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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsShopping today restored my faith in Humanity.
We live in the Poconos, PA. Husband and I are 71. He is a disabled Vet. We went for the first time shopping at local Commissary.
Quite a number of Vets and Soldiers in the uniforms. Fully stocked, even with TP. No Panic, Small with narrow aisles. People here helping people; young t old and visa versa. Husband is 6'1" with Parkinson's. Young, petite woman could not reach top shelf. "I will set it for you", husband said. Near the meat section there were a crowd of people. I asked if there was any ground beef. A soldier handed to me. Thanks you.
Checkout out asile a young Minority woman ahead of my on Express THIRTY items or under, said she forget something. Can you hold my place in line? Sure why not? When the bagger (!!!!) at check out line asked if she would take out cart out to Parking Lot for us, I whispered to her that my hsuband uses the cart as his Walker. She nodded and smiled.
Then went to Senior Discount Day at Shop Rite for what we could not get at Commissary. Very similar situation of people helping other people. No panic, not SHUNNING others. with 6 foot distances. Went to buy canned tomatoes to make my own Gravy and by Pasta. Jar Sauce all gone and not Pasta except for two on top shelf. I started climbing (5'1"
the shelf to get it . young woman next to me who could not have 3 inches taller, said I will get it for you. Thank you so much. A couple of inches makes all the difference in the world. She could not stop laughing.
Check out line. Middle Aged Woman let me go ahead of her on line. Woman ahead of me in line was very elderly in her 80s. She was having trouble picking up her groceries and putting them in her cart. Can I help you? I loaded her cart for her. I am 71. We better all RUN to the Clorox Wipes.
Nobody in either of these places were TERRIFIED of being around and helping other people. Nobody was wearing masks, standing 6 feet away, or using hand santizers, etc.
Maybe many people care more about other PEOPLE, than themselves. Better lock everyone up in their home to prevents this CDC Disregard of "health standards. I say to you fellow DU'ers that YOU are the selfish people if this is how you feel.
The closest I can relate to this was living in NY after 9/11. This is how the public reacted them. We personally knew one man who carried other coworkers down the collapsing building. I don't think many of you DU'ers on here would have DONE THAT risking your own lives. Slam the Old Lady if you wish but I think some of you are the Selfish ones.
hlthe2b
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measures and then for YOU to state that we are being "selfish to follow the sciences based public health recommendations designed to protect you and me and all those lovely people of your community is disgusting.
We rightly disparage Trump and Fox for their attempts to downplay this pandemic and the recommendations of CDC and experts. Yet you come here and post the same? Even disparaging use of hand wipes?
You state:
Are you kidding me? That is as irresponsible as I have ever seen here.
I can only assume most people have not read your full post and missed it. Your trip may have restored your faith in humanity and I am glad for that, but your post denying the seriousness of this pandemic and the steps being taken to protect us all, has gone a long way to destroy my faith in you. It will be me, my sister, my Health Care Worker colleagues nearby and throughout the country who will put our lives at risk to save yours or that of the elderly community members you unintentionally infect if your blase' attitude leads you to fail to take basic self-protective measures that you so deride. So, I ask my fellow DUers, WHO IS THE SELFISH ONE?
ibegurpard
(17,081 posts)What an unbelievable post. Actually APPLAUDING people's perceived refusal to use hand sanitizer? JFC...
Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)Unbelievable.
renate
(13,776 posts)Thank you, hlthe2b, for the incredibly important and much appreciated work that you do.
lostnfound
(17,520 posts)A whole lot of people are wearing masks to be cautious about infecting OTHERS.
What you perceive as being shunned may in fact be being loved. Dear God, please dont take the old people away. I feel pretty emotional about that, the oldest among us are like sacred emissaries from another era, when they are gone, our world is poorer for it.
A young woman in my neighborhood made an offer on Nextdoor, to any one who is elderly or in a high risk group, she volunteered to do their shopping.
Why would you assume that the people on this website arent thinking of others?? I dont think I know enough about anyone here to make a judgment about whether theyd risk their lives for another (by carrying coworkers out of a collapsing building).
Please think the best of people. Maybe they are better than you think.
Walleye
(44,806 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)When someone posts a go fund me because they need a little help DUers send money and sympathy. When someone posts they need advice or prayers DUers send them. We are there for each other in good times and bad. It is you who are selfish to down play this crisis and not care if you get or pass this virus along.
LisaL
(47,423 posts)Social distancing is not for shunning, it's for protection. After 911, there was no danger of infection. This is different.
Hand sanitizer is for protection. Face masks are for protection.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)to PA to stay with us for a while. Husband and I are 71. Is she being selfish too? She sounded desperate on the phone. She is supposed to be teaching her 6 year old at home, but her 4 year old is Autistic. His special needs school has been shut down too. He is getting no services at home. Daughter cannot handle her son all alone. I am afraid. I worked with special needs kids in school. A couple of times had to call CPS on their parents for abuse. I do not wish that to happen to my daughter or grandson.
I am being selfish? Daughter is being selfish? Stay away from each other because of coronavirus? A LOT worse could happen than cornoravirus. Read between the lines of THAT.
lostnfound
(17,520 posts)Family is family. But for the first four days since her last contact with non-family members, you both need to be as cautious as possible. Frequent hand washing, try to hold off on the hugs and kisses for a few days.
Its a small price compared to her sitting outside of ICU while you fight for your life and she lives with the guilt for a preventable transmission.
She cares about you, so she is coming. We strangers here care about you too, and thats why we want you to stay healthy and posting on DU for decades to come. Well plus we Democrats need all the democratic votes we can get!
Best wishes, enjoy your time with your family.
Hugin
(37,848 posts)Over the past couple of weeks I've personally witnessed many many acts of breathtaking kindness and humanity.
It's not all bad. Not by a long shot.
GO! You crazy Samaritans! RAH!
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)From another Pocono's resident...
The OP was only trying to say that we can still act civilly during this time of fear.
You can walk down the food store aisles and douse your hands with sanitizer after you touch each and every item, or you can do it in the privacy of your car, after you have completed all the dangerous actions.
If you aren't next to a sneezing person, maybe a 6 ft distance is a guideline, not the law.
Are we going to start screaming at someone who is 5 ft away?
Common sense and civility will get us through this.
If you think about it, the screamers and overreactors are also the ones who may be this close (picture thumb and index finer about inch apart) to totally freaking out. When as a society we hit total freakout level, it can quickly devolve into violence and looting.
We all need to take a deep breath (through a properly effective face mask, if we have one
) and be calm. We will only get through this if we treat each other with courtesy. We are NOT pod people, trying to take over your life.
We STILL have to have it together enough to GET OUT THE VOTE in massive numbers to rid ourselves of the turd in the toilet bowl who MADE THIS CRISIS WORSE by refusing test kits offered by other countries, or admitting there was even a problem, ONLY worried about his poll numbers.
Let's save our energy and outrage for that little item on our "to do" list.
The end of the crisis will be bitter sweet if we are still alive, but are so afraid or anxious with each other that we are traumatized as a society. There is enough trauma to go around, without amplifying it with rudeness.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)I have worked in Nursing Homes as an CNA, MR/DD Day Hab and Group Homes. Public School Cafeterias. and Special Ed TA. In all these occupations had to take yearly Universal Precautions Certification and Testing. Spare me what the CDC is telling public to do. I could probably tell you far more than these minimum public announcements. Do you know how to remove contaminated disposal gloves without contaminating your clean bare hands? It is just plain common sense to wash your hands being out in public before eating, or preparing a meal at home. You do not needs all these santizers. A plain bar of soap and water will do. Want me to tell you HOW to do properly wash your hands?
Voting. There is talk about postponing the end of April Primary in PA, and in NY. Also consideration of only Mail in Ballot for EVERYONE. Is there enough time to do that? We have only lived in PA for 3 years. I read that only this year Governor Wolf removed the approved REASONS for requesting an Absentee Ballot. A qualified reason? Why??? First time I voted at the polls in Florida, I was greeted by a poll worker yelling, "Lookie here we go ourselves a Democrat". "Go vote on those special Democratic machines". Is that any pre-approved Absentee Ballot reason? Never voted at the polls in Florida after that for 10 years. Did not even have to request the mail in ballot. Florida sent it to me all the time after the first 3 requests.
Not to get too OT from my original post, but one way or another, I WILL vote in the Primary, including driving my elderly at risk self to the polls and standing on a line with strangers. I have never missed voting in all my voting years. Not starting now. "Selfish me".
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Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)Im glad people are helping each other. But using hand sanitizer and social distancing are necessary to prevent the spread of this virus.
Lars39
(26,540 posts)Thats foolish. You self distance so you dont give it or get it.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)in a supermarket how do you stand 6 feet away? Line up with your cart outside?
Lars39
(26,540 posts)the store is that small.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)cry baby
(6,876 posts)its a bit judgmental to say that were selfish if we follow CDC guidelines.
Everyone has circumstances that you might not have. Im caregiving for an elderly mother. Many people that are following the guidelines know that if they dont, they may cause misery or worse for a loved one or friend with a loved one with compromised immunity or asthma.
Lighten up on calling someone else selfish please. You dont know their circumstances. It isnt selfish at all to follow the guidelines.
Even people that look like they might be hoarding may be shopping for themselves and neighbors/elderly/sick loved ones. Some jerks are hoarding because theyre jerks, but dont judge the book by its cover.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)including having had two heart attacks. He goes out every day for lunch. Admitted it is out of boredom to just get out of the house in his retirement. He will not eat leftovers for lunch. I am not as bad as him. Do not need to go out all the time, and to socialize. I have a lot to do around the house home cooking and cleaning. I even make lists of what I need to do by the day. Spring Cleaning coming up. He does not go on social media. That can always amuse me, including going on FB talking to our kids in another state, and internet friends.
Edit: Maybe my husband with all his health conditions needs to stop going out to protect not just himself, but elderly ME too. lol