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Ohiogal

(40,508 posts)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:25 AM Mar 2020

Another reason church attendance is a really bad idea.

Last edited Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:19 AM - Edit history (1)

Singing.

Expels your breath much stronger than just normal talking.

Was reading about a church choir practice session in Washington State where, out of 60 people with no symptoms, having a 2 and 1/2 hour choir practice in a room the size of a volleyball court, 45 of them eventually came down with the virus several weeks later.

This happened in early March, before schools were closed and businesses were still open. and large gatherings were not prohibited yet.

They think it was because of all the breath expelled when singing.

I can’t make the link work, it is from an article in the LA Times.

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With the coronavirus quickly spreading in Washington state in early March, leaders of the Skagit Valley Chorale debated whether to go ahead with weekly rehearsal.
The virus was already killing people in the Seattle area, about an hour's drive to the south.

But Skagit County hadn't reported any cases, schools and businesses remained open, and prohibitions on large gatherings had yet to be announced.

On March 6, Adam Burdick, the choir's conductor, informed the 121 members in an email that amid the "stress and strain of concerns about the virus," practice would proceed as scheduled at Mount Vernon Presbyterian Church.

Sixty singers showed up. A greeter offered hand sanitizer at the door, and members refrained from the usual hugs and handshakes.

"It seemed like a normal rehearsal, except that choirs are huggy places," Burdick recalled. "We were making music and trying to keep a certain distance between each other."

After 2½ hours, the singers parted ways at 9 p.m.

Nearly three weeks later, 45 have been diagnosed with COVID-19 or ill with the symptoms, at least three have been hospitalized, and two are dead.

The outbreak has stunned county health officials, who have concluded that the virus was almost certainly transmitted through the air from one or more people without symptoms.

"That's all we can think of right now," said Polly Dubbel, a county communicable disease and environmental health manager.

(snip)

Experts said the choir outbreak is consistent with a growing body of evidence that the virus can be transmitted through aerosols — particles smaller than 5 micrometers that can float in the air for minutes or longer.

One of the authors of that study, Jamie Lloyd-Smith, a UCLA infectious disease researcher, said it's possible that the forceful breathing action of singing dispersed viral particles in the church room that were widely inhaled.

"One could imagine that really trying to project your voice would also project more droplets and aerosols," he said.

With three-quarters of the choir members testing positive for the virus or showing symptoms of infection, the outbreak would be considered a "super-spreading event," he said.

*******. these mega church idiots (I’m talking about the ones recently in Florida and Louisiana) who have defied state orders not to gather in large numbers just infuriate me!!! Do they think they are special !!!


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Ohiogal

(40,508 posts)
3. I have been in stores
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:35 AM
Mar 2020

Whee idiots are yelling and talking in big loud voices walking past me, laughing, etc. I hold my breath! Sometimes you can’t avoid them till they’re right upon you.

A store clerk walked toward me the other day, stopped in his tracks, and yelled HEY BOB!!! To his co worker down at the other end of the store. Right in my ear. Aarrgghh

Blues Heron

(8,794 posts)
6. I know! I wore a mask last time at the store for that reaon
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:39 AM
Mar 2020

Not sure if it will help or hurt though, seemed my own breath was fogging up my glasses getting in my eyes? [primal scream]

Ohiogal

(40,508 posts)
9. Why don't some people get it?
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:46 AM
Mar 2020

Is asking someone not to yell or laugh loudly in my face too much to ask?

We’re going to become a nation of germaphobes and agoraphobics before this is all over!

dalton99a

(94,093 posts)
2. Links:
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:31 AM
Mar 2020
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak
Choir practice turns fatal. Airborne coronavirus strongly suspected
By Richard Read | Seattle Bureau Chief
March 29, 2020


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-choir-decided-to-go-ahead-with-rehearsal-now-dozens-of-members-have-covid-19-and-two-are-dead/ar-BB11Tjim
A choir decided to go ahead with rehearsal. Now dozens of members have COVID-19 and two are dead
By Richard Read, Los Angeles Times
March 29, 2020

ProfessorGAC

(76,635 posts)
7. I Read The First Link Earlier
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:43 AM
Mar 2020

I'm not convinced that choir practice is proof of airborne nature of CV.
As Ohiogal said, not only does one expel a lot of high velocity air, but as one who has sung at gigs around 2,000 times, there's a lot of saliva flying out too.
Had to clean off keyboards (I played those & guitar) every night because of all that junk flying out of my mouth.
So, singing is a way to transmit the virus without the virus itself being able to survive airborne. You're going to transmit just due to the nature of singing.

NightWatcher

(39,376 posts)
5. Make ya a deal. God's got til Tuesday to cure this, if he can't or won't, we close all churches.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:38 AM
Mar 2020

Ohiogal

(40,508 posts)
13. Tell the churchgoers who think they're special!
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:52 AM
Mar 2020

If they get sick, they’ll just say “it’s God’s will. “

tanyev

(49,236 posts)
8. I would imagine that the deep inhalations of singing were also part of the equation.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:46 AM
Mar 2020

Expel +Virus + Inhale = Disaster

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
11. I thought is was because I would find myself amongst a bunch of smug and sanctimonious assholes.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:52 AM
Mar 2020

.

But, then again, I guess that would make me one too.

.

PJMcK

(25,046 posts)
14. Singing in a choir
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:12 AM
Mar 2020

Good post, Ohiogal. Thanks for bringing this story to our attention.

One of the things about singing is that one tends to spit a little while articulating the lyrics. It's an inevitable thing that happens when you're trying to be musical.

I'm sure that saliva played a part in this story.

Ohiogal

(40,508 posts)
15. I just never realized it, PJ.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:16 AM
Mar 2020

Evidently our talented singers here on DU are in concurrence!

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