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Chainfire

(17,536 posts)
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 08:54 AM Mar 2020

The country is shutting down

The overriding purpose of the government is collective security; Trump's government has failed miserably.

The country is doing a slow motion shut down because the government was not smart enough to accept, and act on, the early warnings to protect the nation from the virus, or have a plan to deal with the possibility of mass illnesses.

The present situation is much like a house fire; it would have been prudent and effective to call the fire department when the smoke was first seen rather than waiting for the house to be fully involved in flame. Instead, the government, without any investigation or evidence, kept saying the the smoke was from the BBQ grill, it is normal, and nothing to worry about. People Bar-B-Q every day.... We know that there will be house fires and we invest in systems to address the events to prevent the spread to the whole neighborhood, it was only a matter of time before a viral pandemic wold strike. We knew it would come.

So when the inevitable happened, instead of leadership is denial, censorship, and excuses and knee jerk reactions and went searching for the innocent to blame. Trump's continuing denials not only failed to help, but by convincing people that it was a hoax, and an attack on him personally and his presidency in general, he has contributed to the spread of the disease.

The deaths, the illnesses, the fear, the financial losses all rests on the shoulders of the President of the United States, who was unprepared either intellectually or emotionally to deal with a crisis. We will only be safe when the president has left the People's House.

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The country is shutting down (Original Post) Chainfire Mar 2020 OP
My trash is picked up every Friday at JenniferJuniper Mar 2020 #1
My trash was picked up yesterday morning at usual time. at140 Mar 2020 #55
Let's ALL take out the trash in November! calimary Mar 2020 #62
Amen!! guillaumeb Mar 2020 #81
The CDC is now telling everyone 60 and older to stay home according to a headline on my states yaesu Mar 2020 #2
This is an over 60 household CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #30
Ordered Wal-Mart pick up snowybirdie Mar 2020 #35
It works well. I use it frequently. cwydro Mar 2020 #37
them & Meijers have curb side pickup, you can also order online & have it shipped to you yaesu Mar 2020 #45
This is very useful infomation CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #48
My daughter with ms snowybirdie Mar 2020 #63
Just order online instead of driving 30 miles. scarletwoman Mar 2020 #78
I have not ordered food yet True Blue American Mar 2020 #105
I did the same! iwannaknow Mar 2020 #57
Not available in our zip code. Ilsa Mar 2020 #77
No need to go out if you can stay in, its the best way to avoid infection, but some, like myself yaesu Mar 2020 #40
Is anyone finding it hard not to go out? marlakay Mar 2020 #50
Video Games! Brainfodder Mar 2020 #60
And to think DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #86
Amen Alliepoo Mar 2020 #3
Can I suggest forthemiddle Mar 2020 #4
I'm going to a comedy show tomorrow Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2020 #6
I have a girls weekend scheduled for two weeks from now forthemiddle Mar 2020 #11
Have fun! Scarsdale Mar 2020 #36
I've been stealthily stocking up for two weeks now so have plenty of all of that. nt yaesu Mar 2020 #43
we started five weeks ago....... DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #87
I love the Trailer Park Boys! OMGWTF Mar 2020 #46
The event just got cancelled Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2020 #112
Also, consider buying your future self a gift certificate, so small businesses have operating cash. eggplant Mar 2020 #47
With the business downturn over COVID-19, it's possible Totally Tunsie Mar 2020 #80
I was going to say something like that DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #88
Actually, your money has gone to support those people just a little bit longer than without. eggplant Mar 2020 #111
uh huh ... CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #51
And if DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #89
Booze, cigs, and toilet paper exboyfil Mar 2020 #103
Let's remain calm and not spread mass panic..we are not there yet onetexan Mar 2020 #5
Darn thing is that you could be infecting others well before symptoms show up. Kaleva Mar 2020 #7
So what are you going to do then - sit at home and sulk? onetexan Mar 2020 #9
No sit at home and play video games and enjoy your family that's all we got right now uponit7771 Mar 2020 #13
Hear, hear! AllyCat Mar 2020 #17
+1, the lack of unfettered testing is really hurting America bad. We wont know for weeks... uponit7771 Mar 2020 #19
tRump is blaming President Obama! Scarsdale Mar 2020 #38
Tom Hanks only knows he's infected because he is in AUSTRALIA. OMGWTF Mar 2020 #49
Just hope DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #90
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2020 #96
I imagine you would sulk. You come across as such a person. Kaleva Mar 2020 #15
Hobbies and projects Rorey Mar 2020 #42
The internet and cell phones will make self imposed isolation easier. Kaleva Mar 2020 #66
You sound like a judgemental person. Did i say i would sulk? onetexan Mar 2020 #70
Looks like many here don't agree with your attitude towards the safety of others Kaleva Mar 2020 #72
who cares? I follow the city's advisement not to panic and take precautions. I'm not quarantining onetexan Mar 2020 #73
You are irresponsible. You may not know you have it and could spread it. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #91
Cut the judgemental attitude onetexan Mar 2020 #97
Then the rest of is will have to flatten the curve for you. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2020 #26
I understand your concern and wnylib Mar 2020 #32
Get the Russians and the gop Scarsdale Mar 2020 #41
Why sulk? The Genealogist Mar 2020 #59
Same here. There are many wnylib Mar 2020 #65
i was being snarky towards the person i responded to onetexan Mar 2020 #71
While on may understand your desire to get out and about, you ought to read this. Kaleva Mar 2020 #67
That Thread Is A Mess ProfessorGAC Mar 2020 #110
That is Rebl2 Mar 2020 #25
If we don't get there quick we're screwed, we have no way of knowing who has it because uponit7771 Mar 2020 #12
Just got back from Lowes. cwydro Mar 2020 #39
Yeah, good luck with business as usual. What a pity the others you contact may not be so lucky. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #92
Trump-Republicons own this and own tRump. All of it. They voted, enable & protect him Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #8
Yes they do. Scarsdale Mar 2020 #44
The Elephant Gang is a deadly criminal gang. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #68
Exactly onecaliberal Mar 2020 #56
Better than a Martial Law announcement... moonseller66 Mar 2020 #10
+1, this is no doubt on purpose uponit7771 Mar 2020 #14
Could well be. Ligyron Mar 2020 #24
It would be interesting but I think rump is too stupid to do plan something like this...I think ... SWBTATTReg Mar 2020 #61
I agree I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2020 #75
Have you read this? Newest Reality Mar 2020 #58
Alternative to closing polls wnylib Mar 2020 #64
a large bottle of hand sanitizer is included in our election supplies yellowdogintexas Mar 2020 #84
My voting site uses paper ballots wnylib Mar 2020 #85
I actually started to notice symptoms this morning Victor_c3 Mar 2020 #16
I find with my allergy meds that it takes a full 24 hours marybourg Mar 2020 #20
That's what I thought too. I've been taking them since Monday. n/t Victor_c3 Mar 2020 #21
How are you feeling today? marybourg Mar 2020 #115
A little bit worse, but not really bad Victor_c3 Mar 2020 #117
"it would have been prudent and effective to call the fire department" lagomorph777 Mar 2020 #18
This is the problem with a malignant narcissist mnhtnbb Mar 2020 #22
Don't fk with rich peoples' money. Bernie Madeoff is in prison because he stole from the rich. OMGWTF Mar 2020 #54
Reduced travel and demand for fuel bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #23
The overriding purpose of christofascist government is security for the select. Thomas Hurt Mar 2020 #27
You calling this cluster with Jared assigned now, to what half the roles, a government? Brainfodder Mar 2020 #28
My GF's daughter works at a movie theater that serves food. (fill in your favorite theater) Javaman Mar 2020 #29
Denial becomes a bad habit. SEEING reality compels one to DO. Seeing compels UP FRONT effort in ancianita Mar 2020 #31
I was headed to visit family in Florida... Historic NY Mar 2020 #33
Sorry - Disney is closing 3/16 thru the end of March. Totally Tunsie Mar 2020 #83
Were Members might just up and lounge around the hotel pools... Historic NY Mar 2020 #94
I got a little personal good news Chainfire Mar 2020 #34
Good for you, but I wouldn't call them "heroes" Rorey Mar 2020 #53
Your fire analogy is great DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #52
+1, uponit7771 Mar 2020 #102
Classic republican wet dream... WyattKansas Mar 2020 #69
Stay The Fuck Home Danascot Mar 2020 #74
Thank you!! Be responsible!. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #93
The problem is that we don't know where the horizontal line will fall. greymattermom Mar 2020 #99
+1, becaus there's no unfettered testing uponit7771 Mar 2020 #101
The analysis in this post Danascot Mar 2020 #107
Our company is going to essential personnel only. zackymilly Mar 2020 #76
My fear is Trump will luck out and by doc03 Mar 2020 #79
"No mother, it's just the northern lights!" coti Mar 2020 #82
If the weather permits where you are, go outside! DesertRat Mar 2020 #95
Yeah I'm getting some cycling in. 47of74 Mar 2020 #108
Sounds good DesertRat Mar 2020 #109
You beat me to it! robbob Mar 2020 #113
I was fortunate to walk for an hour today, listening to an audiobook DesertRat Mar 2020 #114
Why stay coooped up? 47of74 Mar 2020 #116
trump and the GOP have failed duforsure Mar 2020 #98
K&R, ...and will stay shut down till unfettered testing starts uponit7771 Mar 2020 #100
At least we have a 10 zillion dollar miltary Blues Heron Mar 2020 #104
Huge failure Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2020 #106

JenniferJuniper

(4,512 posts)
1. My trash is picked up every Friday at
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:30 AM
Mar 2020

7:05 am. Like clockwork. They still haven't shown. My nephew works for the town and tells me they are very short staffed as a lot of guys didn't come in. They are probably not sick, but maybe just in avoidance mode.

Just the beginning. So many things we haven't even thought about.

at140

(6,110 posts)
55. My trash was picked up yesterday morning at usual time.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:52 AM
Mar 2020

This morning I was at Aldi food store to buy basic food items,
and the shelves were fully stocked. Plenty of water bottles, TP, fruits and vegetables.
I love the dark chocolate bars they have made in Germany.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
2. The CDC is now telling everyone 60 and older to stay home according to a headline on my states
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:34 AM
Mar 2020

news site (didn't bother to read it because it ain't gonna happen).

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
30. This is an over 60 household
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:20 AM
Mar 2020

We are not going out!

I don't know how long our food supply will last but WE ARE NOT GOING OUT OK?



snowybirdie

(5,225 posts)
35. Ordered Wal-Mart pick up
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:27 AM
Mar 2020

Today. They claim I just show up and my food will be put into my car. Hope it works well

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
37. It works well. I use it frequently.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:31 AM
Mar 2020

Most people get out and help them load the bags, but you don’t have to.

You do have to sign a screen.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
45. them & Meijers have curb side pickup, you can also order online & have it shipped to you
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:40 AM
Mar 2020

I have done that a lot.

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
48. This is very useful infomation
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:46 AM
Mar 2020

Thank you, I was unaware of this.

There is a Walmart about 30 miles from here. I will check into it.

I hope they will deliver or load the car as I am disabled w/MS and frightened to death!



True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
105. I have not ordered food yet
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 07:49 AM
Mar 2020

But since the Insurance companies are giving $240 per year for OTC products, $70 per quarter I go to the APP, order directly from Walmart, it arrives on my front porch.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
77. Not available in our zip code.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 05:56 PM
Mar 2020

So my MIL ordered stuff anyway. Came from Indiana, So Carolina, to Georgia. Made no sense at all.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
40. No need to go out if you can stay in, its the best way to avoid infection, but some, like myself
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:35 AM
Mar 2020

have jobs, responsibilities that require leaving home. Luckily my work doesn't require much people exposure but is required to keep Emergency communications up & running for my county, local hospital, ect... I always take precautions against sickness, have carried hand sanitizers for years & haven't been sick for over ten years so knock on wood.

marlakay

(11,457 posts)
50. Is anyone finding it hard not to go out?
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:46 AM
Mar 2020

We are 63 & 70 and have gone out probably once a day quickly then right back home last few days. My senior olli classes just got canceled for a month, i am wondering if i should go to bookclub this Sunday.

We aren’t going to movies, out to eat, coffee, our usual activities and since I was sick fighting sinus infection last week and home I am already antsy.

My husband was just playing loud hard rock which he normally only does when i am gone. Maybe he is trying to block out other noise! Lol

If we survive being stuck together cooped up is more the question....


DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
86. And to think
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:22 PM
Mar 2020

that ALL the TrumpHumpers and 2nd Amendment people have preached is their Rights to FREEDOM and now WE end up getting restricted to our houses due to their elected official's actions and in-actions.......it's laughable.......

forthemiddle

(1,379 posts)
4. Can I suggest
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:43 AM
Mar 2020

If you are not in an area yet affected, and if you do not show any symptoms, and if you are not elderly or immune compromised (I know a lot of ifs)......
Get out this weekend and spend money at your local establishments.
As long as there are no big crowds, get out there and help your community while you can. These small businesses are going to be in a world of hurt for the unforseen future, and they need our help now.
I am shopping, eating out, and enjoying what might be the last weekend for a bit. I will be washing my hands, avoiding touching, etc.
Obviously this won’t work in every area of the Country, but if you can, do it, and enjoy! Get away from the doom and gloom for a little while.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
6. I'm going to a comedy show tomorrow
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:54 AM
Mar 2020

One that didn't get cancelled because it is a smaller venue. Going to see Randy from Trailer Park Boys. LOL! I've got tickets to two other shows that were coming up this month that have been postponed because they have 250+ at those shows. Don't know when they'll be rescheduled. Can always get a refund if I can't make it.

forthemiddle

(1,379 posts)
11. I have a girls weekend scheduled for two weeks from now
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:08 AM
Mar 2020

And we have tickets to a concert (more of dinner show, so not a mass gathering).
As of now we assume it will be canceled, but as long as we are all healthy we are still going to the rented house and enjoying a weekend of fun, games, and probably a few bottles of wine!

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
36. Have fun!
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:28 AM
Mar 2020

I just returned home from Walmart in southern Wisconsin. Every register has a notice on it, limiting supplies of hand sanitizer, toilet paper, disinfectant wipes and other items. I was surprised. I do not think the virus has hit here - yet.

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
87. we started five weeks ago.......
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:23 PM
Mar 2020

And we don't even have the "supreme intelligence" that our leader talks about having.........LOL

OMGWTF

(3,955 posts)
46. I love the Trailer Park Boys!
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:44 AM
Mar 2020

Saw Ricky, Julien, and Bubbles in Seattle several years ago. Did not know Randy was doing stand-up.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
112. The event just got cancelled
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 04:09 PM
Mar 2020

Now every event I was planning on going to this month has been cancelled. At least the kids still have school, karate, and swimming lessons for the time being. Also, we seem to be having an early spring, so at least we can go for more walks outside.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
80. With the business downturn over COVID-19, it's possible
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 06:23 PM
Mar 2020

that a lot of these smaller businesses won't survive. Use caution when committing your $$$ for future use. Those gift cards can wind up worthless in a heartbeat. It can help the business in the short run and screw the purchaser in the long term.

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
88. I was going to say something like that
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:25 PM
Mar 2020

and then read your post......BRAVO

When they all go bankrupt, your money has gone bye-bye......

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
111. Actually, your money has gone to support those people just a little bit longer than without.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:19 PM
Mar 2020

The whole point of buying them in the first place is to help prop them up for a while. If they still go under, you can still feel good that you helped out in this time of crisis.

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
89. And if
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:30 PM
Mar 2020

you can, stock up on drugs from your local dealer...........I was in a liquor store yesterday, and it was like prohibition was going to be declared a couple of days from now.......especially in the Grain Alcohol Section (180? Proof) People were carrying out two wheeler dollies of cases of wine and liquor.......holy shit, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.......

onetexan

(13,040 posts)
5. Let's remain calm and not spread mass panic..we are not there yet
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:53 AM
Mar 2020

I am going on with my life now and this weekend as usual - getting my yard ready for spring planting. I'll be visiting nurseries and Lowe's. I'll be out with my friends for a meal. I have my hand sanitizer with me at all times. When i get home i wash my hands religiously. I do everything in my control to be careful. If i happen to catch it, it's beyond my control, and at that point once it's manifested i will quarantine and do whatever i can to get well. No use panicking at this juncture.

onetexan

(13,040 posts)
9. So what are you going to do then - sit at home and sulk?
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:01 AM
Mar 2020

While i KNOW that i'm healthy, i'm going to continue to frequent the local establishments to support them, and so our economy doesn't continue to go to heck.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
13. No sit at home and play video games and enjoy your family that's all we got right now
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:14 AM
Mar 2020

... spreading the disease isn't going to help anyone

AllyCat

(16,184 posts)
17. Hear, hear!
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:28 AM
Mar 2020

Yes, this sucks. We need to take drastic steps now because our incompetent leadership did not act.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
19. +1, the lack of unfettered testing is really hurting America bad. We wont know for weeks...
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:33 AM
Mar 2020

... who is infected and who is not.

That's going to stop the train

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
38. tRump is blaming President Obama!
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:33 AM
Mar 2020

WHEN will the reporters get disgusted with this behavior? tRump was not presidential material, will NEVER be presidential material. He is what he is - a total failure as a husband, father and human being. Damn the gop, we need to get every one of them out of office. They are responsible for this mess, too.

OMGWTF

(3,955 posts)
49. Tom Hanks only knows he's infected because he is in AUSTRALIA.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:46 AM
Mar 2020

If he was in the US he wouldn't get tested and would be infecting others.

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
90. Just hope
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:33 PM
Mar 2020

the internet and cell phone system doesn't crash. Or the Electrical grid, which would take out most of both of them......

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
15. I imagine you would sulk. You come across as such a person.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:24 AM
Mar 2020

I prefer not to put myself and others at risk.

I planned ahead and have more then enough hobbies and projects to keep myself busy for an extended period of time.

Your comment:

" i'm going to continue to frequent the local establishments to support them, and so our economy doesn't continue to go to heck."

Your patronage isn't going to make a bit a difference so it's an invalid argument.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
42. Hobbies and projects
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:37 AM
Mar 2020

Having something to do is something that a lot of people don't think about. I mean, I've got plenty of tp, but using it doesn't really occupy that many minutes of my day.

Seriously, though, I've been thinking a lot about what things to do while I'm pretty much isolating myself. I've always got a long list of projects, so hopefully I can motivate myself to do them. One very big plus is that we can interact online, which is something we couldn't do back in the day. I grew up in ND, and there were times we were stranded at home because of a blizzard. Often times the power would go out. Four days without electricity was horrible.

I was thinking that there probably wouldn't be any harm in going for a drive now and then. It'll probably be a mood-brightener. If we have nice weather, I can work in my yard.

I do feel bad for the people who own and/or work at establishments that are going to take a hit, but I won't be going out to eat or doing any shopping or going to any events. We're a spoiled civilization, it seems, so I'm sure a lot of folks are just going to live life as usual and do nothing to slow the virus so our medical facilities can better handle what's coming.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
66. The internet and cell phones will make self imposed isolation easier.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:07 PM
Mar 2020

I have skills that allow me to handle numerous projects around the house and I'm looking forward to spring when i can work on the yard and vegetable garden!

Your comment:

"I do feel bad for the people who own and/or work at establishments that are going to take a hit, but I won't be going out to eat or doing any shopping or going to any events. We're a spoiled civilization, it seems, so I'm sure a lot of folks are just going to live life as usual and do nothing to slow the virus so our medical facilities can better handle what's coming."

I agree.

onetexan

(13,040 posts)
70. You sound like a judgemental person. Did i say i would sulk?
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:20 PM
Mar 2020

Unless i have symptoms or feel sick then i will stay home. Until then, i am living life as usual. Put a sock on your preaching. It falls on deaf ears.

onetexan

(13,040 posts)
73. who cares? I follow the city's advisement not to panic and take precautions. I'm not quarantining
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:39 PM
Mar 2020

myself unless i have symptoms.

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
91. You are irresponsible. You may not know you have it and could spread it.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:45 PM
Mar 2020

Who cares? The people you could infect because you don't.

onetexan

(13,040 posts)
97. Cut the judgemental attitude
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 02:07 AM
Mar 2020

You can disagree but dont be rashjudging people. You're entitled to your opinion but it ends there

wnylib

(21,445 posts)
32. I understand your concern and
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:21 AM
Mar 2020

your motivation. But I think the financial situation is too large to resolve that way. It will take federal intervention and stimulus.

We are on the brink of a depression, not a recession. We dodged a bullet in '08 when we chose a new president. Let's hope history repeats itself this year.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
41. Get the Russians and the gop
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:35 AM
Mar 2020

the HELL out of the way, and we can elect an adult next time. We tried to last time, but the gop blurred all the lines for Russia.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
59. Why sulk?
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:55 AM
Mar 2020

I can work from home. I have activities to entertain myself at home without goimg anywhere. I can go out in the yard and get fresh air. I have food. I am not holing up yet, but if I have to there is plenty to keep me occupied. Not going to be sulking.

wnylib

(21,445 posts)
65. Same here. There are many
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:05 PM
Mar 2020

people can do at home. Staying home is not sulking.

For entertainment there are TV and online streaming, music, games, books and time for any indoor hobbies.

Phones and computers for outside contact. Indoor home projects. I've got several in mind for myself.

onetexan

(13,040 posts)
71. i was being snarky towards the person i responded to
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:24 PM
Mar 2020

if you read my post correctly earlier, you'll see i'm certainly not one to sulk. I work at home and i have plenty to keep myself busy. But I'm not one to panic. To me life has to go on. We have to take necessary precautions but life doesn't stop because of it.
I'm listening to Austin's health authority right now since they've just released info that we have 2 cases here, and he says NOT to panic.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
110. That Thread Is A Mess
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 11:52 AM
Mar 2020

The OP got launched so there's several exchanges that go nowhere because the replies are blank.
Some posts are good, but the thread is no longer very useful.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
12. If we don't get there quick we're screwed, we have no way of knowing who has it because
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:14 AM
Mar 2020

... Trump has screwed up the testing

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
39. Just got back from Lowes.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:33 AM
Mar 2020

Will spend the afternoon planting, then ordering pickup from my favorite Vietnamese restaurant.

I haven’t changed anything.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
8. Trump-Republicons own this and own tRump. All of it. They voted, enable & protect him
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:59 AM
Mar 2020

Trump-Republicons own this crisis

Republicons plowed the ground for tRump
Republicons seeded the ground with trumpanzees
Republicons created tRump as a Republ Icon in 2015-16
Republicons elected tRump candidate
Republicons endorsed tRump
Republicons voted for tRump
Republicons enable tRump
Republicons defend tRump
Republicons protect tRump

Trump-Republicons own this.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
44. Yes they do.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:38 AM
Mar 2020

Come to think of it, tRump resembles an elephant. Large, clumsy and destroys everything in it's way. Only thing is, the elephant does not know any better. tRump should, but he doesn't either.

moonseller66

(430 posts)
10. Better than a Martial Law announcement...
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:04 AM
Mar 2020

The country shuts down. Everything closes - comes to a stop.
Just in time for the primaries. Don't go to the polls! You could get the virus! That's the next scare.

Keep it up long enough with delaying tactics and Novemnber comes with polling places closed.
Best possible Voter Suppression for Repubs. Elections maybe in 2021..late? or never?

Then when the Military has been weakened, PU-tin might even offer to help...after Blackwater et al, of course.

Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
24. Could well be.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:08 AM
Mar 2020

It would be interesting to know who shorted stocks just before Dump opened his mouth and made the whole thing way worse.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
61. It would be interesting but I think rump is too stupid to do plan something like this...I think ...
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:21 PM
Mar 2020

this time around, instead of the innuendoes and pushing the markets up or down so his buddies could make some money on his words, this time around, he screwed it up royally and ended up screwing all of his buddies.
Who could have ever predicted such a rout in the markets over such a short period of time? There has been talk (even on DU) by some that the markets were due finally for some correction (after 11 +- years) so not surprising what-so-ever. What is disturbing the markets is rump. And it's not the Russian/Saudi Arabia oil partnership either (to address the US fracking / oil market dominance).

No, personally I think he cost his buddies big time. And I agree w/ you, that some people have made a killing (pardon my unintentional pun) in the markets by shorting them.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
75. I agree
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 05:53 PM
Mar 2020

People may have to take to the streets in November. Hopefully coronavirus will be dying out by than.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
58. Have you read this?
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:55 AM
Mar 2020

I thought I would dust it off and bring it to light.

Now, from a conspiratorial view, not acting swiftly on the potential of a pandemic, (and the virus could well have been here since January, but unconfirmed) would fit the MO of a dictator. That may sound extreme, but my bias is that a national emergency would assist Trump and the GOP in what they are actually trying to accomplish: weaken us, destroy things, assume more control.

These are NOT the good old days of partisan politics, and I think that is the bias or filter that people are using when they fail to really see the gravity of the situation and what it implies.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/

wnylib

(21,445 posts)
64. Alternative to closing polls
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:55 PM
Mar 2020

Wear rubber gloves - all poll workers and voters. Have them available at the entrance.

Wear face masks if available.

Trash cans with lids for disposal of gloves on the way out. Graphic signs to illustrate proper glove and mask removal. The kind of trash can you open with your foot.

Carry or have at the poll exits some Lysol or Chlorox wipes to use on face after removing gloves and masks.

Go straight home and take a shower, throw clothes in washer and wash immediately..

Or, use mail in ballots. But who collects and delivers the mail? Counts the ballots? They will need protection.

Online voting? How to safeguard it and verify eligible voters?

yellowdogintexas

(22,252 posts)
84. a large bottle of hand sanitizer is included in our election supplies
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:36 PM
Mar 2020

and has been for years. We put it where the voters can use it.
My alternate and I discussed gloves, but I forgot to get them.
Our touch screen e-poll books and Duo voting machines work with stylus so we are on the prowl for cheap ones to have on every voting machine, at least at my polling place.

We have a damn runoff and a local option election in May. How much you want to bet nobody comes to vote?

I can see it now US Senate: MJ Hager 1 Royce West 1 It won't be that bad of course because Texas is a big state but runoffs are the worst for turnout. At least I get to earn a little money.

wnylib

(21,445 posts)
85. My voting site uses paper ballots
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:12 PM
Mar 2020

to mark and slide into a scanner. They provide pens but I would use my own now. Don't want to touch one that others have handled. But I would also have to use the surface they provide for laying down the ballot to mark it. That means part of my hand would rest on that surface.

Same with signing my name in the registration book.

So I will wear gloves. And go at a time when fewer people are there.

This could influence the balance of the presidential primary vote, according to who shows up.

My primary is in April.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
16. I actually started to notice symptoms this morning
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:27 AM
Mar 2020

Coughing, congestion, sore throat, headache. I don’t know if I have a fever as I don’t own a thermometer, but I certainly don’t feel well.

Usually I have allergies that make me feel like this and I take Allegra-D and my symptoms go away. Today, I took the medication and it hasn’t made a difference in how I feel.

Out of respect for people around me, I am just going to stay inside for the next day or two and see how I feel. The scary thing is that if I did catch the virus, then where did I get it from? There are no confirmed cases anywhere around me and I’m usually not the type of person to go out into public places very often. If I have the Coronavirus, then there must be vastly more people infected than is being reported.

Yesterday, my state’s (Ohio) health department announced that they estimate as many as 100,000 might currently be infected!

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
117. A little bit worse, but not really bad
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 12:31 PM
Mar 2020

I did speak with a nurse at my local Veterans Administration hospital and they are keeping an eye on me.

I’ve been isolating myself since Friday.

If they start doing testing anywhere around here, I’ll get myself tested.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
18. "it would have been prudent and effective to call the fire department"
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:30 AM
Mar 2020

...but instead, President Turd fired the fire department.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-struggles-explain-why-he-disbanded-his-global-health-team-n1153221

One of Donald Trump's most important missteps in dealing with the coronavirus outbreak happened before anyone had even heard of COVID-19. In fact, the president's first error came back in 2018.

It was two years ago when Trump ordered the shutdown of the White House National Security Council's entire global health security unit. NBC News had a good report on this recently, noting that the president's decision "to downsize the White House national security staff -- and eliminate jobs addressing global pandemics -- is likely to hamper the U.S. government's response to the coronavirus."

It was against this backdrop that a reporter asked Trump late last week about whether he was prepared to "rethink having an Office of Pandemic Preparation in the White House." The president replied:

"I just think this is something, Peter, that you can never really think is going to happen. You know, who -- I've heard all about, 'This could be...' -- you know, 'This could be a big deal,' from before it happened. You know, this -- something like this could happen.... Who would have thought? Look, how long ago is it? Six, seven, eight weeks ago -- who would have thought we would even be having the subject? ... You never really know when something like this is going to strike and what it's going to be."

It's worth emphasizing that this is Trump's second explanation related to his decision to disband his global health security team. "I'm a business person," he explained two weeks ago in response to a similar question. "I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them. When we need them, we can get them back very quickly."

mnhtnbb

(31,384 posts)
22. This is the problem with a malignant narcissist
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:50 AM
Mar 2020

holding office. Combined with the fact that Obama put the global health security team in place which meant Trump was going to get rid of it regardless, means he can never accept someone being more knowledgeable or informed than he is.

I do think this is the end of Trump. The Wall Street gang are seeing first hand what it means to their wallets to have an incompetent, ignorant, malignant narcissist in the Oval Office.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
27. The overriding purpose of christofascist government is security for the select.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:17 AM
Mar 2020

The only number of people dying that matters to the fascists is a large enough number to make them look bad.

Perception, selective populism, propaganda, hyperindividualism.

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
29. My GF's daughter works at a movie theater that serves food. (fill in your favorite theater)
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:19 AM
Mar 2020

the studios are cutting back releases.

the theater has already stated that they may have to lay off people due to sales being down. no one is going to the movies.

she's freaking out. She and her husband both work there.

ancianita

(36,048 posts)
31. Denial becomes a bad habit. SEEING reality compels one to DO. Seeing compels UP FRONT effort in
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:20 AM
Mar 2020

time, money and manpower.

The lazy take pains to avoid effort. And so they avoid seeing.

And so the denial habit. So the bubble habit.

Denial and mindlessness are the twin habits of the lazy.

Love is effort. Laziness is anti-love.

The lazy fake love as effort to get real effort back, but they don't ever make real, helpful effort because they don't want to see what needs doing. What needs attention.

They are the banality of evil. Destroyers of communities and civilizations.

We can still learn from what we've experienced, and never forget. Never forget. Forgetting is a form of laziness, too. That's what they depend on from society, and why they come out of their dark places from time to time.

We will not be safe from our own forgetfulness or fear.

So we have to SEE this historical event as a lesson of our history.
And not forget it. Not sugar coat it. Not legitimize it.
But teach it going forward.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
33. I was headed to visit family in Florida...
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:23 AM
Mar 2020

Disney for a couple days and then to the beach and a few sites around where they live. Family member nurse at the VA which is locked down.MY SIL lives in an adult community. I am waiting to see if the flight gets canceled. But on their other hand the local Irish celebration is still on, it outside. Disney Springs where all the shops and eatery's are is still open.

The regional air line carrier set out their virus policy which might cause a delay for them to disinfect all the exposed areas of the seats etc on the plane. I plan on bringing wipes and a mask.

I haven't been out in any large groups this winter except for the funeral home last week (non virus). Shooping and to local government facilities.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
94. Were Members might just up and lounge around the hotel pools...
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 12:47 AM
Mar 2020

Disney springs is still open so we with have dinner there. They live an hour away.

Chainfire

(17,536 posts)
34. I got a little personal good news
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:24 AM
Mar 2020

I am shutting down too!

The state agency that my wife works for has decided to let anyone over age 60 or with other significant issues to work from home. (my wife qualifies on both points) My wife will have to go in on Monday, pick up a secure laptop and work from here. She retires in three weeks, so she will not go back to her office after Monday. On her retirement day, she will box up the laptop, send it back, and I am going to strongly suggest that she also change here cell phone number. I did that on my way home from my last day of work just to let the institution know, that while I was loyal as hell as long as I was on the payroll, that I no longer gave a damn about what happened at work.

It is my plan to not leave my property for at least the next three or four weeks, and I have provisions for eight weeks without having to make any dietary changes. I am changing the security code on my driveway gate and hanging a "No Trespassing" sign on it, and I will stay here and work on flower beds and fixing the roof on the barn, and building new fence. I am going to name my place The Hermitage and live up to it.

I am nearly 70, and I have heart issues; based on the proposition that it is better to be too cautious than too lax, I am going to let all of the heroes continue life as if everything was normal while I hide out......(I come from a long line of cowards with exceptionally long lifespans)

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
53. Good for you, but I wouldn't call them "heroes"
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:49 AM
Mar 2020

I'm actually pretty furious at the folks who aren't bothering to educate themselves, and those who are minimizing this.

Sure, most of the younger people will either not get it, will have such a mild case that they barely notice it, or will recover quickly. Because they're too damned stubborn/arrogant/selfish/whatever, they'll end up hurting others. They just can't even comprehend the burden this is going to put on the health care system.

Hey, nothing wrong with being a "coward" with this thing.


DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
52. Your fire analogy is great
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:48 AM
Mar 2020

It has now reached what fire command would call a conflagration.........

don't give Trump all the credit. He would not have lasted one day after Inauguration if it weren't for the Republican Senators and Republican Party.

IT IS THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS THAT GIVE HIM THIS UN-CHECKABLE POWER. IF THEY STAY IN THE MAJORITY, WASF.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
69. Classic republican wet dream...
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:17 PM
Mar 2020

They must prove that the government is not needed by letting the free market take care of it all.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
99. The problem is that we don't know where the horizontal line will fall.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 07:13 AM
Mar 2020

What if it's much lower than shown?

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
107. The analysis in this post
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 08:33 AM
Mar 2020

has some discussion of health care capacity.

Https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213067130

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
76. Our company is going to essential personnel only.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 05:56 PM
Mar 2020

Unfortunately, that includes me, but they are talking about triple pay. I'd rather not get sick.

doc03

(35,328 posts)
79. My fear is Trump will luck out and by
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 06:06 PM
Mar 2020

November the markets will recover. I don't want to see millions of people get sick but if that happens we May have that asshole another 4 years. You know what a short memory the American people have 1/2 them now think Trump inherited a recession.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
95. If the weather permits where you are, go outside!
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:02 AM
Mar 2020

We should practice social distancing, staying away from crowds, but we can still go walking, hiking, camping, kayaking, whatever you enjoy or have been meaning to try.
I went for a hike today and felt so good afterward. A boost of Vitamin N (Nature) can keep your spirit healthy.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
108. Yeah I'm getting some cycling in.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 08:58 AM
Mar 2020

It was warm enough yesterday afternoon to go do that. I might go do some later today too.

robbob

(3,528 posts)
113. You beat me to it!
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:55 PM
Mar 2020

I can go for a walk, in fact every place I’ve every lived, big city or small town, I could always find wide open space and get some fresh air without coming within 100 yards of another soul. So why stay cooped up? The fresh air will probably make you feel better.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
114. I was fortunate to walk for an hour today, listening to an audiobook
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:12 PM
Mar 2020

It really helped to lift my spirits.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
116. Why stay coooped up?
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 11:13 PM
Mar 2020

Well some people look down their noses at others who so much as leave their bedrooms during this time even if when they do so they don't come within even 2000 yards of another person the entire time they are out. More than one person has been put on my block list because of this. I'm doing what I can and trying to minimize being out but I am going to ride my fucking bike because I am not around others then. I have to keep exercising. Anyone not liking that has two choices - they can keep either their self righteous counsel to themselves or risk getting a four letter symphony they won't soon forget.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
98. trump and the GOP have failed
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:41 AM
Mar 2020

And now want to lie their way out of this by hiding the truth , they've caused this health crisis to be a lot worse then it should have been. trump at every turn does things to undermine the government to adequately response , instead slowing response then trump claims they're doing great, when they aren't. He had nothing to do with the Mnuckin Pelosi agreement other than try to claim he was behind that when he wasn't and tried to undermine that too. He's done that before too. trump has made this worse by his lying too . We don't have testing available to everyone now because of trump, no matter who HE claims is responsible , and its never him. His I'm not responsible will be played by Democrats until the election over and over again admitting he failed us . Watch trump now weaponize this virus by using it to hurt people more with , not help them.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
106. Huge failure
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 07:54 AM
Mar 2020

And there will still be dumbasses that will vote for Trump in the fall. I guess they must enjoy the lack of toilet paper.

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