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Best proof that it was Trump who messed up and not China's fault. (Original Post) sinkingfeeling Mar 2020 OP
Since Trump supporters love conspiracy theories, greymattermom Mar 2020 #1
One rumor is toilet paper is contaminated. gordianot Mar 2020 #4
I was told the toilet paper inner ROLLS were made in China. Which would make ZERO sense. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #17
Trumps only hope is to rewrite history. gordianot Mar 2020 #2
The only people that really believe China is at fault for OUR response are Trump's idiot tulipsandroses Mar 2020 #3
Yes no question Trump messed up. but ... Odoreida Mar 2020 #5
Nyet. How is this 'China's fault'? n/t Strelnikov_ Mar 2020 #16
I glad you reverted to your native language. former9thward Mar 2020 #24
you are right catsudon Mar 2020 #37
Max Boot in the Post has an editorial along these lines. dem4decades Mar 2020 #6
The next four paragraphs: Trailrider1951 Mar 2020 #20
Thanks. Trump supporters should read this.......but they won't. dem4decades Mar 2020 #21
It's unlikely that they can read much more than their prescription bottles and Fox News banners. n/t NNadir Mar 2020 #32
It's nearly half the US adult population. There is something more deeply wrong than we understand. JudyM Mar 2020 #47
Also South Korea and the USA had their first cases on the same day, duforsure Mar 2020 #7
Yup. Then tRump told us "it will go away" and "I don't want my numbers to go up". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #22
Here is the Con at the SOTU Feb 4 and on Feb 28th at the SC rally malaise Mar 2020 #8
Azar was alerted on January 3rd according to wiki timeline spanone Mar 2020 #12
Correct malaise Mar 2020 #14
And the Republican Band of liars and grifters played on Champp Mar 2020 #9
+1 2naSalit Mar 2020 #19
when you hear it called the China virus or a variation, just call it the Trump virus RAB910 Mar 2020 #10
Jan. 3 underpants Mar 2020 #11
Trump and pence intentionally ignored warnings this was coming duforsure Mar 2020 #13
++++++++++++++++++++++++++!!!! 2naSalit Mar 2020 #18
While the rest of the world was dealing with the pandemic, this is what tRump was doing: pazzyanne Mar 2020 #15
How is the rest of the world dealing with it? former9thward Mar 2020 #26
My point is tRump is focusing on completing his agenda while avoiding the pandemic. pazzyanne Mar 2020 #27
Trump is handling this situation horribly, Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #34
Just wait mainer Mar 2020 #40
No, China hid this from everyone. former9thward Mar 2020 #42
Because we're est. 5-10 days behind Italy... MartyTheGreek Mar 2020 #41
People keep on saying that. former9thward Mar 2020 #44
Link jayschool2013 Mar 2020 #23
I've been using the term "trump Pandemic" Victor_c3 Mar 2020 #25
Best proof that it was Trump who messed up is that Trump is blaming China n/t thesquanderer Mar 2020 #28
Someone else unrolled the thread for us jxla Mar 2020 #29
* bookmarking liberalla Mar 2020 #35
This is just another version of that bogus "#WalkAway" campaign of last year (featuring fake Leghorn21 Mar 2020 #30
China is at fault for allowing the wet markets MaryMagdaline Mar 2020 #31
Sure. China bears a huge part of the blame. AllyCat Mar 2020 #45
True!! Our government needed to do its job. It didn't do its job MaryMagdaline Mar 2020 #46
It's not one or the other DrToast Mar 2020 #33
Eh China lied for months Loki Liesmith Mar 2020 #36
And the Trump mis-administration has been lying since Jan. 3. sinkingfeeling Mar 2020 #38
I don't disagree. Loki Liesmith Mar 2020 #39
Lied for "months"? Why are you repeating Trump lies? mainer Mar 2020 #48
Kick dalton99a Mar 2020 #43

greymattermom

(5,756 posts)
1. Since Trump supporters love conspiracy theories,
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:49 AM
Mar 2020

and since all of the Trump merch comes from China, someone should start a rumor that the merch is contaminated with COVID-19. It's in the hats!

gordianot

(15,301 posts)
4. One rumor is toilet paper is contaminated.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:56 AM
Mar 2020

....but toilet paper is made in America. Good idea I intend to play with this at a Trump T shirt shop.

oldsoftie

(12,893 posts)
17. I was told the toilet paper inner ROLLS were made in China. Which would make ZERO sense.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:27 AM
Mar 2020

the cardboard rolls

gordianot

(15,301 posts)
2. Trumps only hope is to rewrite history.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:51 AM
Mar 2020

Delay the pain, but this is collapse. Food riots are are around the corner and rationing is coming. When not looting Trump has the empathy of Atilla the Hun.

tulipsandroses

(5,199 posts)
3. The only people that really believe China is at fault for OUR response are Trump's idiot
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:52 AM
Mar 2020

fans. Trump and his fans were busy blowing this off instead of taking action. When he was being warned early on by his own experts, he wanted no part of it. He wanted to talk about vaping, not a deadly virus heading our way. But once again, blaming China is another one of those alternative facts that only the brainwashed will believe. Anyone but him, and this administration. Blame China, Blame Obama. But not this administration that is currently in power.

 

Odoreida

(1,549 posts)
5. Yes no question Trump messed up. but ...
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:57 AM
Mar 2020

... still China's fault.

Don't let them off the hook just because Trump stinks too.

The USA is not the whole world.

former9thward

(32,400 posts)
24. I glad you reverted to your native language.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:56 AM
Mar 2020

China hid the scope of this until it exploded and they could not contain it any longer. In the meantime people were traveling into and out of the region and the country infecting others all over the globe. China is completely responsible. Hopefully this will lead our political leaders to reduce trade and investment in China until a more transparent government takes over.

China also allows the filthy conditions to exist in the interior of the country. Of course the media just like to show Shanghai and Beijing. Interesting to see who is jumping up to defend China in this...

catsudon

(859 posts)
37. you are right
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:50 AM
Mar 2020

why are we letting china off the hook?!!!

it is china's fault AND trumps fault? we do not have to pick and choose.



if trump is touting ventilator are good things, will we stop using it?

dem4decades

(11,372 posts)
6. Max Boot in the Post has an editorial along these lines.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:59 AM
Mar 2020

"Because of Trump’s negligence, the United States lost two months of response time — precious days that should have been used to test the population, produce more N95 masks and ventilators, and build new hospital beds. This past week, the Pentagon finally announced that a Navy hospital ship would be heading to New York — but it will take at least two weeks to get ready. Why wasn’t the deployment order given sooner? Even now, with the crisis upon us, Trump hesitates to use his full authority to order wartime production of ventilators needed to keep thousands of patients alive."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/21/this-wouldnt-have-happened-if-hillary-clinton-had-won/#comments-wrapper

I know it has a paywall but some may be able to read it.

Trailrider1951

(3,426 posts)
20. The next four paragraphs:
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:33 AM
Mar 2020

**Quote:

Utterly lacking in empathy, Trump is incapable of rallying a shell-shocked nation. When asked on Friday, “What do you say to Americans who are watching you right now who are scared?,” Trump launched into a tirade against the reporter who asked the question. Like the snake-oil salesman that he is, his version of reassurance is to tout miracle cures that have not been verified by medical science.

I weep in anger and frustration imagining what might have been if Hillary Clinton — a sane, sensible adult — had won. We couldn’t have avoided the coronavirus, but we could have ameliorated its effects. We could be South Korea (102 deaths) rather than Italy (4,825 deaths and counting).

It was precisely because we were afraid of how Trump would mishandle his weighty responsibilities that some “Never Trump” conservatives supported Clinton in 2016. On May 8, 2016, I wrote in the Los Angeles Times: “There has never been a major party nominee in U.S. history as unqualified for the presidency. The risk of Trump winning, however remote, represents the biggest national security threat that the United States faces today.”

I do not cite my earlier article — one of dozens I wrote in 2015 and 2016 warning in ever-more-urgent tones of the danger of electing Trump — as a way of patting myself on the back for prescience. It took no foresight to predict that Trump would be a catastrophe in a crisis. It was close to the conventional wisdom. Yet nearly 63 million voters chose to disregard such warnings.

**Unquote**

 

NNadir

(33,642 posts)
32. It's unlikely that they can read much more than their prescription bottles and Fox News banners. n/t
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:31 AM
Mar 2020

JudyM

(29,406 posts)
47. It's nearly half the US adult population. There is something more deeply wrong than we understand.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:49 PM
Mar 2020

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
7. Also South Korea and the USA had their first cases on the same day,
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:01 AM
Mar 2020

And they did something about it while trump, who had ignored warnings of exactly this, then still did nothing . Now trump is trying to demonize them , and lying making false claims by promoting propaganda against them to hide his complete failure to protect us. Trump and pence failed , and still in charge of this which is failing fast too, and while trump claims again the opposite of the truth saying he is doing a great job, while everything tanks on us all. Trump and pence can't even be truthful with any of this or anything else they say or do. They both should be called on to resign for this at once.

malaise

(270,809 posts)
8. Here is the Con at the SOTU Feb 4 and on Feb 28th at the SC rally
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:02 AM
Mar 2020
Protecting Americans' health also means fighting infectious diseases. We are coordinating with the Chinese government and working closely together on the Coronavirus outbreak in China. My Administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat.

https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-politics/transcript-president-trumps-state-union-address
10

His administration did not take all the necessary steps to safeguard citizens or the production of masks and respirators would have been high on the agenda. Further the next day at the rally he accused the fake media and Democrat (sic) Party of a hoax. Then there's this
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213100287


Trump says the coronavirus is the Democrats’ ‘new hoax’
PUBLISHED FRI, FEB 28 20207:32 PM ESTUPDATED SAT, FEB 29 20203:14 PM EST
Thomas Franck
@TOMWFRANCK
KEY POINTS
President Trump says that Democrats are using the virulent coronavirus as a “hoax” to damage him and his administration.
“The Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus,” he said from a campaign rally in North Charleston, South Carolina. “This is their new hoax.”
The coronavirus, which began in Wuhan, China, has now killed more than 2,800 people worldwide and infected more than 80,000.
The total number of cases in the U.S. was 63 as of the latest announcements, with most cases being former passengers on the Diamond Princess cruise ship and evacuees from Wuhan.

spanone

(136,254 posts)
12. Azar was alerted on January 3rd according to wiki timeline
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:18 AM
Mar 2020

The HHS Secretary Alex Azar was alerted on January 3 that CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield had discussions with Chinese doctors about the virus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_in_November_2019_–_January_2020

malaise

(270,809 posts)
14. Correct
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:23 AM
Mar 2020

No doubt he told big pharma to get ready for a killing

I posted some of this from the New England Journal of Medicine - they fucking knew. It was all about his numbers.

RAB910

(3,634 posts)
10. when you hear it called the China virus or a variation, just call it the Trump virus
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:05 AM
Mar 2020

if we are going to make up names we should make them descriptive

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
13. Trump and pence intentionally ignored warnings this was coming
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:19 AM
Mar 2020

Trump and pence did nothing and caused the critical situation we're now in. They failed to protect us then, so why are they in charge of anything now? Neither one can be honest and tell the truth on anything, both are corrupt and ignorant so why are they still in charge of this? Calls for their resignations should be done, and remove them from making this a lot worse fast.

former9thward

(32,400 posts)
26. How is the rest of the world dealing with it?
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:04 AM
Mar 2020

Every country has a higher death rate than the U.S.

Per million people

US 1.1
Germany 1.1
S. Korea 2.0
China 2.3
UK 3.6
Belgium 6.6
France 8.4
Netherlands 7.9
Iran 20.6
Spain 36.9
Italy 79.8

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

pazzyanne

(6,562 posts)
27. My point is tRump is focusing on completing his agenda while avoiding the pandemic.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:09 AM
Mar 2020

Just this morning there was this environmental issue and the fact that he is still working on building his wall. All the while, he is ignoring his responsibilities to this nation in fighting the coronavirus. People in this nation are focused on the pandemic, tRump is focused on making money for the oil industry and in completing his stupid wall.

Turin_C3PO

(14,323 posts)
34. Trump is handling this situation horribly,
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:35 AM
Mar 2020

Everyone except his cultists know this. Our low death rate is good but has absolutely nothing to do with him. We have good hospitals and great healthcare workers. Trump gets zero credit in this crisis.

MartyTheGreek

(577 posts)
41. Because we're est. 5-10 days behind Italy...
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 11:17 AM
Mar 2020

It's possible that many of the walking healthy are now carriers because of the delay in social distancing that could have begun earlier by weeks! Someone posted this link this morning. A model of when US hospitals that will be overwhelmed with patients at the current rate of spread. Consider the Cases vs. Hospitalizations number? There's a lot of people walking around with it, IMHO.

My McAfee noted a warning my it's a .org site. Click on your State...

https://covidactnow.org/

Check the Death rate for Italy. (Johns Hopkins Tracking site) Yesterday it jumped over 700 died in 24 hours. Consider the density of NY and what might happen there! The NY deaths are now approaching WA including the nursing home numbers.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

former9thward

(32,400 posts)
44. People keep on saying that.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 11:36 AM
Mar 2020

But the numbers are not showing it. People told me that two weeks ago and the numbers did not jump to what Italy's are. Why is Germany so low? They have about 1/2 the number of infections (24,000) as Italy (53,600) yet their total deaths are only about 90 and Italy's 4,800.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
25. I've been using the term "trump Pandemic"
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:02 AM
Mar 2020

The MAGATs want to call it the “Wuhan Virus” after where it originated and they claim trump’s handling of the pandemic is phenomenal. So, in honor of trump’s supposed great handling, we should refer to the virus and pandemic as the “trump Pandemic” and “trump Virus”. The same goes with the trump economy.

It’s just like how they called the Affordable Care Act “Obamacare” in an effort to smear Obama and his legislation. It turned out to be very popular and a term of endearment for the ACA.

Leghorn21

(13,542 posts)
30. This is just another version of that bogus "#WalkAway" campaign of last year (featuring fake
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:20 AM
Mar 2020

Democrats ”walking away” from the party to join the trumpie cult)

Weak and sad and stupid and useless and yet ANOTHER waste of energy better spent building temp hospitals and strengthening the food supply...

We ALL watched Wuhan hospitals going up in late January - what’s today, you fuckin fools??

MaryMagdaline

(6,872 posts)
31. China is at fault for allowing the wet markets
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:23 AM
Mar 2020

They knew ten years ago these were breeding grounds for horrific disease. They then delayed the response to the disease and hid the results.

We need to keep the pressure on China. There is no democracy, there are no civil rights, but at least their government, unlike ours, has a sense of shame. Criticism from their own people on social media and across the world did get results, ie closing of wet markets.

AllyCat

(16,385 posts)
45. Sure. China bears a huge part of the blame.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 12:34 PM
Mar 2020

But we didn’t have control of that. 45 and his cult did have control of this once they found out and did WORSE than nothing...they went out spreading misinformation. Hoax. Democrats. Kung Flu. Lies in press conferences to this day.

mainer

(12,050 posts)
48. Lied for "months"? Why are you repeating Trump lies?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:34 PM
Mar 2020

The first case in China was reported November 17, and it wasn't in Wuhan. At the time it was an unknown illness, and not clear that there was human to human transmission.

https://www.livescience.com/first-case-coronavirus-found.html

The first case in Wuhan was around Dec. 1. Again, this was a NOVEL coronavirus. Meaning NEW.

China alerted WHO there was a problem on Dec. 31.

That is not MONTHS.

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