Why are we JUST SITTING HERE waiting to DIE?

[Eliot Rosewater]

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Every hour he is in power, he kills more.

Anyone who thinks we can wait until Nov is kidding themselves, if he stays in power the numbers we will be looking at will be STAGGERING...

The only LEGAL way to remove him is to get the GOP to agree to use the 25th...

IF it is NOT used, IF it is NOT done, a LARGE PERCENTAGE of those reading this will be sick or DEAD in the coming months...

WE CANT WAIT...how do we SHAME repub politicians into acting to save THEIR OWN LIVES?

????


Here is how

But there is actually a lesser-known provision in the 25th Amendment, one that doesn’t require as much complicity from cabinet members and others likely in the Trump tank, which some Democrats on Capitol Hill say could provide a solution to Trump’s escalating erraticism. Specifically, section four of the amendment, which stipulates that not only could the vice president and a majority of the cabinet take such action, but the vice president and a majority of “such other body as Congress may by law provide” can determine whether a president is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office” due to physical or mental incapacity. In fact, in April 2017, during the 115th session of Congress, Maryland Democrat Jamie Raskin introduced a bill to create just such a body—formally titled the “Oversight Commission on Presidential Capacity”—comprised of former elected officials and medical professionals, selected on a bicameral and bipartisan basis, who, with the support of the vice president, could deem Trump unfit.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/25th-amendment-donald-trump


If GOP house and senate members start pushing pressure on the cabinet because dems pressured them, or if they do it this other way...

If house and senate gop tell pence they have his back, if they tell cabinet members, that is one way...but pence would be just as bad so maybe we are just fucking doomed.


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Forget it, I just saw rump support at all time high, and they now say the reason he fucked this up was because he was being impeached, which of course had NOTHING to do with it and this can be proven two thousand different ways...I give up trying to get half the country to become patriots and use their brains.

[BigMin28]

1. Republicans have no shame

nt

[Turin_C3PO]

2. Sadly,

I think November is our only option. His cabinet will not 25th him and he won’t be removed by the Senate. I’m not sure what we can do. We don’t have much power at this point.

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. Then it is far far too late, it really is. Many of us on this board right now are infected and

dont know it and when we need help there wont be any.

I have been sounding the alarm for years, knowing full well just how bad cons can be and we now see faced with DEATH they would rather go with the least qualified person alive than one of the most (any democrat)...

Somehow we must make noise NOW.

[Turin_C3PO]

9. Sorry, wasn't thinking with this post!

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Obviously, we shouldn’t have a march in the middle of a pandemic.

[jberryhill]

25. "I'm all for a huge march in DC"

[ms liberty]

34. Yea, that was my reaction too! n/t

[Turin_C3PO]

35. Lol

I know it seems futile but I’m out of ideas besides voting the bastards out in November.

[jberryhill]

36. Yes, well, having a mass virus infection party may not be the best approach

[Turin_C3PO]

37. That's true, I wasn't thinking.

[customerserviceguy]

50. I don't blame you

for your initial reaction. But, as the responses to your post indicate, mass gatherings are not an option at this time. There's another check on government that is not functioning either, and that is ridicule from late-night TV and Saturday Night Live.

The election is pretty much the only arrow in the quiver.

[Turin_C3PO]

51. Yeah major brain fart there.

You’d think since I’ve been couped up for 3 weeks in quarantine, I’d be a little smarter than that lol. Yes, November is our only hope to get these fascists out of office.

[Tipperary]

3. Dude.

Chill.

[Nay]

4. Are you kidding? The Senate thinks he's great. Great for making them richer. Pence

thinks he's great. Great for ushering in the Apocalypse.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. Each day more and more will die, many many more, if we pressure the

cons who of course KNOW rump is the problem, MAYBE they will choose life over death...

We have to try, call your reps and demand they use the 25th...do it daily...please.

[vapor2]

7. No, we can't wait til Nov

He wants to manage the $500 billion so he can save his drowning hotels?? CALL republicans (not just your rep). Call after hours and leave a message. If you get a staffer during working hours they will ask you if you live in their district so google phone numbers and call them! Makes me feel better and if enough people call ............

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. If you just sit there in your house and don't go out, you probably won't die.

While you sit there in your house waiting to not die, you could be contacting your congresscritters and donating money to Democrats. Don't bother trying to shame GOPers because it can't be done.

[Eliot Rosewater]

11. Doing that, wont help if you mean we wait till Nov...we dont have that much time. Look at Italy.

Look at NYC...

We dont have the time...

Red states urged on by rump are NOT SHELTERING in place, many of them...

We DONT have time.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. So what do you recommend we do?

[Eliot Rosewater]

15. Call your house and senate reps, tell them you want them to

remove using 25th, if they are dems tell them you want them to try, somehow, to convince their con friends in the house or senate to do this before WE DIE...each day the failure of the WH will be very clear, each day MANY more will die, if gop pols think they have support to remove him

MAYBE they will

MAYBE it is a one in ten thousand chance, which is still worth 3 minutes a day to make the calls..

or email your rep...I do both, was in a town hall with House rep yesterday, brought it up then...

[TwilightZone]

18. Chances are zero.

It takes Pence and half of Trump's cabinet or Pence plus 2/3 of both Houses on Congress.

It's not even one in ten thousand. It's zero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_4:_Declaration_by_vice_president_and_principal_officers

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. I've got Amy Klobuchar and Ilhan Omar. I don't think they need reminding.

[Eliot Rosewater]

20. No, but maybe if they hear the intensity in our voices about that we do NOT have till Nov

they might get together and try and convince the cons we are simply going to die otherwise, which for many of us is true.

Right now if you are in a blue state odds are you are under shelter in place, equally odds are if you are in a red state, you are not.

THIS ALONE if changed by new leadership could cut the deaths by MILLIONS...

If we cant leave the house for protests, and we cant and shouldnt, we have ONE TOOL and only one, NOTHING ELSE and that is our email and phone and pressuring politicians.

Phoning or emailing them takes the same amount of time telling me it wont work takes.

What did Obama say, dont boo VOTE..now maybe he would say CALL and PRESSURE them!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

21. Minnesota is a strange place.

We are not under an official shelter in place order (yet) but almost everyone is doing it anyhow.

[Eliot Rosewater]

22. Damn, didnt know that...how unfortunate.

Real leadership in the WH could call on all states to do this, but I guess they dont have to and not sure if a real prez was there is there a way she could do it nationally?

dont know

ALL states should be shelter in place, yet the idiot wants to "open up" the country, as if he had anything to do with "closing it"

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

24. Our governor is using statistical modeling to shut down more gradually

as the health department's models recommend. When things improve the shutdowns will also be lifted gradually. This seems to be a pretty sensible way to do it, since even most people who are not under orders have already done it anyhow.

[Eliot Rosewater]

29. OK, fine..but like Bill Gates just said, we should have done a national shutdown, it would have

worked and it is too late...not too late to avoid FUTURE increase in losses though...yes, by not doing it when we should have many more will die, but we can still do it...



I just think we collectively dont understand how bad it is and that we dont have the time some think we have.

The Bill Gates info is here somewhere.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

32. Gates was probably right but that never would have happened under any GOPer,

let alone a right moron like Trump.

[former9thward]

58. Gates was wrong.

S. Korea did not shut down anything. And everyone says they have it under control. They aggressively isolated those infected and chased down their contacts.

[TwilightZone]

23. Yeah, it's kind of odd.

I have family there and I've been kind of surprised that the authorities haven't been more assertive in locking down the place. We're under more stringent regulations here in central Texas than they are in Minneapolis. Go figure.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

31. It's absolutely quiet around here. People are voluntarily shutting down.

The governor has been gradually imposing incremental shutdowns based on the health department's statistical models. So far it seems to be working because nobody's out and almost nothing is open as it is. All restaurants, bars, barbershops, hairdressers, museums, theatres, concert venues, sports, schools, etc. have ordered closed. The only thing that hasn't been done is a stay at home order. Most people are staying at home anyhow.

[SlogginThroughIt]

49. Walz gave the order to shut down at 2:00 today.

Until April 9th.

Our schools have been shut down over a week and are now shut down until May 4th. Bars and restaurants and others until May 1st.

[jberryhill]

30. "to convince their con friends in the house or senate to do this before WE DIE"

That's not even how the 25th Amendment works.

What is it you want the House and/or Senate to do, exactly.

[Tipperary]

56. Let me know if you get an answer.

[Marrah_Goodman]

10. It is not going to happen

Apparently at least half the country thinks he is doing a great job on CV.

[gibraltar72]

12. When big money tells Rs they are done and won't support them.

They will immediately turn on him. Probably not before that.

[Eliot Rosewater]

13. Phones still work, use them...3 minutes a day.

We dont have till Nov

we dont

[hamsterjill]

16. I feel the same way, but don't know what to do.

Hey, I'm a Texas senior who Dan Patrick says is expendable. I am as livid as you are.

This movement needs a leader and I don't think we have one. I wish someone would come forward and I don't care who it is as long as it's someone who puts the needs of the citizens above the needs of Wall Street.

If a plan develops, tell me what to do and I'll do my best to do my part. I've been calling reps continuously, but who are we kidding? That does not good, especially in red state Texas.

[Eliot Rosewater]

17. We have a leader and he is doing a live thing on FB now...Joe

check it out now and we can talk later


https://www.facebook.com/joebiden/


Worry about WS if you dont die...not important now

[Tipperary]

27. Dude, not everyone is going to die.

Calm down a bit. Gnashing you’re teeth on an Internet forum serves no purpose at all.

No one listens to panicky people: they just do not.

Get out and help in your community. Give to a food bank. Deliver groceries for older folks. Do something that means something.

Try it, you’ll feel better.

[hamsterjill]

52. Dude, let the poster deal as he/she needs

You don’t need to critique the post (i.e., no one listens to panicky people).

Just move on to the next thread if a post bothers you.

Some of us are scared shitless and have every right to be. Allowing someone to vent may very well then allow them to do something to help.

[Tipperary]

54. This is a discussion board.

Feel free to place me on ignore.

[hamsterjill]

55. Why, thank you.

I will.

[hamsterjill]

53. No, Joe will be the leader, but he's not there just yet.

Bernie will need to step aside.

But my comment was more in line with someone like a Martin Luther King; not necessarily a politician.

[Nature Man]

26. The most control any of us have right now

is the decision to stay home, have no human contact (no one leaves), and be able to do this at minimum 30 days. That means 30 days of food, pet care, pharmaceuticals, booze, cigarettes, and scratch off tickets. That might not even do it, that's a medium-case scenario, worst case, stay home longer?

Hunker down and don't get infected.

[Miguelito Loveless]

28. The only thing Trump is ashamed of is

whatever is on the tape the Russians have.

I suspect that it is the same for McConnell, McCarthy, Collins, Nunes, etc.

[guillaumeb]

33. We truly do not know what the mortality rate will be in the US.

We know, or scientists know, the general mortality rate for the common influenza, and that rate is relatively low. Bit in my opinion, the uncertainty is adding to the generalized anxiety.

And social isolation will play a big part in raising the anxiety level.

My feeling is that the rich and well connected assume that their money and power will insulate them from the worst effects.

And we also know that the leaders of the GOP are concerned only with keeping power. And with these social distancing and quarantine at home orders, masa demonstrations will not happen.

One option is for many of us to call, Fax, and email our leaders, and every GOP Congressmember, and demand action.

[Eliot Rosewater]

38. see here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213172382

[guillaumeb]

39. I did.

And welcome back, ER.

It is god to read you here.

[Eliot Rosewater]

42. Thanks, I REFUSE to sit here and do nothing...If we pressure dem house and senate to pressure

gop house and senate to tell them we have their backs if the cabinet removes him or to pass the law to do the other thing mentioned in the 25th, we MIGHT do something.

ALL pence wants is power, he doesnt care at all how...if he thinks he has the backing of some of the right and the left to do this and save his OWN LIFE in the process...

[Brainfodder]

40. Where are all the militias we hear about, is that the real question?

[Eliot Rosewater]

41. NO idea what you mean.

Did you read what I said?

[Brainfodder]

43. That whole 25th amendment thing will never go with this cabinet.

Think harder about what militias do.

These are crooks not real public servants, treat them as such?

[tavernier]

44. I think we need an FSociety, Eliot.

Not gonna happen in D.C. even if every single person on DU calls or writes.

[Warpy]

45. Even Pox News is going to fail them this time

and Republicans are either cooped up or out doing necessary work, just like we are.

Perhaps the ones who are cooped up with little social contact will get bored enough to start asking a few questions, like why aid to people was delayed until corporations got theirs and why protective equipment didn't go to hospitals, why no EO there?

[Javaman]

46. Waiting around to die...

[BeckyDem]

47. 100% agree. When he made the Easter announcement he was sending people to their death.

He knows that base of his supporters will likely listen to him. That is a threat to our national security. he must be removed from office.

[Takket]

48. GOP thinks he's doing a great job and Pelosi caused the pandemic by impeaching.

also, his poll number are rising.

[Crowman]

57. McConnell's wife was given a cabinet position by DJT...

Trump will never be removed by GOP Senate. OK, there is a 1 in a million chance. Worrying about the nearly impossible is a waste of valuable time that could be used for something/anything more useful.