar 2020 #66
onetexan Mar 2020 #70
Kaleva Mar 2020 #72
onetexan Mar 2020 #73
58Sunliner Mar 2020 #91
onetexan Mar 2020 #97
Pacifist Patriot Mar 2020 #26
wnylib Mar 2020 #32
Scarsdale Mar 2020 #41
The Genealogist Mar 2020 #59
wnylib Mar 2020 #65
onetexan Mar 2020 #71
Kaleva Mar 2020 #67
ProfessorGAC Mar 2020 #110
Rebl2 Mar 2020 #25
uponit7771 Mar 2020 #12
cwydro Mar 2020 #39
58Sunliner Mar 2020 #92
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #8
Scarsdale Mar 2020 #44
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #68
onecaliberal Mar 2020 #56
moonseller66 Mar 2020 #10
uponit7771 Mar 2020 #14
Ligyron Mar 2020 #24
SWBTATTReg Mar 2020 #61
I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2020 #75
Newest Reality Mar 2020 #58
wnylib Mar 2020 #64
yellowdogintexas Mar 2020 #84
wnylib Mar 2020 #85
Victor_c3 Mar 2020 #16
marybourg Mar 2020 #20
Victor_c3 Mar 2020 #21
marybourg Mar 2020 #115
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lagomorph777 Mar 2020 #18
mnhtnbb Mar 2020 #22
OMGWTF Mar 2020 #54
bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #23
Thomas Hurt Mar 2020 #27
Brainfodder Mar 2020 #28
Javaman Mar 2020 #29
ancianita Mar 2020 #31
Historic NY Mar 2020 #33
Totally Tunsie Mar 2020 #83
Historic NY Mar 2020 #94
Chainfire Mar 2020 #34
Rorey Mar 2020 #53
DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #52
uponit7771 Mar 2020 #102
WyattKansas Mar 2020 #69
Danascot Mar 2020 #74
58Sunliner Mar 2020 #93
greymattermom Mar 2020 #99
uponit7771 Mar 2020 #101
Danascot Mar 2020 #107
zackymilly Mar 2020 #76
doc03 Mar 2020 #79
coti Mar 2020 #82
DesertRat Mar 2020 #95
47of74 Mar 2020 #108
DesertRat Mar 2020 #109
robbob Mar 2020 #113
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duforsure Mar 2020 #98
uponit7771 Mar 2020 #100
Blues Heron Mar 2020 #104
Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2020 #106

Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:30 AM

1. My trash is picked up every Friday at

7:05 am. Like clockwork. They still haven't shown. My nephew works for the town and tells me they are very short staffed as a lot of guys didn't come in. They are probably not sick, but maybe just in avoidance mode.

Just the beginning. So many things we haven't even thought about.

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Response to JenniferJuniper (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:52 AM

55. My trash was picked up yesterday morning at usual time.

This morning I was at Aldi food store to buy basic food items,
and the shelves were fully stocked. Plenty of water bottles, TP, fruits and vegetables.
I love the dark chocolate bars they have made in Germany.

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Response to JenniferJuniper (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:34 PM

62. Let's ALL take out the trash in November!

And thatís a mighty big job, so we ALL have to help.

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Response to calimary (Reply #62)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 06:26 PM

81. Amen!!

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:34 AM

2. The CDC is now telling everyone 60 and older to stay home according to a headline on my states

news site (didn't bother to read it because it ain't gonna happen).

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Response to yaesu (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:20 AM

30. This is an over 60 household

We are not going out!

I don't know how long our food supply will last but WE ARE NOT GOING OUT OK?



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:27 AM

35. Ordered Wal-Mart pick up

Today. They claim I just show up and my food will be put into my car. Hope it works well

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:31 AM

37. It works well. I use it frequently.

Most people get out and help them load the bags, but you donít have to.

You do have to sign a screen.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:40 AM

45. them & Meijers have curb side pickup, you can also order online & have it shipped to you

I have done that a lot.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:46 AM

48. This is very useful infomation

Thank you, I was unaware of this.

There is a Walmart about 30 miles from here. I will check into it.

I hope they will deliver or load the car as I am disabled w/MS and frightened to death!



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #48)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:39 PM

63. My daughter with ms

told me about it. Good luck!

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #48)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 05:59 PM

78. Just order online instead of driving 30 miles.

https://www.walmart.com/

I'm 70 years old with emphysema, I use online ordering all the time.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #78)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 07:49 AM

105. I have not ordered food yet

But since the Insurance companies are giving $240 per year for OTC products, $70 per quarter I go to the APP, order directly from Walmart, it arrives on my front porch.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:54 AM

57. I did the same!

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 05:56 PM

77. Not available in our zip code.

So my MIL ordered stuff anyway. Came from Indiana, So Carolina, to Georgia. Made no sense at all.

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:35 AM

40. No need to go out if you can stay in, its the best way to avoid infection, but some, like myself

have jobs, responsibilities that require leaving home. Luckily my work doesn't require much people exposure but is required to keep Emergency communications up & running for my county, local hospital, ect... I always take precautions against sickness, have carried hand sanitizers for years & haven't been sick for over ten years so knock on wood.

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:46 AM

50. Is anyone finding it hard not to go out?

We are 63 & 70 and have gone out probably once a day quickly then right back home last few days. My senior olli classes just got canceled for a month, i am wondering if i should go to bookclub this Sunday.

We arenít going to movies, out to eat, coffee, our usual activities and since I was sick fighting sinus infection last week and home I am already antsy.

My husband was just playing loud hard rock which he normally only does when i am gone. Maybe he is trying to block out other noise! Lol

If we survive being stuck together cooped up is more the question....


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Response to marlakay (Reply #50)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:16 PM

60. Video Games!

So many options!

GOOD LUCK!



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Response to yaesu (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:22 PM

86. And to think

that ALL the TrumpHumpers and 2nd Amendment people have preached is their Rights to FREEDOM and now WE end up getting restricted to our houses due to their elected official's actions and in-actions.......it's laughable.......

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:37 AM

3. Amen

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:43 AM

4. Can I suggest

If you are not in an area yet affected, and if you do not show any symptoms, and if you are not elderly or immune compromised (I know a lot of ifs)......
Get out this weekend and spend money at your local establishments.
As long as there are no big crowds, get out there and help your community while you can. These small businesses are going to be in a world of hurt for the unforseen future, and they need our help now.
I am shopping, eating out, and enjoying what might be the last weekend for a bit. I will be washing my hands, avoiding touching, etc.
Obviously this wonít work in every area of the Country, but if you can, do it, and enjoy! Get away from the doom and gloom for a little while.

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Response to forthemiddle (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:54 AM

6. I'm going to a comedy show tomorrow

One that didn't get cancelled because it is a smaller venue. Going to see Randy from Trailer Park Boys. LOL! I've got tickets to two other shows that were coming up this month that have been postponed because they have 250+ at those shows. Don't know when they'll be rescheduled. Can always get a refund if I can't make it.

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Response to Zing Zing Zingbah (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:08 AM

11. I have a girls weekend scheduled for two weeks from now

And we have tickets to a concert (more of dinner show, so not a mass gathering).
As of now we assume it will be canceled, but as long as we are all healthy we are still going to the rented house and enjoying a weekend of fun, games, and probably a few bottles of wine!

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Response to forthemiddle (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:28 AM

36. Have fun!

I just returned home from Walmart in southern Wisconsin. Every register has a notice on it, limiting supplies of hand sanitizer, toilet paper, disinfectant wipes and other items. I was surprised. I do not think the virus has hit here - yet.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:37 AM

43. I've been stealthily stocking up for two weeks now so have plenty of all of that. nt

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Response to yaesu (Reply #43)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:23 PM

87. we started five weeks ago.......

And we don't even have the "supreme intelligence" that our leader talks about having.........LOL

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Response to Zing Zing Zingbah (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:44 AM

46. I love the Trailer Park Boys!

Saw Ricky, Julien, and Bubbles in Seattle several years ago. Did not know Randy was doing stand-up.

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Response to OMGWTF (Reply #46)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 04:09 PM

112. The event just got cancelled

Now every event I was planning on going to this month has been cancelled. At least the kids still have school, karate, and swimming lessons for the time being. Also, we seem to be having an early spring, so at least we can go for more walks outside.

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Response to forthemiddle (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:45 AM

47. Also, consider buying your future self a gift certificate, so small businesses have operating cash.

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Response to eggplant (Reply #47)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 06:23 PM

80. With the business downturn over COVID-19, it's possible

that a lot of these smaller businesses won't survive. Use caution when committing your $$$ for future use. Those gift cards can wind up worthless in a heartbeat. It can help the business in the short run and screw the purchaser in the long term.

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Response to Totally Tunsie (Reply #80)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:25 PM

88. I was going to say something like that

and then read your post......BRAVO

When they all go bankrupt, your money has gone bye-bye......

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #88)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:19 PM

111. Actually, your money has gone to support those people just a little bit longer than without.

The whole point of buying them in the first place is to help prop them up for a while. If they still go under, you can still feel good that you helped out in this time of crisis.

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Response to forthemiddle (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:48 AM

51. uh huh ...

n/t

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Response to forthemiddle (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:30 PM

89. And if

you can, stock up on drugs from your local dealer...........I was in a liquor store yesterday, and it was like prohibition was going to be declared a couple of days from now.......especially in the Grain Alcohol Section (180? Proof) People were carrying out two wheeler dollies of cases of wine and liquor.......holy shit, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.......

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #89)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 07:37 AM

103. Booze, cigs, and toilet paper

Trade goods for the apocalypse.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:53 AM

5. Let's remain calm and not spread mass panic..we are not there yet

I am going on with my life now and this weekend as usual - getting my yard ready for spring planting. I'll be visiting nurseries and Lowe's. I'll be out with my friends for a meal. I have my hand sanitizer with me at all times. When i get home i wash my hands religiously. I do everything in my control to be careful. If i happen to catch it, it's beyond my control, and at that point once it's manifested i will quarantine and do whatever i can to get well. No use panicking at this juncture.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:55 AM

7. Darn thing is that you could be infecting others well before symptoms show up.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:01 AM

9. So what are you going to do then - sit at home and sulk?

While i KNOW that i'm healthy, i'm going to continue to frequent the local establishments to support them, and so our economy doesn't continue to go to heck.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:14 AM

13. No sit at home and play video games and enjoy your family that's all we got right now

... spreading the disease isn't going to help anyone

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:28 AM

17. Hear, hear!

Yes, this sucks. We need to take drastic steps now because our incompetent leadership did not act.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:33 AM

19. +1, the lack of unfettered testing is really hurting America bad. We wont know for weeks...

... who is infected and who is not.

That's going to stop the train

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:33 AM

38. tRump is blaming President Obama!

WHEN will the reporters get disgusted with this behavior? tRump was not presidential material, will NEVER be presidential material. He is what he is - a total failure as a husband, father and human being. Damn the gop, we need to get every one of them out of office. They are responsible for this mess, too.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:46 AM

49. Tom Hanks only knows he's infected because he is in AUSTRALIA.

If he was in the US he wouldn't get tested and would be infecting others.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:33 PM

90. Just hope

the internet and cell phone system doesn't crash. Or the Electrical grid, which would take out most of both of them......

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #90)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:33 AM

96. +1

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Response to onetexan (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:24 AM

15. I imagine you would sulk. You come across as such a person.

I prefer not to put myself and others at risk.

I planned ahead and have more then enough hobbies and projects to keep myself busy for an extended period of time.

Your comment:

" i'm going to continue to frequent the local establishments to support them, and so our economy doesn't continue to go to heck."

Your patronage isn't going to make a bit a difference so it's an invalid argument.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:37 AM

42. Hobbies and projects

Having something to do is something that a lot of people don't think about. I mean, I've got plenty of tp, but using it doesn't really occupy that many minutes of my day.

Seriously, though, I've been thinking a lot about what things to do while I'm pretty much isolating myself. I've always got a long list of projects, so hopefully I can motivate myself to do them. One very big plus is that we can interact online, which is something we couldn't do back in the day. I grew up in ND, and there were times we were stranded at home because of a blizzard. Often times the power would go out. Four days without electricity was horrible.

I was thinking that there probably wouldn't be any harm in going for a drive now and then. It'll probably be a mood-brightener. If we have nice weather, I can work in my yard.

I do feel bad for the people who own and/or work at establishments that are going to take a hit, but I won't be going out to eat or doing any shopping or going to any events. We're a spoiled civilization, it seems, so I'm sure a lot of folks are just going to live life as usual and do nothing to slow the virus so our medical facilities can better handle what's coming.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #42)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:07 PM

66. The internet and cell phones will make self imposed isolation easier.

I have skills that allow me to handle numerous projects around the house and I'm looking forward to spring when i can work on the yard and vegetable garden!

Your comment:

"I do feel bad for the people who own and/or work at establishments that are going to take a hit, but I won't be going out to eat or doing any shopping or going to any events. We're a spoiled civilization, it seems, so I'm sure a lot of folks are just going to live life as usual and do nothing to slow the virus so our medical facilities can better handle what's coming."

I agree.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:20 PM

70. You sound like a judgemental person. Did i say i would sulk?

Unless i have symptoms or feel sick then i will stay home. Until then, i am living life as usual. Put a sock on your preaching. It falls on deaf ears.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #70)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:34 PM

72. Looks like many here don't agree with your attitude towards the safety of others

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #72)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:39 PM

73. who cares? I follow the city's advisement not to panic and take precautions. I'm not quarantining

myself unless i have symptoms.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #73)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:45 PM

91. You are irresponsible. You may not know you have it and could spread it.

Who cares? The people you could infect because you don't.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #91)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 02:07 AM

97. Cut the judgemental attitude

You can disagree but dont be rashjudging people. You're entitled to your opinion but it ends there

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Response to onetexan (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:14 AM

26. Then the rest of is will have to flatten the curve for you.

You're welcome.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:21 AM

32. I understand your concern and

your motivation. But I think the financial situation is too large to resolve that way. It will take federal intervention and stimulus.

We are on the brink of a depression, not a recession. We dodged a bullet in '08 when we chose a new president. Let's hope history repeats itself this year.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:35 AM

41. Get the Russians and the gop

the HELL out of the way, and we can elect an adult next time. We tried to last time, but the gop blurred all the lines for Russia.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:55 AM

59. Why sulk?

I can work from home. I have activities to entertain myself at home without goimg anywhere. I can go out in the yard and get fresh air. I have food. I am not holing up yet, but if I have to there is plenty to keep me occupied. Not going to be sulking.

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Response to The Genealogist (Reply #59)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:05 PM

65. Same here. There are many

people can do at home. Staying home is not sulking.

For entertainment there are TV and online streaming, music, games, books and time for any indoor hobbies.

Phones and computers for outside contact. Indoor home projects. I've got several in mind for myself.

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Response to The Genealogist (Reply #59)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:24 PM

71. i was being snarky towards the person i responded to

if you read my post correctly earlier, you'll see i'm certainly not one to sulk. I work at home and i have plenty to keep myself busy. But I'm not one to panic. To me life has to go on. We have to take necessary precautions but life doesn't stop because of it.
I'm listening to Austin's health authority right now since they've just released info that we have 2 cases here, and he says NOT to panic.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:08 PM

67. While on may understand your desire to get out and about, you ought to read this.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #67)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 11:52 AM

110. That Thread Is A Mess

The OP got launched so there's several exchanges that go nowhere because the replies are blank.
Some posts are good, but the thread is no longer very useful.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:13 AM

25. That is

exactly what I was thinking.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:14 AM

12. If we don't get there quick we're screwed, we have no way of knowing who has it because

... Trump has screwed up the testing

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Response to onetexan (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:33 AM

39. Just got back from Lowes.

Will spend the afternoon planting, then ordering pickup from my favorite Vietnamese restaurant.

I havenít changed anything.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:48 PM

92. Yeah, good luck with business as usual. What a pity the others you contact may not be so lucky.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:59 AM

8. Trump-Republicons own this and own tRump. All of it. They voted, enable & protect him


Trump-Republicons own this crisis

Republicons plowed the ground for tRump
Republicons seeded the ground with trumpanzees
Republicons created tRump as a Republ Icon in 2015-16
Republicons elected tRump candidate
Republicons endorsed tRump
Republicons voted for tRump
Republicons enable tRump
Republicons defend tRump
Republicons protect tRump

Trump-Republicons own this.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:38 AM

44. Yes they do.

Come to think of it, tRump resembles an elephant. Large, clumsy and destroys everything in it's way. Only thing is, the elephant does not know any better. tRump should, but he doesn't either.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #44)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:09 PM

68. The Elephant Gang is a deadly criminal gang. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:52 AM

56. Exactly

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:04 AM

10. Better than a Martial Law announcement...

The country shuts down. Everything closes - comes to a stop.
Just in time for the primaries. Don't go to the polls! You could get the virus! That's the next scare.

Keep it up long enough with delaying tactics and Novemnber comes with polling places closed.
Best possible Voter Suppression for Repubs. Elections maybe in 2021..late? or never?

Then when the Military has been weakened, PU-tin might even offer to help...after Blackwater et al, of course.

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Response to moonseller66 (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:15 AM

14. +1, this is no doubt on purpose

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:08 AM

24. Could well be.

It would be interesting to know who shorted stocks just before Dump opened his mouth and made the whole thing way worse.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:21 PM

61. It would be interesting but I think rump is too stupid to do plan something like this...I think ...

this time around, instead of the innuendoes and pushing the markets up or down so his buddies could make some money on his words, this time around, he screwed it up royally and ended up screwing all of his buddies.
Who could have ever predicted such a rout in the markets over such a short period of time? There has been talk (even on DU) by some that the markets were due finally for some correction (after 11 +- years) so not surprising what-so-ever. What is disturbing the markets is rump. And it's not the Russian/Saudi Arabia oil partnership either (to address the US fracking / oil market dominance).

No, personally I think he cost his buddies big time. And I agree w/ you, that some people have made a killing (pardon my unintentional pun) in the markets by shorting them.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 05:53 PM

75. I agree

People may have to take to the streets in November. Hopefully coronavirus will be dying out by than.

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Response to moonseller66 (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:55 AM

58. Have you read this?

I thought I would dust it off and bring it to light.

Now, from a conspiratorial view, not acting swiftly on the potential of a pandemic, (and the virus could well have been here since January, but unconfirmed) would fit the MO of a dictator. That may sound extreme, but my bias is that a national emergency would assist Trump and the GOP in what they are actually trying to accomplish: weaken us, destroy things, assume more control.

These are NOT the good old days of partisan politics, and I think that is the bias or filter that people are using when they fail to really see the gravity of the situation and what it implies.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/

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Response to moonseller66 (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:55 PM

64. Alternative to closing polls

Wear rubber gloves - all poll workers and voters. Have them available at the entrance.

Wear face masks if available.

Trash cans with lids for disposal of gloves on the way out. Graphic signs to illustrate proper glove and mask removal. The kind of trash can you open with your foot.

Carry or have at the poll exits some Lysol or Chlorox wipes to use on face after removing gloves and masks.

Go straight home and take a shower, throw clothes in washer and wash immediately..

Or, use mail in ballots. But who collects and delivers the mail? Counts the ballots? They will need protection.

Online voting? How to safeguard it and verify eligible voters?

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Response to wnylib (Reply #64)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:36 PM

84. a large bottle of hand sanitizer is included in our election supplies

and has been for years. We put it where the voters can use it.
My alternate and I discussed gloves, but I forgot to get them.
Our touch screen e-poll books and Duo voting machines work with stylus so we are on the prowl for cheap ones to have on every voting machine, at least at my polling place.

We have a damn runoff and a local option election in May. How much you want to bet nobody comes to vote?

I can see it now US Senate: MJ Hager 1 Royce West 1 It won't be that bad of course because Texas is a big state but runoffs are the worst for turnout. At least I get to earn a little money.

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Response to yellowdogintexas (Reply #84)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:12 PM

85. My voting site uses paper ballots

to mark and slide into a scanner. They provide pens but I would use my own now. Don't want to touch one that others have handled. But I would also have to use the surface they provide for laying down the ballot to mark it. That means part of my hand would rest on that surface.

Same with signing my name in the registration book.

So I will wear gloves. And go at a time when fewer people are there.

This could influence the balance of the presidential primary vote, according to who shows up.

My primary is in April.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:27 AM

16. I actually started to notice symptoms this morning

Coughing, congestion, sore throat, headache. I donít know if I have a fever as I donít own a thermometer, but I certainly donít feel well.

Usually I have allergies that make me feel like this and I take Allegra-D and my symptoms go away. Today, I took the medication and it hasnít made a difference in how I feel.

Out of respect for people around me, I am just going to stay inside for the next day or two and see how I feel. The scary thing is that if I did catch the virus, then where did I get it from? There are no confirmed cases anywhere around me and Iím usually not the type of person to go out into public places very often. If I have the Coronavirus, then there must be vastly more people infected than is being reported.

Yesterday, my stateís (Ohio) health department announced that they estimate as many as 100,000 might currently be infected!

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:34 AM

20. I find with my allergy meds that it takes a full 24 hours

for them to start working.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:36 AM

21. That's what I thought too. I've been taking them since Monday. n/t

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 11:08 PM

115. How are you feeling today?

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Response to marybourg (Reply #115)

Sun Mar 15, 2020, 12:31 PM

117. A little bit worse, but not really bad

I did speak with a nurse at my local Veterans Administration hospital and they are keeping an eye on me.

Iíve been isolating myself since Friday.

If they start doing testing anywhere around here, Iíll get myself tested.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:30 AM

18. "it would have been prudent and effective to call the fire department"

...but instead, President Turd fired the fire department.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-struggles-explain-why-he-disbanded-his-global-health-team-n1153221

One of Donald Trump's most important missteps in dealing with the coronavirus outbreak happened before anyone had even heard of COVID-19. In fact, the president's first error came back in 2018.

It was two years ago when Trump ordered the shutdown of the White House National Security Council's entire global health security unit. NBC News had a good report on this recently, noting that the president's decision "to downsize the White House national security staff -- and eliminate jobs addressing global pandemics -- is likely to hamper the U.S. government's response to the coronavirus."

It was against this backdrop that a reporter asked Trump late last week about whether he was prepared to "rethink having an Office of Pandemic Preparation in the White House." The president replied:

"I just think this is something, Peter, that you can never really think is going to happen. You know, who -- I've heard all about, 'This could be...' -- you know, 'This could be a big deal,' from before it happened. You know, this -- something like this could happen.... Who would have thought? Look, how long ago is it? Six, seven, eight weeks ago -- who would have thought we would even be having the subject? ... You never really know when something like this is going to strike and what it's going to be."

It's worth emphasizing that this is Trump's second explanation related to his decision to disband his global health security team. "I'm a business person," he explained two weeks ago in response to a similar question. "I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them. When we need them, we can get them back very quickly."

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #18)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:50 AM

22. This is the problem with a malignant narcissist

holding office. Combined with the fact that Obama put the global health security team in place which meant Trump was going to get rid of it regardless, means he can never accept someone being more knowledgeable or informed than he is.

I do think this is the end of Trump. The Wall Street gang are seeing first hand what it means to their wallets to have an incompetent, ignorant, malignant narcissist in the Oval Office.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:50 AM

54. Don't fk with rich peoples' money. Bernie Madeoff is in prison because he stole from the rich.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:04 AM

23. Reduced travel and demand for fuel

How difficult it is to shrink a throughput system.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:17 AM

27. The overriding purpose of christofascist government is security for the select.

The only number of people dying that matters to the fascists is a large enough number to make them look bad.

Perception, selective populism, propaganda, hyperindividualism.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:19 AM

28. You calling this cluster with Jared assigned now, to what half the roles, a government?



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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:19 AM

29. My GF's daughter works at a movie theater that serves food. (fill in your favorite theater)

the studios are cutting back releases.

the theater has already stated that they may have to lay off people due to sales being down. no one is going to the movies.

she's freaking out. She and her husband both work there.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:20 AM

31. Denial becomes a bad habit. SEEING reality compels one to DO. Seeing compels UP FRONT effort in

time, money and manpower.

The lazy take pains to avoid effort. And so they avoid seeing.

And so the denial habit. So the bubble habit.

Denial and mindlessness are the twin habits of the lazy.

Love is effort. Laziness is anti-love.

The lazy fake love as effort to get real effort back, but they don't ever make real, helpful effort because they don't want to see what needs doing. What needs attention.

They are the banality of evil. Destroyers of communities and civilizations.

We can still learn from what we've experienced, and never forget. Never forget. Forgetting is a form of laziness, too. That's what they depend on from society, and why they come out of their dark places from time to time.

We will not be safe from our own forgetfulness or fear.

So we have to SEE this historical event as a lesson of our history.
And not forget it. Not sugar coat it. Not legitimize it.
But teach it going forward.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:23 AM

33. I was headed to visit family in Florida...

Disney for a couple days and then to the beach and a few sites around where they live. Family member nurse at the VA which is locked down.MY SIL lives in an adult community. I am waiting to see if the flight gets canceled. But on their other hand the local Irish celebration is still on, it outside. Disney Springs where all the shops and eatery's are is still open.

The regional air line carrier set out their virus policy which might cause a delay for them to disinfect all the exposed areas of the seats etc on the plane. I plan on bringing wipes and a mask.

I haven't been out in any large groups this winter except for the funeral home last week (non virus). Shooping and to local government facilities.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #33)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 07:54 PM

83. Sorry - Disney is closing 3/16 thru the end of March.

Can you re-plan?

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Response to Totally Tunsie (Reply #83)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 12:47 AM

94. Were Members might just up and lounge around the hotel pools...

Disney springs is still open so we with have dinner there. They live an hour away.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:24 AM

34. I got a little personal good news

I am shutting down too!

The state agency that my wife works for has decided to let anyone over age 60 or with other significant issues to work from home. (my wife qualifies on both points) My wife will have to go in on Monday, pick up a secure laptop and work from here. She retires in three weeks, so she will not go back to her office after Monday. On her retirement day, she will box up the laptop, send it back, and I am going to strongly suggest that she also change here cell phone number. I did that on my way home from my last day of work just to let the institution know, that while I was loyal as hell as long as I was on the payroll, that I no longer gave a damn about what happened at work.

It is my plan to not leave my property for at least the next three or four weeks, and I have provisions for eight weeks without having to make any dietary changes. I am changing the security code on my driveway gate and hanging a "No Trespassing" sign on it, and I will stay here and work on flower beds and fixing the roof on the barn, and building new fence. I am going to name my place The Hermitage and live up to it.

I am nearly 70, and I have heart issues; based on the proposition that it is better to be too cautious than too lax, I am going to let all of the heroes continue life as if everything was normal while I hide out......(I come from a long line of cowards with exceptionally long lifespans)

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #34)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:49 AM

53. Good for you, but I wouldn't call them "heroes"

I'm actually pretty furious at the folks who aren't bothering to educate themselves, and those who are minimizing this.

Sure, most of the younger people will either not get it, will have such a mild case that they barely notice it, or will recover quickly. Because they're too damned stubborn/arrogant/selfish/whatever, they'll end up hurting others. They just can't even comprehend the burden this is going to put on the health care system.

Hey, nothing wrong with being a "coward" with this thing.


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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:48 AM

52. Your fire analogy is great

It has now reached what fire command would call a conflagration.........

don't give Trump all the credit. He would not have lasted one day after Inauguration if it weren't for the Republican Senators and Republican Party.

IT IS THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS THAT GIVE HIM THIS UN-CHECKABLE POWER. IF THEY STAY IN THE MAJORITY, WASF.

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #52)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 07:35 AM

102. +1,

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:17 PM

69. Classic republican wet dream...

They must prove that the government is not needed by letting the free market take care of it all.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 02:17 PM

74. Stay The Fuck Home

https://staythefuckhome.com/

It will help flatten the curve:


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Response to Danascot (Reply #74)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:50 PM

93. Thank you!! Be responsible!.

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Response to Danascot (Reply #74)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 07:13 AM

99. The problem is that we don't know where the horizontal line will fall.

What if it's much lower than shown?

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #99)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 07:33 AM

101. +1, becaus there's no unfettered testing

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #99)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 08:33 AM

107. The analysis in this post

has some discussion of health care capacity.

Https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213067130

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 05:56 PM

76. Our company is going to essential personnel only.

Unfortunately, that includes me, but they are talking about triple pay. I'd rather not get sick.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 06:06 PM

79. My fear is Trump will luck out and by

November the markets will recover. I don't want to see millions of people get sick but if that happens we May have that asshole another 4 years. You know what a short memory the American people have 1/2 them now think Trump inherited a recession.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 06:26 PM

82. "No mother, it's just the northern lights!"

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:02 AM

95. If the weather permits where you are, go outside!

We should practice social distancing, staying away from crowds, but we can still go walking, hiking, camping, kayaking, whatever you enjoy or have been meaning to try.
I went for a hike today and felt so good afterward. A boost of Vitamin N (Nature) can keep your spirit healthy.

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #95)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 08:58 AM

108. Yeah I'm getting some cycling in.

 

It was warm enough yesterday afternoon to go do that. I might go do some later today too.

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Response to 47of74 (Reply #108)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 11:42 AM

109. Sounds good

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #95)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:55 PM

113. You beat me to it!

I can go for a walk, in fact every place Iíve every lived, big city or small town, I could always find wide open space and get some fresh air without coming within 100 yards of another soul. So why stay cooped up? The fresh air will probably make you feel better.

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Response to robbob (Reply #113)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:12 PM

114. I was fortunate to walk for an hour today, listening to an audiobook

It really helped to lift my spirits.

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Response to robbob (Reply #113)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 11:13 PM

116. Why stay coooped up?

 

Well some people look down their noses at others who so much as leave their bedrooms during this time even if when they do so they don't come within even 2000 yards of another person the entire time they are out. More than one person has been put on my block list because of this. I'm doing what I can and trying to minimize being out but I am going to ride my fucking bike because I am not around others then. I have to keep exercising. Anyone not liking that has two choices - they can keep either their self righteous counsel to themselves or risk getting a four letter symphony they won't soon forget.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:41 AM

98. trump and the GOP have failed

And now want to lie their way out of this by hiding the truth , they've caused this health crisis to be a lot worse then it should have been. trump at every turn does things to undermine the government to adequately response , instead slowing response then trump claims they're doing great, when they aren't. He had nothing to do with the Mnuckin Pelosi agreement other than try to claim he was behind that when he wasn't and tried to undermine that too. He's done that before too. trump has made this worse by his lying too . We don't have testing available to everyone now because of trump, no matter who HE claims is responsible , and its never him. His I'm not responsible will be played by Democrats until the election over and over again admitting he failed us . Watch trump now weaponize this virus by using it to hurt people more with , not help them.

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 07:31 AM

100. K&R, ...and will stay shut down till unfettered testing starts

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 07:47 AM

104. At least we have a 10 zillion dollar miltary

maybe we can nuke the virus?

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Response to Chainfire (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 07:54 AM

106. Huge failure

And there will still be dumbasses that will vote for Trump in the fall. I guess they must enjoy the lack of toilet paper.

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