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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 05:40 PM Mar 2020

For no particular reason at all------

I recall watching a documentary many many years ago about the couple who basically lived with a pack of timber wolves for a year or so, studying their behavior, their hierarchy and how they cooperate and maintain order within the pack. They filmed hours and hours of the pack's interactions and edited it down to a two hour or so program.

The part of the documentary that made the deepest impression on me involved how the leader of the pack---the "Alpha male"--- dealt with a pup that was repeatedly too aggressive with its litter mates.

Rough play is a normal part of a wolf pup's behavior and an essential part of its development. But, most understand that it is play and while they grasp each other with their teeth as they wrestle, they don't bite down with force. Any "nip" is accidental and it is very rare for skin to be broken---usually.

In the documentary, one pup in a litter of five or six was attacking his brothers and sisters again and again, causing yips and squeals of pain. Even when they fled from him, he pursued them, snarling loudly and snapping at them. The Alpha watched it all for several minutes.

Finally, when the "bully" had seized a sister by the throat and was about to do serious harm to her, the Alpha rose, seized him in his massive jaws and---bit him in half.

The group survives and prospers only when members respect each other. The bully pup was a threat to the unity needed to function as a pack. That threat was removed by the leader. Nature can be cruel, but it is almost always efficient.

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For no particular reason at all------ (Original Post) Atticus Mar 2020 OP
I like it.😉 dewsgirl Mar 2020 #1
'The group survives and prospers only when members respect each other. elleng Mar 2020 #2
For all of Mike Pence's yammering today leftieNanner Mar 2020 #3
How about the jaws of 75 - 85 million voters this fall? CaptYossarian Mar 2020 #4
OH YES!!! nt leftieNanner Mar 2020 #8
Yeah if only we had a leader. *sigh* nt live love laugh Mar 2020 #5
K and effin R. Great post yonder Mar 2020 #6
I remember this video. marked50 Mar 2020 #7
You are correct. I condensed it because I hate to type and I wasn't sure anyone would Atticus Mar 2020 #9
Actually, I think that it was a great video and that you bring it marked50 Mar 2020 #10

elleng

(131,084 posts)
2. 'The group survives and prospers only when members respect each other.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 05:42 PM
Mar 2020

The bully pup was a threat to the unity needed to function as a pack. That threat was removed by the leader. Nature can be cruel, but it is almost always efficient.'

leftieNanner

(15,148 posts)
3. For all of Mike Pence's yammering today
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 05:43 PM
Mar 2020

I don't think his jaws are powerful enough to dispatch the bully.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
4. How about the jaws of 75 - 85 million voters this fall?
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 05:57 PM
Mar 2020

66 million of us weren't enough last time.

We need to defeat the Electoral College and Vlad too to beat one opponent.

marked50

(1,368 posts)
7. I remember this video.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 07:32 PM
Mar 2020

The only thing I would add to this commentary is that the Alpha male attempted a "correction" to the errant pup earlier, with growls and direct contact with that pup. When that feedback was not sufficient he took that dramatic resolution.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
9. You are correct. I condensed it because I hate to type and I wasn't sure anyone would
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 08:26 PM
Mar 2020

be interested enough to read a longer version.

That was---what?---20 years ago?

marked50

(1,368 posts)
10. Actually, I think that it was a great video and that you bring it
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 08:51 PM
Mar 2020

up may get people to seek it out and see it. The video was very convincing as to observing what it takes for cooperation in the wolf population. Maybe not something we, humans, would do as a remedy but enlightening anyway. I think I actually came across this video here on DU a short, few years ago. Thanks for posting your commentary.

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