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ffr

(23,449 posts)
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 10:03 AM Mar 2020

Healthcare professionals: "This is a disaster." tRump gives N95 masks to ICE, not hospitals.

Where Are the Masks?

It’s like going to war with a butter knife.” That’s the description one physician in New York City offered for how he and his colleagues are trying to suppress the coronavirus, even as they deal with dwindling stocks of health-care supplies and personal protective equipment.

Over the past two days, I’ve talked with 22 health-care professionals, almost all of whom used metaphors and analogies usually reserved for combat movies. They are “soldiers” on the “front lines” and in the “trenches” fighting a “war” against a terrifying new “enemy” that is growing exponentially. But we’re failing these soldiers, sending them into battle without the weapons and armor they need to win.
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“I’ve got small kids to support. I can’t afford backlash from my institution [for speaking out],” said a physician from Baltimore, echoing the fears of many colleagues.
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“We are flying blind right now.”
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The shortage of personal protective equipment is particularly acute. Medical workers are supposed to be using N95 masks, which reduce their exposure by filtering out at least 95 percent of particles in the air...Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers, meanwhile, have access to N95 masks as they apprehend immigrants during a national pandemic. - The Atlantic


tRump and rePuticans are still prioritizing ICE arrests over Covid-19 public safety. Physicians shouldn't even have to consider threats against themselves and their families for speaking out.

Crazy times.

Incredible!
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Healthcare professionals: "This is a disaster." tRump gives N95 masks to ICE, not hospitals. (Original Post) ffr Mar 2020 OP
JHC hlthe2b Mar 2020 #1
Kick dalton99a Mar 2020 #2
A winger family member just told us Lars39 Mar 2020 #3
Let them. paleotn Mar 2020 #14
Not like I could stop them in better times. :) Lars39 Mar 2020 #15
He probably bought fakes. Any real ones would have been sold well before it became a "thing" oldsoftie Mar 2020 #27
Never considered that! Lars39 Mar 2020 #29
here's an article on it: oldsoftie Mar 2020 #35
Thanks! Lars39 Mar 2020 #36
They have to be fitted to work properly. We were fitted at the hospital where I worked, and Tess49 Mar 2020 #30
Thanks for the info! Lars39 Mar 2020 #32
Welcome! Tess49 Mar 2020 #39
I have to wear n95 masks everyday to do my work on my farm Tumbulu Mar 2020 #44
I'm glad you have them! Lars39 Mar 2020 #45
Thank you Tumbulu Mar 2020 #53
The coach of the New Orleans Saints (football) had no symptoms but tested positive. underpants Mar 2020 #4
Rich guys get tests with no symptoms while symptomatic middle class are denied tests . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #6
He missed a word 'that's been the story of MY life.' bigbrother05 Mar 2020 #8
+1 Harker Mar 2020 #9
Blunter than that... JHB Mar 2020 #21
concierge plans. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2020 #26
Pure evil is residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue UpInArms Mar 2020 #5
That right there tells Americans all they need to know, as if they didn't already. ancianita Mar 2020 #7
Just disgusting. trump is an evil CRETIN. nt iluvtennis Mar 2020 #10
Call me paranoid, but is Trump favoring red states over blue states in this epidemic? Lonestarblue Mar 2020 #11
Crossed my mind too, but I think it's just population density at work flibbitygiblets Mar 2020 #19
Down here in GA tests havent been readily available either. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #28
Blue states have more diverse populations who travel more. meadowlander Mar 2020 #43
WV only had 500 tests for the entire state Maggiemayhem Mar 2020 #47
Very possible treestar Mar 2020 #54
. irisblue Mar 2020 #12
Ingraham needs to fuck off. geardaddy Mar 2020 #17
Probably using that as an excuse for her not to stay home lunasun Mar 2020 #52
Wow seta1950 Mar 2020 #13
When are we going to wake up? Rob2861 Mar 2020 #16
What would you like for ME to do? Ferrets are Cool Mar 2020 #49
Well at least his Schutzstaffel is protected geardaddy Mar 2020 #18
omfg uponit7771 Mar 2020 #20
Let's be clear what this means -- doctors and nurses will DIE so he can arrest immigrants. RockRaven Mar 2020 #22
Well, hey 90-percent Mar 2020 #23
It's what they did in China Warpy Mar 2020 #24
ICE is his domestic army Politicub Mar 2020 #25
following in the footsteps of the Nazis I'm sure.... n/t Locrian Mar 2020 #31
Kick burrowowl Mar 2020 #33
WTF? n/t OhioChick Mar 2020 #34
Same. Good god this man is evil. nt crickets Mar 2020 #37
There's something I'm not getting. EndlessWire Mar 2020 #38
That is why we have social distancing Maggiemayhem Mar 2020 #50
testing would help identify individuals that actually stopdiggin Mar 2020 #59
Thanks bdamomma Mar 2020 #40
Prediction - most will wear them for 5-minutes ThoughtCriminal Mar 2020 #41
We have an imbecile as a leader jimlup Mar 2020 #42
More like CRAZY POTUS, not "crazy times". BigmanPigman Mar 2020 #46
Correction, IMPotus. He's been impeached. ffr Mar 2020 #55
The mf'er should be locked up immediately. FUCK, this makes me so GD angry Ferrets are Cool Mar 2020 #48
Sick and sickening. emmaverybo Mar 2020 #51
I'm sure people have thought of this, but house painters use the N95 respirator mask all the time OKNancy Mar 2020 #56
The election strategy is to blame foreigners IronLionZion Mar 2020 #57
+1, uponit7771 Mar 2020 #58
Dear ICE administrators, please donate the masks to hospitals. Thank You. n/t King_Klonopin Mar 2020 #60
His hate for brown people obliterates any tiny bit of compassion..... SergeStorms Mar 2020 #61
Even if Trumpty dumpty had a heart or a soul and wanted to Alwaysna Mar 2020 #62
I haven't left the house for about 2 weeks . Alwaysna Mar 2020 #63
You shouldn't care. Be a survivor. Stares will be forgotten. ffr Mar 2020 #64

hlthe2b

(114,716 posts)
1. JHC
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 10:05 AM
Mar 2020

there is not enough Karmic retribution likely to be sufficient for Trump, Stephen Miller and all their ilk

Lars39

(26,553 posts)
3. A winger family member just told us
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 10:12 AM
Mar 2020

he had bought a case of these. Probably expired, but wtf. He's still out and around, getting dogs groomed, traveling to another city for a laptop ffs.

paleotn

(22,752 posts)
14. Let them.
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 11:27 AM
Mar 2020

But no boo hoo hoo if they become infected, crash and expire. Brought it on themselves.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
27. He probably bought fakes. Any real ones would have been sold well before it became a "thing"
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 12:51 PM
Mar 2020

The govt has been issuing warnings about fake masks being sold on many websites.

Tess49

(1,623 posts)
30. They have to be fitted to work properly. We were fitted at the hospital where I worked, and
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 12:57 PM
Mar 2020

it is a tedious process. Doubt your family member knows that.

Tumbulu

(6,633 posts)
44. I have to wear n95 masks everyday to do my work on my farm
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 08:33 PM
Mar 2020

as I have huge lung problems aggravated by dust. So I keep many boxes of them. And I am glad that I do have them, because I need them. These are for dust, not medical purposes. But they just have two elastic bands. They keep the dust out fine. I also have cloth ones that I wear at times because they are more comfortable. But I can really feel the difference in my breathing when I go back to the N95’s. Plus a lot of people got them for the smoke from all the wildfires. What I an not get my head around it why the heck aren’t they ramping up production of these things? I know that is a separate concept.

I think that the N95’s that are sold at hardware stores and ag supply stores ( they are standard safety equipment for lots of professions) are not the same as what medical people use.

I used to just wear my masks only at the farm, but now I keep it on when going out in public. And I am grateful that I have them.

underpants

(197,206 posts)
4. The coach of the New Orleans Saints (football) had no symptoms but tested positive.
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 10:14 AM
Mar 2020

Sean Payton. He had no fever or any other symptom other than fatigue but he got tested. Oh and went to see his horse run a race.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28927492/saints-sean-payton-says-tested-positive-coronavirus

From The Atlantic article
Health-care workers often don’t have access to the testing kits that magically appear for celebrities and politicians. They are running out of the life-saving medical supplies they need to do their jobs.

Included a link to a N.Y. Times story. Remember what Trump said (with a smirk)

President Trump being asked at a Wednesday news conference whether “the well-connected go to the front of the line.”

“You’d have to ask them that question,” he replied, suggesting that should not be the case. “Perhaps that’s been the story of life. That does happen on occasion, and I’ve noticed where some people have been tested fairly quickly.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/us/coronavirus-testing-elite.html

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
8. He missed a word 'that's been the story of MY life.'
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 10:59 AM
Mar 2020

Given a place at the front of the line and thinks it was all about bootstraps.

JHB

(38,339 posts)
21. Blunter than that...
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 12:11 PM
Mar 2020

"The story of life" as in: "the well-connected being catered to while others are left without is how it should be."

UpInArms

(55,394 posts)
5. Pure evil is residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 10:14 AM
Mar 2020

Despicable is too nice of a word to waste it on the pusillanimous pile of rotten batshit

ancianita

(43,365 posts)
7. That right there tells Americans all they need to know, as if they didn't already.
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 10:57 AM
Mar 2020

There's a legal criminal term for that: voluntary manslaughter.

Lonestarblue

(13,561 posts)
11. Call me paranoid, but is Trump favoring red states over blue states in this epidemic?
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 11:20 AM
Mar 2020

The biggest outbreaks have been in Washington, California, and New York, and all have complained mightily about the lack of cooperations and assistance from the federal government. Hospitals in Boston are rationing masks. I seem to recall an interview with a doctor in the Midwest who said they had masks and protective gear. Testing kits seem to be in short supply everywhere. Just a crazy thought, but no real proof other than just not trusting anything the Trump crazies do.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
19. Crossed my mind too, but I think it's just population density at work
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 11:55 AM
Mar 2020

More people mingling closely together means the virus can spread like wildfire.

The red states have sparser populations and will take longer to catch up.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
28. Down here in GA tests havent been readily available either.
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 12:53 PM
Mar 2020

And i think we are #5-6 in cases

meadowlander

(5,157 posts)
43. Blue states have more diverse populations who travel more.
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 07:54 PM
Mar 2020

That's why they're being hit first. Middle America and the South will follow not far behind particularly with the blase attitude a lot of those states' leaders are showing.

Rob2861

(40 posts)
16. When are we going to wake up?
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 11:50 AM
Mar 2020

Unfortunately, we Americans never learn and all we do is sit on our asses and complain. Don't we understand by now that Trump and his Trumpkins from the GOP, doesn't give a damn about the people of this country unless they are kissing Trumps ass. It has to stop, we have to unite and say enough is enough. It's not about power and politics now, it's our lives at risk. Our medical people are more important than ICE (Gestapo)

Ferrets are Cool

(23,055 posts)
49. What would you like for ME to do?
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 09:08 PM
Mar 2020

In all seriousness. What am I, as an American, supposed to do? And do NOT say vote. That is not going to help the medical people who are risking their lives right NOW.

RockRaven

(19,755 posts)
22. Let's be clear what this means -- doctors and nurses will DIE so he can arrest immigrants.
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 12:17 PM
Mar 2020
American citizens will die so he can arrest a few more immigrants.

90-percent

(6,956 posts)
23. Well, hey
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 12:21 PM
Mar 2020

When you've managed to turn America into a DICTATORSHIP within three years, you can do what ever the hell you want. There are no institutions left than can check your power. And considering his approval is going up, gumming up the system so badly with anti-health decisions is what us Americans want! Hopefully when we thin down the American herd of idiots, we are left with a few still capable of cogent thought?

-90% Jimmy

Warpy

(114,682 posts)
24. It's what they did in China
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 12:38 PM
Mar 2020

You might have read about healthcare workers in Hong Kong all going on strike--this is one major reason they did it at the beginning of an epidemic. All masks and other protective gear went to the cops, not the hospitals. Friends wrote about cops in hazmat gear while hospital workers were trying to make do with the old cotton masks that do nothing against viruses.

Of course Orange Pus is taking care of his Gestapo first. It's what totalitarian assholes do.

(I told my friends in China that the cops would be out of the hazmat gear by May, it's damned uncomfortable when it gets warm. Hell, they didn't last through March)

Politicub

(12,335 posts)
25. ICE is his domestic army
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 12:43 PM
Mar 2020

Of courses he will protect them at the expense of healthcare workers. Maybe he’ll deploy them to round people up and place them in quarantine cages. Perhaps he sees a fundraising opportunity from mass deaths of Americans.

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
38. There's something I'm not getting.
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 01:41 PM
Mar 2020

My idea is that everyone will have an exposure, so you have to treat everyone else like they have it. What good is testing if you are asymptomatic? You come up negative, walk out your front door, and run into someone else who infects you. You still think you're negative, because you still don't have any symptoms, right? So, now you're walking around and infecting people. What good did that test do you?

If you are symptomatic and present to the ER with your fever and cough, THEN the test should be done to differentiate between the regular flu and the C virus, and to determine the correct medicine (when we get it.)

So, what's the hullabaloo over this? Yes, all medical people should be tested, etc., but...there was a period of time when testing would have worked for immediate isolation to slow the spread, but that time is long gone, isn't it?? I'm just talking about the test, not the masks. The masks could break the chain, but not the tests.

Maggiemayhem

(891 posts)
50. That is why we have social distancing
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 09:16 PM
Mar 2020

Most ERs don’t take suspected CV cases.There are separate testing areas. There still going to be car wrecks, heart attacks etc. Where I live, you get prescreened before you are allowed past the front door for a regular visit at your family doctor.

stopdiggin

(15,643 posts)
59. testing would help identify individuals that actually
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 11:55 PM
Mar 2020

need to be quarantined. With true isolation practices, the ability of any positive to further infect would be hugely minimized. The idea that we only test symptomatic individuals .. is just plain bad science. (although the protocol might well have had it's origins in acute shortages, particularly in the beginning.) But, even now, there would be large benefits available in greatly expanded testing.

"You come up negative, walk out your front door .." The idea being that you walk out your to a greatly reduced pool of potential carriers ... Flattening the curve still further .. and (potentially?) reducing total infections .. until such time as we have a real cure.

bdamomma

(69,629 posts)
40. Thanks
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 04:15 PM
Mar 2020

I'm going to call my Senators in RI both Dems but I am so angry something needs to be done.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,755 posts)
41. Prediction - most will wear them for 5-minutes
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 04:30 PM
Mar 2020

and then toss them in the garbage because they find them an uncomfortable nuisance. Healthcare professionals know better and are accustomed to wearing them properly.

ffr

(23,449 posts)
55. Correction, IMPotus. He's been impeached.
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 10:01 PM
Mar 2020
He is no longer Potus, forever to be remember as Impeached Potus.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
56. I'm sure people have thought of this, but house painters use the N95 respirator mask all the time
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 10:05 PM
Mar 2020

I wonder if some could donate. I just went out in the garage to look at my husband's painter stuff ( RIP.. he was a house painter)
and what do you know.. I found a regular style mask and a respirator mask. In the morning, I'm going to dig some more to see if I can find any more.

IronLionZion

(51,559 posts)
57. The election strategy is to blame foreigners
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 11:16 PM
Mar 2020

Trump's minions are online telling each other that diseased foreigners are bringing in viruses instead of American businesspeople traveling overseas. Americans don't go to Wuhan, China for vacations, it's for the factories. They really want their base to believe that "foreign looking people" are the enemy not "American looking people".

They also mix in various conspiracies involving the Chinese bioweapons lab, American universities, and deep state.

SergeStorms

(20,822 posts)
61. His hate for brown people obliterates any tiny bit of compassion.....
Sat Mar 21, 2020, 03:55 AM
Mar 2020

he might have hiding within him anywhere. The thought of a brown person setting foot on U.S. soil so infuriates him he doesn't care who lives or dies for him to get his way. People will die because of Trump's diseased, hate-filled mind. But that's OK, the MAGAts love him for it because it makes we liberals so angry!

Alwaysna

(578 posts)
62. Even if Trumpty dumpty had a heart or a soul and wanted to
Sat Mar 21, 2020, 09:41 AM
Mar 2020

Do the right thing he'd be too stupid to do it. This carnival Barker in a red tie has no business being president.

Alwaysna

(578 posts)
63. I haven't left the house for about 2 weeks .
Sat Mar 21, 2020, 09:45 AM
Mar 2020

But on Monday I have to go to the hospital and clinic for tests. I plan on using my cpap mask and hose for protection. I'm certain to get stares but I don't care.

ffr

(23,449 posts)
64. You shouldn't care. Be a survivor. Stares will be forgotten.
Sat Mar 21, 2020, 01:52 PM
Mar 2020

Do what you think you need to.

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