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Singing.
Expels your breath much stronger than just normal talking.
Was reading about a church choir practice session in Washington State where, out of 60 people with no symptoms, having a 2 and 1/2 hour choir practice in a room the size of a volleyball court, 45 of them eventually came down with the virus several weeks later.
This happened in early March, before schools were closed and businesses were still open. and large gatherings were not prohibited yet.
They think it was because of all the breath expelled when singing.
I cant make the link work, it is from an article in the LA Times.
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With the coronavirus quickly spreading in Washington state in early March, leaders of the Skagit Valley Chorale debated whether to go ahead with weekly rehearsal.
The virus was already killing people in the Seattle area, about an hour's drive to the south.
But Skagit County hadn't reported any cases, schools and businesses remained open, and prohibitions on large gatherings had yet to be announced.
On March 6, Adam Burdick, the choir's conductor, informed the 121 members in an email that amid the "stress and strain of concerns about the virus," practice would proceed as scheduled at Mount Vernon Presbyterian Church.
Sixty singers showed up. A greeter offered hand sanitizer at the door, and members refrained from the usual hugs and handshakes.
"It seemed like a normal rehearsal, except that choirs are huggy places," Burdick recalled. "We were making music and trying to keep a certain distance between each other."
After 2½ hours, the singers parted ways at 9 p.m.
Nearly three weeks later, 45 have been diagnosed with COVID-19 or ill with the symptoms, at least three have been hospitalized, and two are dead.
The outbreak has stunned county health officials, who have concluded that the virus was almost certainly transmitted through the air from one or more people without symptoms.
"That's all we can think of right now," said Polly Dubbel, a county communicable disease and environmental health manager.
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Experts said the choir outbreak is consistent with a growing body of evidence that the virus can be transmitted through aerosols particles smaller than 5 micrometers that can float in the air for minutes or longer.
One of the authors of that study, Jamie Lloyd-Smith, a UCLA infectious disease researcher, said it's possible that the forceful breathing action of singing dispersed viral particles in the church room that were widely inhaled.
"One could imagine that really trying to project your voice would also project more droplets and aerosols," he said.
With three-quarters of the choir members testing positive for the virus or showing symptoms of infection, the outbreak would be considered a "super-spreading event," he said.
*******. these mega church idiots (Im talking about the ones recently in Florida and Louisiana) who have defied state orders not to gather in large numbers just infuriate me!!! Do they think they are special !!!
Blues Heron
(8,794 posts)I give them a very wide berth!
Ohiogal
(40,508 posts)Whee idiots are yelling and talking in big loud voices walking past me, laughing, etc. I hold my breath! Sometimes you cant avoid them till theyre right upon you.
A store clerk walked toward me the other day, stopped in his tracks, and yelled HEY BOB!!! To his co worker down at the other end of the store. Right in my ear. Aarrgghh
Blues Heron
(8,794 posts)Not sure if it will help or hurt though, seemed my own breath was fogging up my glasses getting in my eyes? [primal scream]
Ohiogal
(40,508 posts)Is asking someone not to yell or laugh loudly in my face too much to ask?
Were going to become a nation of germaphobes and agoraphobics before this is all over!
dalton99a
(94,093 posts)Choir practice turns fatal. Airborne coronavirus strongly suspected
By Richard Read | Seattle Bureau Chief
March 29, 2020
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-choir-decided-to-go-ahead-with-rehearsal-now-dozens-of-members-have-covid-19-and-two-are-dead/ar-BB11Tjim
A choir decided to go ahead with rehearsal. Now dozens of members have COVID-19 and two are dead
By Richard Read, Los Angeles Times
March 29, 2020
Ohiogal
(40,508 posts)ProfessorGAC
(76,635 posts)I'm not convinced that choir practice is proof of airborne nature of CV.
As Ohiogal said, not only does one expel a lot of high velocity air, but as one who has sung at gigs around 2,000 times, there's a lot of saliva flying out too.
Had to clean off keyboards (I played those & guitar) every night because of all that junk flying out of my mouth.
So, singing is a way to transmit the virus without the virus itself being able to survive airborne. You're going to transmit just due to the nature of singing.
Ohiogal
(40,508 posts)Excellent point.
NightWatcher
(39,376 posts)Ohiogal
(40,508 posts)If they get sick, theyll just say its Gods will.
tanyev
(49,236 posts)Expel +Virus + Inhale = Disaster
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
But, then again, I guess that would make me one too.
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Initech
(108,692 posts)PJMcK
(25,046 posts)Good post, Ohiogal. Thanks for bringing this story to our attention.
One of the things about singing is that one tends to spit a little while articulating the lyrics. It's an inevitable thing that happens when you're trying to be musical.
I'm sure that saliva played a part in this story.
Ohiogal
(40,508 posts)Evidently our talented singers here on DU are in concurrence!
safeinOhio
(37,611 posts)a lightning strike if I attend.