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edhopper

(37,194 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 07:43 PM Feb 2021

Ducklo has stage four lung cancer

This does not excuse his behavior, but it might temper some reaction to what he did.
I think he still needed to resign, but I also give him a little sympathy with my condemnation.

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Ducklo has stage four lung cancer (Original Post) edhopper Feb 2021 OP
He could be on some meds that make him angry and erratic? Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #1
From a little bit of experience, here Nac Mac Feegle Feb 2021 #10
Steroids have a high incidence of producing out of control rage and anger. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #11
As someone with a $200,000/year daughter - Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #18
Good point. I hope Biden took this into account and arrangements were made. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #27
That is absolutely true. My husband was on high doses of prednisone etc. many years ago and he said skylucy Feb 2021 #13
I'm on a strong dose of methyl prednisone at the moment Sympthsical Feb 2021 #19
O... Deuxcents Feb 2021 #2
He is in a relationship with a reporter from Axios edhopper Feb 2021 #5
Yeah it's a sad situation BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #3
Oh my goodness...... he is so young... secondwind Feb 2021 #4
I think I'm probably free after eight years of fighting, surgeries, "infusions". I get what ... marble falls Feb 2021 #6
He actually has stage four lung cancer. Drunken Irishman Feb 2021 #7
Oh edhopper Feb 2021 #8
that's sad bdamomma Feb 2021 #9
And Greg Gianforte is Governor JI7 Feb 2021 #12
+1 dalton99a Feb 2021 #17
The very imporant story was that he started seeing Axios Reporter while she was engaged to someone e JI7 Feb 2021 #14
He could be in the last phase if his life and acted out when he saw applegrove Feb 2021 #15
He apologized. He will soon be dying. Leave him in peace. dalton99a Feb 2021 #16
Does this logic go for Limbaugh too? cwydro Feb 2021 #20
No edhopper Feb 2021 #21
I don't think acting in a misogynistic way to a colleague and saying "I will destroy you" came cwydro Feb 2021 #23
I am not excusing his behavior or saying he should not of resigned. edhopper Feb 2021 #24
They certainly do. Some people exhibit very extreme behavior. I'm a breast cancer survivor and shrike3 Feb 2021 #30
It can. I'm a cancer survivor and have known others in treatment, and the drugs can work havoc shrike3 Feb 2021 #29
Limbaugh was who he is decades before he developed cancer. Why compare the two???? George II Feb 2021 #22
He resigned. It's over Sympthsical Feb 2021 #25
Well said. nt cwydro Feb 2021 #26
Cancer treatment can wreak havoc on your thoughts and emotions. shrike3 Feb 2021 #28

Nac Mac Feegle

(983 posts)
10. From a little bit of experience, here
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:22 PM
Feb 2021

Often cancer patients are prescribed steroids. These can randomly play merry hell with the emotions. I had some mood swings during some of my medical misadventures, and have some acquaintances who have suffered like. They can come on with unpredictable triggers. There can be hidden stressors that aren't even known to the patients themselves, triggering an episode 'out of the blue'.

Not truly being in control of ones' self emotionally is unbelievably frightening, on top of everything else going on. The shame of having 'lost it' so unexpectedly is another stressor to pile atop everything else.

Don't judge too harshly, you may not know all the facts.

Irish_Dem

(80,476 posts)
11. Steroids have a high incidence of producing out of control rage and anger.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:27 PM
Feb 2021

There can also be psychotic symptoms where the patient begins to lose a sense of reality or becomes paranoid.

In addition, a young man with stage 4 cancer must have significant grieving and loss issues.

If he loves his girlfriend a great deal and perceives her as his rock right now, he could irrationally try to protect her by lashing out.

I feel empathy and compassion right now for him. I would guess Biden does as well.

Bottom line is that this young man does not belong in the work place and is better off at home with loved ones. He doesn't need the pressure cooker of the WH.

Ms. Toad

(38,422 posts)
18. As someone with a $200,000/year daughter -
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 03:47 AM
Feb 2021

Even when you have a medically and financially devastating illness, access to health care is tied to your job.

From personal experience, the ACA starts on the first of the month - and insurance is sometimes terminated immediately (rather than the end of the month). Treatment from now until Feb 28 for stage IV cancer could be financially devastating.

Irish_Dem

(80,476 posts)
27. Good point. I hope Biden took this into account and arrangements were made.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 11:22 AM
Feb 2021

He knows first hand the financial devastation a cancer dx entails.

skylucy

(4,019 posts)
13. That is absolutely true. My husband was on high doses of prednisone etc. many years ago and he said
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:29 PM
Feb 2021

they made him feel like putting his fist through the wall. He hated the feeling. Steroids are a miracle drug in many ways to control inflammation, but their side effects can be awful.

Sympthsical

(10,907 posts)
19. I'm on a strong dose of methyl prednisone at the moment
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 06:50 AM
Feb 2021

The cause is a bad allergic reaction to something unknown.

I haven’t felt any anger issues all week, but the dreams have been hyper realistic and completely wild. Every time I sleep (which is constantly, because of accompanying antihistamines), it’s like entering a bizarre second life.

I don’t know what I was exposed to, but I’d like to not experience this week again.

Deuxcents

(26,159 posts)
2. O...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 07:47 PM
Feb 2021

Sad to hear n I still don’t understand what happened for his dismissal. I missed the conversation but ..yeah..not a good place to be with his health n now this.

BannonsLiver

(20,317 posts)
3. Yeah it's a sad situation
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 07:50 PM
Feb 2021

What he did was deeply unprofessional. A simple “I’m sorry but it’s none of your business who I’m dating. (click)” would have sufficed.

But maybe on the upside I can’t imagine a drearier backdrop to a cancer fight than American politics. So maybe getting away from it will benefit his overall well-being.

marble falls

(71,404 posts)
6. I think I'm probably free after eight years of fighting, surgeries, "infusions". I get what ...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 07:53 PM
Feb 2021

... might be going on in his life. Doesn't give him a pass. There are good anger management therapies, but I do feel he gets a bit more of a chance. There's no indication he's given any advantage to his 'steady'.

Thank goodness I got a pass the times I needed it, being sick with no guaranties can work on someone.

JI7

(93,396 posts)
12. And Greg Gianforte is Governor
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:28 PM
Feb 2021

He had support of his party during his time in Congress and run for governor.

For those who claim to care about assault on reporters.

JI7

(93,396 posts)
14. The very imporant story was that he started seeing Axios Reporter while she was engaged to someone e
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:46 PM
Feb 2021

Politico needed to expose that all imporant scandal of the Biden administration.

applegrove

(131,227 posts)
15. He could be in the last phase if his life and acted out when he saw
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 03:08 AM
Feb 2021

that threatened. No excuse. He made a great statement in admission of that fact as he apologized.

edhopper

(37,194 posts)
21. No
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 09:05 AM
Feb 2021

because Rush is the same asshole he has been his whole life. He is not acting differently since he became ill.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
23. I don't think acting in a misogynistic way to a colleague and saying "I will destroy you" came
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 09:10 AM
Feb 2021

from illness.

When people show you who they are...

edhopper

(37,194 posts)
24. I am not excusing his behavior or saying he should not of resigned.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 09:13 AM
Feb 2021

But yes, the drugs he is probably on for stage four lung cancer do affect behavior.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
30. They certainly do. Some people exhibit very extreme behavior. I'm a breast cancer survivor and
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 11:40 AM
Feb 2021

have heard stories that would curl your hair. They definitely impact emotions, behavior, everything. I also know someone who's a Stage 4 lung cancer survivor, so there is hope.

After what he said and did, there's no way he could remain in the press office.
 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
29. It can. I'm a cancer survivor and have known others in treatment, and the drugs can work havoc
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 11:38 AM
Feb 2021

on your thoughts and emotions. I remember a woman telling me that when she was in treatment, she despised her husband and wanted to end her marriage. However, given she was in treatment she took no action. Once it was over and the drugs were out of her system, it was like a fog lifted and everything was as it was before. You don't know how to react.

That said, he could not be in the press office after saying and doing what he did. I wish him the best. Time to move on.

Sympthsical

(10,907 posts)
25. He resigned. It's over
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 09:14 AM
Feb 2021

I'm not going to defend what he did or slander anyone involved.

Sad it happened. Glad he resigned. Sadder that this is part of the legacy he's leaving behind after achieving what must've been the high point of his career. Cancer is a horrible way to go. But to know you're going and this is the last impression of your career?

I feel a lot of empathy for the situation.

But he did have to go, because what he did was very, very out of bounds.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
28. Cancer treatment can wreak havoc on your thoughts and emotions.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 11:34 AM
Feb 2021

That said, he could not remain in that position after what he did and said. I hope his health improves and he gets his life together.
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