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when they do finally get the message and begin to take the precautions - they essentially are going to extend the time the whole country has to stay home. They are not participating in flattening the curve and this will force the apex to peak later thereby extending the spread.
They will also will shoulder the blame for the economy not recovering sooner as it could if the whole country was under stay at home orders.
I don't think Trump has thought this through and the longer this extends this crisis his poll numbers will sink down. He won't be able to campaign. The economy will drag him down. It will be these Red States that will ultimately bring him down.
onecaliberal
(32,814 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,182 posts)DownriverDem
(6,227 posts)for a wedding in June is over. We will eat the tickets since we didn't take out insurance. I don't expect Italy to be open for travel any time soon.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)their tickets to become vouchers for future use. Other reservations hotels and what not it's hard to say, probably not.
Kablooie
(18,625 posts)He is incapable of thinking anything through.
He only reacts to what is right in front of him and his reaction is always to try to make himself look good at the moment.
There is no thinking of anything except "What would impress my cult members? I'll say that."
No matter what is thrown at him, he will deny it, accuse the person who is behind it of doing the thing instead of him, and then blame someone else.
And IT ALWAYS WORKS. it takes the heat off him and lets him react the same way to the next crisis.
This one is harder though. His tricks don't work very will against a virus nature has thrown at him.
I hope it crashes onto the whole maniacal right wing cult of hate and stupidity and burns them to the ground.
Never looks ahead or takes stock in the past.
enki23
(7,787 posts)MiniMe
(21,714 posts)Cha
(297,123 posts)whether he gives a damn or not.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)TryLogic
(1,722 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)very careful we can turn every red state blue.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,318 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)however, certain places have been taking much better precautions.
Those who believe and understand the severity of the situation are trying to protect themselves and others.
Those who believe it's a "democratic hoax" or scan by the deep state and media alliance. They'll be hit harder because of their disregard.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)And by "smart people" I mean pockets of Democrats.
jimfields33
(15,763 posts)Hawaii and Wyoming. No deaths! We need to figure out what those two states are doing right and emulate what they are doing.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Wyoming is sparsely populated; that will inherently help.
Hawaii probably has some early advantage because it's in the middle of the Pacific. But it's dense in the big cities; they will have to actively stay on top of it or they won't be safe for long. (I make no claim to know what either state is doing now).
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Sick of this us vs them mentality in the face of a worldwide pandemic.
Upthevibe
(8,034 posts)sssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....I soooo agree with you!
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)are generally blue - New Orleans in LA; Houston, Austin, El Paso and San Antonio in TX, Atlanta in GA
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)Not to mention that anyone infected can simply get in their car and cross state lines into a state with a 'smarter, Democratic' populace and kill just as many there.
This whole 'let the Red States kill themselves off' polemic is tiresome and dangerous.
Aquaria
(1,076 posts)Hard hit? We have fewer cases than Austin, which is around 2/3 the size of San Antonio. Dallas and Houston are also much harder hit than Austin.
Dorian Gray
(13,488 posts)I assume this is a joke, but you're advocating genocide by suicide. There are kids and families and grandparents and human beings who've sacrificed for other people who will be killed. This isn't a red vs. blue thing anymore.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)and experts.
I'm saying stay as far away from them you can and let them be. Their stupidity will turn their red state blue.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)The more we adhere to the precautions now, the shorter the duration of this isolation phase will be. As long as people continue to ignore social distancing and spread the virus, the longer we will have to stay sheltered. This should be very simple, but as usual, right-wingers are extremely dense and can't really grasp this concept.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I would add that right wingers refuse to believe any facts at all and they have a LOT of pride in how stubborn they are. They try to out-stubborn each other. They are dense on purpose, in other words. They do it as a bragging right. Who can be the most stubborn and believe the least facts? That is one of their favorite pastimes.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)...millions of them die horrible deaths.
patphil
(6,164 posts)Deliberate, intentional stupidity appears to be the objective.
Chakaconcarne
(2,439 posts)SIP extends the duration, but reduces the mass influx to hospitals.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)quarantined if positive, and now they are pretty much at the end of it. We ignored the warning and we haven't even reached peak yet and can't be sure how long this will drag out. The more people stay in, the less the chance of the disease spreading throughout society, the shorter the severity of the pandemic.
Yes, there is still a time sacrifice, but the chances of having a long, drawn out full blown crisis like they are in Italy become lessened.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)c_junk
(46 posts)But I think you're forgetting that tRump is campaigning daily at each and every daily COVID-19 briefing. He can't have rallies so he has to be on TV, has to tell everyone how great he is!
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)Or as Bill Gates said the other night, "Rip the band aid off" meaning we must make harsh precautions NOW to avoid more damage that will happen the more it is drawn out. Shut the fucking country down down for 6-10 weeks, test everyone and do contact tracing. That is what we ALL must do, not just certain states. I am not self quarantining for 3 weeks now so people can run around the rest of the country like there is no virus. I am doing this for YOU who are not doing it. Be a responsible member of society of go live on a remote island.
crickets
(25,960 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,059 posts)Starting with declaration of emergency within 24 hours of the first case in the state, and orders to shut down higher education the next day, followed rapidly by shutting down elementary and secondary schools, entertainment venues, gatherings of more than 50, restaurants, and a stay at home order.
Let's take political generalizations out of this and focus on pointing out states or leaders who are doing a good job, and holding specific leaders accountable - regardless of party affiliation. There are both Republicans who are leading the way, and Democrats who are lagging. If we fail to do that, we're doing just what the Republicans accuse us of doing: politicizing the pandemic rather than working together to get to the other side of it with as few lives destroyed as possible.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,059 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Generally, not. But kudos to him for acting sane in an emergency.
Phoenix61
(17,000 posts)issue those types of orders. DeWine seems to have a grasp of the situation. So yes, there may be a repub gov that is doing the right thing and I know there are Dem govs of red states that are doing the right thing.
Ms. Toad
(34,059 posts)Is separating us artificially,at a time we all need to be pulling together, because there are responsible, and less s responsible actors of all political colors.
crickets
(25,960 posts)has 1933 cases with 39 deaths, with a population 0f 11.7m. Dewine has been very proactive. I'm glad for the efforts of Ohio.
Ms. Toad
(34,059 posts)I am also grateful he has consistently declined to engage in political back and forth with reporters. Quite a few are actively trying to get him to condemn Trump. I'm not sure what they expect to accomplish from a "making Ohio safer" standpoint - since all that will do is make Trump mad, and then we will be in Trump's doghouse. There's no reason to pick that fight.
(Not that it should be a fight anywhere - but it is far better just to do the right thing and - like your mother always said - if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. That obviously does not apply to places like Michigan or New York - but in places where saying something negative would hurt the residents of the state . . . )
Mendocino
(7,486 posts)2547 cases with 65 deaths. Dewine and Dr.Acton have been stalwart.
Ms. Toad
(34,059 posts)was a volunteer and organizer for Obama (and I confirmed it.
That makes what is going on in Ohio an even more impressive demonstration of putting politics aside for the benefit of Ohioans.
(I'm listening to the press conference right now - it's my daily addiction, and probably the only time I have voluntarily listened to so many hours of Republicans speaking.)
Mendocino
(7,486 posts)I'm in Lucas County, Toledo area.
Ms. Toad
(34,059 posts)I haven't looked today - but yesterday we were #1 in everything but deaths.
Update: I just checked today - and several counties have now left us in the dust. (We're around #5, generally)
Mendocino
(7,486 posts)Cuyahoga Falls for a few years.
Ms. Toad
(34,059 posts)OnDoutside
(19,952 posts)GentryDixon
(2,948 posts)ecstatic
(32,679 posts)weeks ago, because we assumed we'd end up being locked down to nip the outbreak in the bud. That was the perfect time to move forward but I guess I didn't anticipate that trump would still be allowed to put himself first during this crisis.
His inaction is only dragging things out and needlessly increasing the death toll.
Luz
(772 posts)seems to be more than last week
Looks like at least half of us are going to work..or somewhere.
I'm getting out later for my supplies, but that's it. From the behaviour I see in my town, were gonna be hit hard.
42bambi
(1,753 posts)bad as it was a couple of weeks ago mostly due to the school closings, I think. What few things I need I shop online and pick up at curbside. We are about 7 miles from an HEB and a Walmart. Traffic here has slowed except for pickup trucks. It seems almost normal here, but when I see how quiet and isolated other cities are, I wonder when we will be in that kind of environment. Rather worrisome isn't it. Stay safe Luz.
Aquaria
(1,076 posts)A higher than usual essential services community than most.
Thats what happens when a county has multiple military bases and sub-stations. Plus being the regional mail processor for 780-782 zip codes. Plus being a large city thats a county seat. Plus being home to a massive regional health care system. Plus being the corporate headquarters for the regions primary grocery chain. And then all the support personnel necessary for themcops, firefighters, utilities, etc.
All of that means we have a higher concentration of essential workers per capita than most places. And they all have to go to work.
When you get away from the freeways, though, even some of the busiest streets are quiet. I live off one of those, and its been more like it was when I first moved here. Its been refreshing to get my husband to work without the headaches of recent years.
Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)In my corner of TN the vast majority of businesses are closed and the ones that are open (with the exception of grocery stores) are drive through or delivery only. Most are taking precautions.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Drive thru and pick up/delivery only for the rest.
samnsara
(17,615 posts)....normally a drive thru anyway and it was very very busy. Im glad..its a mom and pop joint and i want them to survive.
Johnny2X2X
(19,024 posts)This is a lack of leadership, a strong leader takes the burden of these decision off from lower level leaders.
samnsara
(17,615 posts)...where we already had an aggressive science based flu study. Docs there took swabs of all pts coming in with flu symptoms..even tho the Fed told the docs to stop collecting swabs ( not sure why.. maybe confidentiality issues?) ...they did any way. AND thats how we caught the first virus.
My gawd if it had hit a red state..or any less progressive state.. first, they would just now be identifying it in the US.
gordianot
(15,237 posts)Living in what some would consider a red state we will defend our shelter.
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)bluescribbler
(2,114 posts)I don't think he has thought anything through. He is simply incapable of that kind of thought.
IronLionZion
(45,411 posts)Hoping to kill off people in our cities and blue states early. Mayors and governors who actually care about their people had to act locally to thwart that plan.
Freepers constantly justify authoritarian and openly racist measures as being worth it if it saves just one life. Sacrifices must be made. Pro-life. Think of the children. etc. And that turned out to be complete BS as they want to wipe out our elderly and vulnerable so they can get back to reaping sweet stock market profits from their comfy homes.
Our homeless don't have homes to quarantine and it's impossible to social distance in overcrowded shelters. They're going to get it hard because of Trump's slow action.
And the rural areas won't be spared. Rural people visit each other, go to churches and schools, Trump rallies, sporting events, and so much more. Don't think for a second that people with country houses and forests or farmland in between are social distancing. Even if we eventually beat this virus in our cities, it will continue longer in the country.
SWBTATTReg
(22,100 posts)And in the process, they are simply killing themselves, family members, friends, etc. I hope that this gets thrown into their faces, as it should be.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,402 posts)Instead of yammering about re-opening the country for Easter, he ought to be telling all states to hunker down for the moment to get this under control. I don't expect for this to happen, though. :-/
LAS14
(13,781 posts)crickets
(25,960 posts)Our community is not all that large but we are taking steps. The city council has passed an ordinance closing all schools and closing daycare for all but children of first responders and other emergency services. No more than two may gather on city owned property (sidewalks, bike trail and the like) and no public gatherings of larger than ten people--yes that means churches too, no on site alcohol sales, take out dining only with employees required to have their temperatures taken and tracked. The only businesses open to the public are pharmacies and grocery stores, all required to allow for social distancing. City Hall and the Police Department are drive up window only; misdemeanors are handled with non-custodial arrests. There is a curfew from 9pm to 6am.
Everyone in the country is dealing with having a feckless idiot in charge and that lack of leadership puts us all on the back foot, but ours is not the only community in the state taking these steps. Communities are following form with state wide requirements set out by our governor.
These days, other than people out mowing their lawns in the morning, it is so quiet. The normal background noise of kids playing in the yard down the street: gone. Traffic is a trickle. Maybe the city could have done something sooner, maybe they could do a little more. But make no mistake, the community is not ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away. We are fortunate enough to have a fine hospital here that serves the entire county. Sadly, there are coronavirus patients. At least one has died. It's very sad, was likely preventable as so much of this nightmare was. It didn't have to be this way for any of us.
It's easy to point fingers and blame the other, but now is not the time. If it bleeds, it leads: you're hearing loud noise about the worst of us with very little coverage of the rest of us because the noisy people get better ratings. The rest of us really are doing the best we can to take this seriously and deal with it responsibly. Now is not the time for picking sides for the political dodgeball team. We as a country need to try to be better than that.
We really are better than that.
BComplex
(8,029 posts)Their brains don't work that way, because they're so focused on themselves, and the more immediate gratification/self-pride. That's why they're such poor leaders.
unblock
(52,183 posts)trying to "reopen" the economy by easter is a good example. that would have only caused the whole problem to last longer, cheating themselves out of long-term profit for the sake of a (futile) shot at shot-term profit.
more typically, they refuse to ever consider a higher tax rate, even if the government spends that revenue on making the economy boom, making more money for rich people even given the slightly higher tax rate.
but then, republicans are particularly warped about taxes. my mother used to do financial planning, and sometimes she'd have republicans come in and ask her to make things so the government got nothing. she said, wouldn't you rather have more money left over after taxes? they'd say no, i don't care if i have less money, as long as the government doesn't get any of it! idiotic, really.
Jirel
(2,017 posts)As I'm writing this, I'm listening to the mayor of the closest (small) city to my rural town. He's doing really well on a Facebook Live. He's keeping up more work on this than Dump ever imagined doing. The nearest large city is on a pretty tight shutdown. This mayor is at least as strict. He's talking about science and the numbers here and around the world, and what he has done to shut down irresponsibility, and what he's likely to do soon if certain behavior keeps up. He's logical, well-reasoned, transparent, and very straightforward. With only 7 cases, 6 from travel (thanks, spring break kids) and 1 catching it from a sick family member they were caring for, he's talking about his next step being a complete lockdown.
So, I'm nervous about Louisiana and eastward, which also makes me worry about the Houston area based on people fleeing.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)closed up since March 18. Out governor generally sucks, but weve got one of the least healthy, poorest populations.
procon
(15,805 posts)Going out on a rickety limb to predict these will all be states in Republican control. Residents of nearly half the states in the country have gone rogue and placed the rest of us in greater danger.
Red states with bare bones public healthcare programs, where the poor can't afford to see a doctor until they're half dead. The political leaders of those states will take no responsibility for willfully spreading the virus.
If Trump tried to put New York under quarantine just because he had a mad on for Cuomo, why isn't he ordering all of those 20 reckless states quarantined?
MuseRider
(34,104 posts)shut down for some time now. The R's that populate our legislature are horrible remaining tea-baggers and they have challenged her all along but she has gotten it done. We are, the entire state, at a "only out for food or medicine or if you work an essential job" place and will stay that way for at least 2 weeks but likely until the end of April. They called her a "tin pot dictator authoritarian" but she is tougher and smarter than they are and she just moves ahead. They came back to read her orders because they thought they were stupid but they ended up not changing them. THIS red state, with very few testing kits, has been working it's ass off to contain things. The dumb asses that do not believe in it are still there but mostly we are grateful that we can stay at home safely and when we need to get it out it is still fairly safe.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)With the exception of getting essentials or needed workers.
MuseRider
(34,104 posts)for longer. I think the entire state started yesterday but where I live we have been doing it for longer than that. Whatever, it is being done. Thank god we are not having this crisis under Browback or Kobach.
jcgoldie
(11,627 posts)Sentence works for every issue over the past 4 years... just sayin 🤷?♀️
Demovictory9
(32,445 posts)for longer if they dont act now
Initech
(100,060 posts)I don't like being locked down but it's there for a reason. And these morons who aren't taking this seriously are going to be hit the hardest.
I just want to get out of this nightmare as fast as possible with as minimal damage as possible. And not do anything stupid along the way. Which you know Trump will do something stupid.
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)I see a lot of it online, but most the people I interact with seem to understand what's going on. Even my parents who are annoying Trump-lovers seem to understand this (maybe I played a role in this, I dunno). Counties around the state have been issue shelter orders too. Not just the larger more liberal cities. Then again, I don't how much a red state Texas is these days. If only the governor would stop being a moron and make it state-wide just to do the right thing.
subana
(586 posts)clearly a virus doesn't care if it attacks a liberal or a conservative but republican actions or inactions makes it more likely that the results will be worse in their states.
This thing is so huge, it's not likely to show a more positive result for months! Trump can try to campaign but I can't imagine how even a republican would be ok with his inactions while more americans become sick & more are dying every day! They may try, they've surprised me before by sinking to new lows.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)tazmaniac
(114 posts)on a daily basis with his hour long Coronavirus Updates done at the convenient time when people are about to watch their local news.
la-trucker
(283 posts)The red states will have their eye-opening moment sooner rather than later.