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Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:28 PM

I think this virus was around in December.

I know two people who had weird flu like upper respiratory sickness.

Almost died.

The Drs didn't what it was.

Yeah.

All Christmas parties and flying around the country.

I was working on my van back then and didn't go anywheres.

These were two sick people.


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Reply I think this virus was around in December. (Original post)
Texaswitchy Mar 2020 OP
dweller Mar 2020 #1
Texaswitchy Mar 2020 #4
Tipperary Mar 2020 #76
Texaswitchy Mar 2020 #79
Quemado Mar 2020 #80
yonder Mar 2020 #81
pecosbob Mar 2020 #2
Texaswitchy Mar 2020 #6
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Texaswitchy Mar 2020 #8
HipChick Mar 2020 #7
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luvallpeeps Mar 2020 #10
SunSeeker Mar 2020 #32
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roamer65 Mar 2020 #14
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live love laugh Mar 2020 #56
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RhodeIslandOne Mar 2020 #34
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live love laugh Mar 2020 #57
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Raine Mar 2020 #20
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relayerbob Mar 2020 #22
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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:34 PM

1. me too

have had a serious lung congestion since dec/jan and still deal with it...
am on meds that side effects include shortness of breath, so i attributed it
to that, since no fever etc, but no clear idea
i don't see my dr until May, if then
who knows ?

✌🏼

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Response to dweller (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:41 PM

4. These two were at death door.


In isolation

Neither one is ok.

Better but not well.

Normally we would have been together but I was busy with my van.

The van saved me.



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Response to Texaswitchy (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:24 PM

76. You were "busy with your van?"

 

What the ever loving huh?

People you care about, but ignored because of a van?

Hereís hoping this is a cool story bro.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #76)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:44 PM

79. Building it to a camper van.

If I would have been hanging out with them a few weeks before I might have caught it to.



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Response to Tipperary (Reply #76)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:46 PM

80. "Chevy Van" - a Sammy Johns song from 1973.



"Chevy Van" is a 1973 song, written and sung by Sammy Johns with instrumental backing provided by Los Angeles-based session musicians from the Wrecking Crew. The song was a hit single in the United States and Canada in 1975, reaching #5 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, and becoming a million seller. It was played primarily on AM Top 40 stations in the 1970s; later re-recordings were done in a country vein.

It details how an unnamed male driver picks up an unnamed female, who then proceeds to eventually seduce him into a one-night stand in the back of his Chevrolet Van. At the end he drops her off "in a town that was so small, you could throw a rock from end to end. A dirt road main street, she walked off in bare feet", and laments "It's a shame I won't be passing through again." The song struck a chord with listeners in the sexually liberated early 1970s when Johns released it.

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Response to Quemado (Reply #80)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:01 PM

81. I remember that: "And that's all right with me"

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:36 PM

2. I'm pretty sure it was here in Las Vegas in January

I work around slot machines and a lot of people. One of my regulars caught a long-lasting flu bug I later caught that lasted most of a month. Truth is I still have a low-grade respiratory infection now. My roommate works as a chef at Mirage that had a positive case so between the two workplaces I'm fairly certain I've been exposed.

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Response to pecosbob (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:45 PM

6. Sounds like it.

I think we all have been exposed to some degree.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:41 PM

3. Here is a March 17 thread advancing the same thought.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:45 PM

5. My 40 year old Son had something in early December.

He figured it was the flu and was fatigued, had no appetite, and probably had a slight fever too, because he said he was cold for about 4 days.

The oddest thing was that he said his chest hurt like a linebacker whooped him - said it hurt when he touched it, but never mentioned any congestion or cough.

Maybe these weird illnesses going around were little cousins of COVID-19?

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Response to Talitha (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:49 PM

8. Yep.


My friends had the flu shot and pneumonia.shot.

So maybe it helped them.


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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:46 PM

7. Travelled to UK on Jan 1

Got very sick, spent first week, knocked off my feet by something..
Started in the eyes, felt it go into my throat, and down the lungs..
I believe this virus has been around longer than govts are admitting...

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Response to HipChick (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:51 PM

11. I do to.

Scary

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:49 PM

9. A person I know in San Francisco may have had it

She was in the hospital and had pneumonia.

She was there for quite awhile and ended up in rehab before she was released.

I don't know if it was viral pneumonia or not.

Last I heard she was better but it has been a long recovery and likely not cheap either.

Seems that was late last year.


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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:50 PM

10. I wonder.

My son works in a school, and he told me a bunch of kids called off sick just before Xmas break. He ended up with it and brought it home to everyone. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US GOT IT!! My son's girlfriend had a weird symptom of red and burning eyelids. Now I don't know if that was it or not, but it was odd that every last one of us got it. It was wicked. I missed two days of work, and haven't missed a day in 4 years. Seriously. I actually got a flu shot this year, and at first, I thought it may have helped me because I was the last one to get it. It was brutal.

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Response to luvallpeeps (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:34 AM

32. Red eyes (like you're wearing red eye shadow) is a telltale sign of Covid-19.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:06 PM

12. In January, All 3 Of My Kids Had A Nasty Form Of Flu Despite Getting Flu Shots

Our doctor said it was because this particular strain of flu was not what was in the flu shots, but I'm suspecting it may have been an early form of coronavirus. I've never seen my kids sick like this before. They NEVER miss school, yet all 3 of them missed an entire week with super-high fevers and other upper respiratory symptoms.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:11 PM

13. I've been wondering about that too

 

I sat next to a dude who had a dry hacking cough on the way back from London in mid January. Been thinking about it since this started.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:20 PM

14. Early Jan my sinuses went berserk, drainage like crazy and a persistent dry cough for 3-4 weeks.

Last edited Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:24 PM - Edit history (3)

It didnít follow my usual pattern of a cold or flu. I thought I was allergic to something. My throat felt like it was swollen.

I notice even now I am a bit more winded if I ride my exercise bike.

I definitely think it arrived sometime in mid December or so. First notice of it in Wuhan was around mid November I do believe.

I think this crap hopped on a plane and took a ride over in early December.

I really wish I could get an antibody test. If I had it and have resolved it, that means I am immune and could help out in hospitals or give plasma.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:42 PM

18. Hubby and I caught the same thing from our granddaughter

It seemed to start overnight with a sore throat. It was so painful I couldn't sleep all night. That got replaced by a cough that seemed really deep down in the lungs. I was close to passing out from coughing more than once. The worst was the sinus pain, though. My nose wasn't even clogged, but my cheeks, teeth, hell - my entire face felt like it was punched. After a few weeks the sinuses started to drain, and it was blood tinged mucus.

The weirdest thing about all of it was that when I had head colds before, I never completely lost my sense of smell. But I did this time! It was awful.

All that being said, I don't think that this was the coronavirus, though. But it sure as hell was a superbug.

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Response to Blaukraut (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:59 PM

19. A deep dry cough is indicative of viral pneumonia.

CV-19ís ďspecial featureĒ is viral pneumonia.

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Response to Blaukraut (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:40 AM

56. "...blood tinged mucus..." I read a story of a nurse describing

pink mucus in the ventilation tubes of patients. 🤔

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #56)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:53 AM

72. The mucus in the tube came from patients' lungs

Mine came out of my sinuses. That's why I don't think this superbug was/is COVID 19. Coronavirus usually doesn't present with sinusitis, if I read the symptoms correctly.

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Response to Blaukraut (Reply #72)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:51 AM

73. Oh I see the difference. nt

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:48 AM

24. I read recently that researchers are

working on an antibody test to see who has had it and does not need to self isolate as prevention. Don' t know how long it will take to have one.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:27 PM

15. Do you think people were dying of it then? nt.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:47 AM

23. Probably, but no way to prove it

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 06:14 AM

63. Excess mortality is easy to prove

 


Causes of death are pretty consistent. Why not look through the MMWR and let us know what you come up with, because no actual professional in the field has suggested the nonsense in this thread.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:39 AM

34. From CNN, January 6th.....

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/03/health/flu-week-52/index.html

"US on track for one of the worst flu seasons in decades"


"The initial indicators indicate this is not going to be a good season -- this is going to be a bad season," Fauci said.

So far this flu season, at least 2,900 people in the US are estimated to have died of the flu, according to data released Friday by the CDC. That's 800 more deaths than estimated the previous week.

Flu cases and hospitalizations because of the flu have also risen sharply since the season began in October. CDC estimates there have been at least 6.4 million flu illnesses and 55,000 hospitalizations.

Fauci said it's possible this steep rise in flu activity could reverse itself soon, in which case the season wouldn't end up being so severe.


Coincidence?

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:55 AM

39. Probably coincidence. This coronavirus is not a flu virus.

It won't cause a positive result on a flu test.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #39)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:02 AM

53. Does every hospital always test for flu?

 

Even if they think someone "obviously has the flu".

In this health care system?

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #53)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:42 AM

57. Nope. nt

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:29 PM

16. Ditto...

February 23, 2020. Never will forget that day. Got the WORSE - literally - stomach ache and upset in my life. Literally.

Will not tell to many additional details about that stomach ache except it felt like my stomach was falling out. Had a fever, took Tylenol (now I know that was the best thing ever to do - as I don't take Advil -- and normally take Aleve).

Took Tylenol but had a fever for 2-3 days. Never over 100.3. Took something else for the stomach issue. Stayed the entire weekend on the couch.

By Monday, called a friend at the dinner I attended on February 23, 2020. Asked did anyone get sick from the Salad - which was the only thing ate. Did not feel like eating anything else, left early. The friend said no, they did not hear anything. Thought it was the stomach flu and a bad case at that.

One week later, coming from Phoenix, at the airport going to the gate - had the worst feeling in my knee. Had not felt that unease in my knee since 35 years before - before my surgery. Felt like I was running out of breath and I was not walking fast. Had plenty of time to get to the gate. At least an hour before takeoff.

Took one more step on the uneasy and strange feeling knee --- and SNAP. Something snapped in the back of my leg. Felt like the muscle and it hurt. Screamed out and a lady ran up behind and asked if I needed security. Told her I needed a Wheelchair. Another guy came up and said he would help me get to a chair -- then left to go get a Airport attendant with a Wheelchair.

Could not move the leg forward or back. Could not walk on that leg at all without PAIN. A lot of PAIN. The gentlemen helped me to the Wheelchair - the Airport Attendant helped me to the plane - Hopped to Seat 23-C and all the same in reverse after landing. That was crazy.

Got home barely with a Lyft. Hopped in the house. Sat for hours and feel asleep. Woke up - went to Urgent Care - got a knee brace - sat for another weekend - got a ortho appointment - scheduled a MRI from the Dr. Wore the knee brace as I could not walk without it and crutches.

Then, still with all of this -- four days later had a breathing episode. Could not catch my breath at work, dry cough -- and on my way to the ER. Got an inhaler (p.s. no asthma history here), I.V., CT and discharged with fluid on the heart. Only a little fluid so....

Sat again for another weekend on the couch with the Inhaler. Knee was beginning feel better. No more crutches. Small hop and could bare weight on it. Another day, the knee brace came off and the knee felt like the airport incident was an out-of-body experience because the knee was fine.

So, here what is strange.

Spouse got the Strange "Stomach Flu" the next day after mines. Three of his co-workers also.

Talked to two close friends (who I had no physical contact with all of the time above) in the last two days. They had the Strange "Stomach Flu" too. One friend Boyfriend got it right after she got it. The other friend - two of her Co-Workers got what she had.

With COVID-19 -- their are other symptoms besides - Respiratory Distress -- with lucky for me - I did not have. Just a strange breathing and coughing episode. They include....

Fever, Severe Stomach Upset, Joint Pains with the other symptoms in full or partial like the breathing episode, possibly -- based on hours and hours of international research with China and Italy news resources.

If we had it (the Spouse and I) we got lucky. The spouse has a pre-existing condition that's in remission (over 20 years) that is lung related. If we had it, our daily supplements Turmeric, Flaxseed and Black Seed Oil - might be the only thing that saved us from the worst aspects of COVID-19. And taking the Tylenol with the fever.

WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT NOT TESTING EVERYONE? We know, not enough tests. But that is because of TRUMP the Psychopath. However, IF WE HAD IT, we would GLADLY give our blood that might have antibodies that could be cloned to save someone else.

God Help Us All!

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:13 AM

27. Cuomo stopped testing in NYC

because taking samples and processing them requires the use of masks, gloves, and gowns that are in short supply and needed in hospitals to treat the sick.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:44 AM

37. Trump's FDA should have adopted the readily available WHO test back on January 17.

Trump wasted over a month fucking around with developing an FDA test and feebly trying to ramp up test kit production. I think Trump didn't want to test because he didn't want the bumbers to go up. He literally sacrificed us for the market, which tanked anyway.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:34 PM

17. Yes.

My husband and I were sick in January with an upper respiratory illness that reminded me of pneumonia (I had it in my 20s): a dry, hacking cough; shortness of breath; and a fever. My husband was positive it was lung cancer and insisted the doctor x-ray his lungs. They were clear: no cancer, no pneumonia.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:33 AM

20. Yes, I think it's been around since at least

December. I've even heard of people who had something like this in the Fall of last year.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:36 AM

21. I saw someone post that on FB today (they believed they had it in December).

I was thinking it wasn't possible, but now it's beginning to look like they may have been correct.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:46 AM

22. Same Here

We got really sick early in the year, with all the classic symptoms after eating out somewhere that is popular with tourists and travelers. The waiter had a cough, kept apologizing.

China has now tracked what they believe to be the first case in China to Nov 17, 2019. No reason to believe it started there, only that they were first to identify it

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:33 AM

30. I had it too late December. Felt like big stones in my lungs at first.

I never experienced something like it in previous influenza episodes. I had a pneumonia shot (and a flu one) in late November so I thought maybe it was related.

But since they traced it back to mid-Nov, it's not impossible it could have traveled fast (we've got many Chinese students at Universities around here).

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:50 AM

25. Mid December, a close friend had the same experience

He tested negative for flu but was deathly sick for weeks. So sick he wrote farewell letters (remarkable coming from a no-nonsense guy). And he had all the symptoms we now recognize, except we thought it wasn't around that early.

He got it from his 4YO son, who recovered very quickly.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:59 AM

26. Me too, but slightly earlier... Exact same symptoms

Even had what I thought was a recovery and it came back with vengeance. I still have lung issues and it prompted swelling around my heart after the fact.

Negative for all the normal things. We have lots of Asians in the N. Texas area ... Maybe Wuhan???

What I had was also highly contagious. I know exactly when I caught it from an unavoidable breath when someone coughed right in front of me in Wal-Mart.

My wife and son got really sick over Valentine's Day. Once again centered in lungs with cough and fever. Son had what seemed a recovery went back to school two days, and spiked fever and had a worsening cough.

Of course, could be nothing...

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:28 AM

28. Folks in Northern Italy say similar cases started popping up last November.

China has had Covid-19 cases since at least November, so it is certainly conceivable that visitors to Wuhan brought it home all over the world in November. Northern Italy has a lot of trade with Wuhan because of textiles and auto parts. Same with NY, L.A, and Detroit. Seatle has lots of tech connections with Wuhan (Seattle's first confirmed case had visited Wuhan).

Remuzzi says he is now hearing information about it from general practitioners. "They remember having seen very strange pneumonia, very severe, particularly in old people in December and even November," he says. "This means that the virus was circulating, at least in [the northern region of] Lombardy and before we were aware of this outbreak occurring in China."
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/817974987/every-single-individual-must-stay-home-italy-s-coronavirus-deaths-pass-china-s

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:56 AM

40. +1

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:29 AM

29. I have heard more stories of people as far back as December saying they had a bad flu

 

That was the worst they ever had and thinking they were dying with breathing issues.

This has been in the states for awhile and now it is really bubbling to the surface as the spread has become a giant web.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:33 AM

31. I'm in Northern California, and have been thinking the same.

I won't go into great detail because my symptoms were as most of you have described. My hubby and I both had it. We both have had flu and pneumonia shots, and are both type O blood. We had fevers, deep, dry cough with no congestion, extreme fatigue, etc., and were sick for 4 to 6 weeks in late Dec and Jan. We took immune system booster herbs, tylenol, mucinex, and DM cough syrup so we could sleep. We eventually got through it but it was, as others have said, like no flu I've ever had. It was hellish. We've come to think we may have experienced an early version of it.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:37 AM

33. I also know someone

He has never been more sick. And heís in his 30ís. He thought he was gonna die.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:39 AM

35. I suspect this is wishful thinking on many people's parts.

Time and history will tell, of course. But, I've seem the testing data and and it doesn't support any of this to date. None, zero.

We all want to think we've had it already. I've been dealing with this denial within communities for two months. Then it comes to their actual doorsteps. Then everyone including them get sick.

Please, be safe and take precautions. The odds overwhelmingly are you're not immune. Be smart. Don't participate in silly hive mindsets. Please?

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Response to herding cats (Reply #35)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:05 AM

41. Hive Mindsets???

February 28, 2020, the Virus was here in America.

January 1, 2020, the Virus was in the West for sure.

November 15, 2020, the Virus was in Wuhan.

We live "thisclose" to the 10 Ten University, in a 15 miles radius of 4 Universities with International Students, a Top 5 Medical facility and lots of frequent travelers.

You can take the Hive Mindsets mentality and shove it. The Virus was in America in JANUARY 2020, for sure and likely in limit amounts depending on the area, in mid-late December 2020.

My Spouse, I, Friends or Co-Workers did NOT have "stomach flu" at different times with different sets of people, some of which never interacted with each others in Months - if ever.

So, again -take the Hive Mindsets mentally and shove it. Or find a thread that tickles your fancy and jump out of this one.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:14 AM

44. Testing shows it showed up here early January.

On the west coast. That's just science.

Thank you for your polite, science filled post, though.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #44)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:10 PM

74. I agree.

 

The most telling thing would be the rate of infection.

If it truly was here earlier, then like China there would have been many, many people showing up at ER's with the symptoms in November or December - I'm pretty sure our health care system would have lit up like a Christmas tree if it was here any sooner than it's been tracked.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #44)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 09:04 PM

85. When did they start testing? n/t

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:30 AM

47. I hope you have the immunity you imagine you do.

The vast odds are you don't, but I deeply wish you well and encourage you to get a serology test when available to you.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:38 AM

48. Oh, and do update us on the serology findings.

When you can, of course. I do understand how real science takes time and such.

I did bookmark this to check back in on your miraculous theory, all the same. I definitely want to keep abreast of the local story.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 03:13 AM

49. Oh, and would you like to see some sequencing of the viruses genome?

Time stamped even?

I have it. Because science and all that boring stuff. But, hey, I don't belong here. Right?

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Response to herding cats (Reply #49)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:27 PM

78. Thank you.

 

I have seen some weird threads on this site, but this might beat all.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #49)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:06 PM

83. On what date was the virus's genome sequenced and published ?

Before then there could be no definitive test designed.

Around mid-January, as I recall.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #35)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:09 AM

43. I think so too.

The Chinese doctors in Wuhan apparently observed pretty quickly that this was a different thing that they hadn't seen before. They weren't confusing it with the flu, or garden-variety pneumonia, or a bad cold. They could see it was something new. I believe the doctors in this country are as competent as those in China. If we had thousands of people sick from a brand new bug, with some of them dying from it, I expect someone would have noticed.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #43)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:22 AM

45. The genome of the virus has been traced. Solidly.

It showed up here in early January on the California coast. People pretending they know more than the scientist studying this irk me, I admit that.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 03:46 AM

51. IMO it is highly unlikely it would show up in California

without it also showing up at the same time in other states (like NY, and others) that also have major global hubs/cities, then spreading inward shortly thereafter.

Scientists are still studying this, and testing was not done early on to know who had it especially if they had mild symptoms.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #51)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:52 AM

58. 💯

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Response to herding cats (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 09:12 PM

86. I just discussed this with my

"evolutionary biologist who studies genetic professor" husband and he'd like to know if you have a phylogenetic tree which you can share with us because otherwise he doesn't see how you can know this definitively.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #87)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:01 PM

89. Thank you

I will share it with him.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #35)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 03:59 AM

52. What does any of that have to do with people thinking they are "immune"?

 

There is evidence the initial discovery of this was covered up.

The whistleblower, Li Wenliang, now deceased, was told to keep his mouth shut.

Why are you annoyed that this thing could have had a month or two jump on all of us?

It doesn't make it ANY less deadly or scary.

We are talking about the spread. And how fast it has moved. And that it's possible a lot more people have been touched by this than we have ANY idea possible. This is not just NYC or LA like certain people want it to be.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #52)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:24 AM

68. The initial discovery of it in China was covered up.

Do you think it was covered up in the US as well? That seems very unlikely. If this thing was sickening and killing a bunch of people in the US in December, why weren't we hearing about this weird new pneumonia from our people?

They aren't as inept and incompetent as you seem to think. Do you remember how quickly they figured out that just a few cases of the vaping illness were related? But, you seem to think they just completely missed thousands of people all over the US with this new disease.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #68)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 09:25 AM

71. We live in a society where people don't flock to the doctor

 

Despite the claims that Americans are hypochondriacs.

As far as the US covering it up? What did February tell you?

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Response to herding cats (Reply #35)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 06:15 AM

64. That's exactly what this is.

 

And itís about the third time.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #35)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:27 PM

77. People can think this and still practice social distancing

I'd say thinking that you had it and not taking precautions and practicing social distancing is the polar opposite of thinking this is the apocalypse or calling the virus the terminator or the perfect killing machine.

Both equally insane and unhealthy.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:43 AM

36. My girlfriend.

We had planned on spending the holidays together. She lives a hundred miles North of me in Mesa, Arizona. She was hors de combat for all of December with what fits the description of Covid 19.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:52 AM

38. I had a strange "bug" in mid-January.

I had the normal aches and pains I get with the flu. These haven't varied my entire life. I had no sore throat.
I had no fever, but I had chills, which I normally get with a fever. I had a headache with this. I never get headaches.
It lasted 2 days, and the 3rd day I was able to work, but I was still a little under.
I never had any difficulty breathing, but I was coughing stuff up.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:09 AM

42. My Spider-sense says this got going in Wuhan in late Oct. early November where

tourist season there was still in swing if winding down. It is highly-doubtful the CPC was not aware of the outbreak in the first weeks of November...in fact:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/first-covid-19-case-happened-in-november-china-government-records-show-report

First Covid-19 case happened in November, China government records show - report
Earliest case detected on 17 November, weeks before authorities acknowledged new virus, says Chinese media

The first case of someone suffering from Covid-19 can be traced back to 17 November, according to media reports on unpublished Chinese government data.

The report, in the South China Morning Post, said Chinese authorities had identified at least 266 people who contracted the virus last year and who came under medical surveillance, and the earliest case was 17 November Ė weeks before authorities announced the emergence of the new virus.

The Chinese government was widely criticised over attempts to cover up the outbreak in the early weeks, including crackdowns on doctors who tried to warn colleagues about a new Sars-like virus which was emerging in the city of Wuhan in Hubei province.

The data obtained by the Post, which the Guardian has not been able to verify, said a 55-year-old from Hubei province could have been the first person to contract Covid-19. For about one month after that date there were one to five new cases reported each day, the report said, and by 20 December there were 60 confirmed cases.

The virus, which is now a pandemic, has infected at least 128,343 people across the world and killed 4,702. Of those who have contracted the virus since it began, 68,324 people have recovered.

Almost 81,000 of the cases occurred in China, mostly in the province of Hubei.


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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:25 AM

46. Remember the vaping deaths?

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Response to MoonlitKnight (Reply #46)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 03:25 AM

50. Wow, I hadn't thought of that

Last edited Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:38 PM - Edit history (1)

It makes perfect sense though.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:20 AM

54. I've read over a hundred similar accounts

My sister had pneumonia in January. At work the surrounding suburbs were inundated by ďthe fluĒ through early February to the extent that the hospital went on bypass. My coworker was knocked off her feet and returned to work with a nasty cough for weeks then a second coworker got ďit.Ē

Pretty sure itís been around it for months.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:26 AM

55. Remember both Whoopi and Oprah had pneumonia?

Betting it was this.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 05:14 AM

59. It could have come from way out in the boonies in China. Just showed up and identified in Wuhan

some time later. We have people visit remote areas in China that could have brought it back sooner than they think possible.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 05:23 AM

60. Yep, had it right after Christmas

My sons came down to NC where I live for Christmas for about 5 days. My youngest, 32, felt awful when he got here and 2 days after they left my wife came down with it and then myself about 5-7 days later. A terrible, dry, almost contant cough. Mine was pretty bad and my wife's was worse to the point that I demanded she go to her doctor, who could not figure out what it was. It lasted almost 2 weeks and then suddenly was gone. No fever, no sore throat, no body aches, just a horrible cough and a nose that ran like it was a faucet. Otherwise did not really feel "sick".

I also noticed a shortness of breath when out walking the dog but didn't think much of it and that has since gone away.

I wish the antibody test was available so we could see if it was Covid or not.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 05:34 AM

61. it was definitely in China then

Li Wenliang's messages in the "Wuhan University Clinical Medicine 2004" WeChat group
on 30 December 2019
(CST 17:43)
Li: There are 7 confirmed cases of SARS(sic) at Huanan Seafood Market.
Li: (Picture of diagnosis report)
Li: (Video of CT scan results)
Li: They are being isolated in the emergency department of our hospital's Houhu Hospital District.
(CST 18:42)

Someone: Be careful, or else our chat group might be dismissed.
Li: The latest news is, it has been confirmed that they are coronavirus infections, but the exact virus is being subtyped.
Li: Don't circulate the information outside of this group, tell your family and loved ones to take caution.
Li: In 1937, coronaviruses were first isolated from chicken...
Source: screenshots in The Beijing News report[14]

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 05:47 AM

62. I never posted this because

I didnít want to sound like an idiot.

A fully functioning close friend of mine basically took to the couch and bed for over a month. The clinical course for this was extremely unusual: congestion and chills with some febrile episodes, complete loss of appetite, and lassitude. Pt has history of mono and Epstein-Barr and denied that the condition resembled her bouts of these. Occasional GI issues but not uncommon in inanactive peopleThis is not a complainer nor a hypochondriac. Sat in front of the tv almost unmoving for a month. Atypical and weird. Every day I called twice to check and it was the same story: donít feel well, donít know whatís wrong, congestion so great itís causing nausea from swallowing so much mucous, bouts of fever, lassitude and exhaustion at times.

I will ask about the eyes and eyelids later today. This individual FINALLY feeling better after about five weeks of this.

Iím glad someone else posted this hypothesis: I didnít want to sound like a lunatic. Or any more of a lunatic as I already sound.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 07:10 AM

65. Yes. My 92-year-old father almost died.

Weakness, cough, pneumonia. He tested negative for the flu. He ended up using a bi-pap, then oxygen and having two nebulizer treatments per day. M sister-in-law was sick, too. I had a cold after visiting him despite washing my hands like crazy and using foam each time I went in and out of his room.

We wonder.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 07:19 AM

66. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of people travel to and from China/East Asia monthly...

That's why WA, CA, and NY are epicenters. If it was common in China by Nov/Dec (pretty safe assumption) it would have been here as early as Thanksgiving and in any major airline hub with flights to East Asia. Most go through SeaTac or SFO/LAX and connect to points east.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 07:42 AM

67. Several reports from people I know saying the same thing

This thing has been circulating for quite some time.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:25 AM

69. Nobody knows the exact time or day it started.

You may be right.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:50 AM

70. Both my brothers in Fla. think they had it in Dec. after opening an overnight package from China

They both are really healthy and within a few days got all the symptoms described - fever, chills, dry cough that intensified... The fever broke after a few days, but the respiratory issue and cough lingered for about 4 weeks.

They said had to handle all of the contents from that package from China that they had had overnighted to them (for their business).

This was mid-December. Neither had ever experienced anything like this strange, powerful type of flu.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:20 PM

75. In February, my coworkers and I all got horrible colds

I haven't called off in two years before then, needed to then. My coworkers got it too, we even called it the "coronavirus" in jest then.

It felt like something worse than a cold. I've also found my breathing has been a little off since then, it's getting better but very slowly.

Makes me wonder.

Despite that, I'm still social distancing.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:24 PM

82. I thought so too, all my co workers and I, beginning of January. I think not now, and here is

why. Watching the way this is developing, the fastness of it but more the hospitalization of so many just so they can breathe, and the numbers of deaths I think lets us know that whatever we had back then wasn't this.

I had all front desk, five people with this. Starting with cough. Going to fever, mine was slight, others higher. Head aches and just feeling crappy for three days then cough lingered after. I pinned it to bronchitis, the others said flu. One had it go away and come back. It was an odd illness. Not a cold I have ever experienced and I do not think a flu.

I cannot believe now after listening to so many people, that all five of us just had a slight and easy experience with disease. And all the others on this thread telling their experience, though odd and interesting is not the same excruciating pain I am hearing from people that get it now.

I really thought the possibility there. We had a group of three working for two weeks in our place that had just come from a China visit, less than a month prior. I even joked with one about it. But, reading people experiences today, now I am thinking no.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:11 PM

84. all 4 of my siblings and my 84 year old mother had pneumonia in January n/t

husband and I were laid low for about 10 days with coughs and fever during this time. had not been together with siblings. n/t

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 09:45 PM

88. I had the flu shot in October, but right after Thanksgiving, after being exposed to my sister's

children who were sick, I got a terrible cold that lasted for over a month. I never really had a fever, but the cough was so bad I was sent home from work a number of times. i tended to underestimate the seriousness of it. I did everything I could to lessen the severity of it, but it was of very long duration and really wore me out. I was kind of in denial that I was sick.

I feel like I have now had a slight relapse, while not nearly as bad, still concerning. This happened to me about 15 years ago in NYC where I basically had a cold that lasted the entire winter and didn't go away until sometime in April or May. I am being good and staying home so as not to concern anyone else. I don't mind it very much, but I would really like to feel completely healthy again.

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