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babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 08:07 AM Apr 2020

Navy Rejects Captain's Plea to Evacuate Virus-Ravaged Carrier


Navy Rejects Captain’s Plea to Evacuate Virus-Ravaged Carrier
By Roxana Tiron
, Travis J Tritten
, and Glen Carey
March 31, 2020, 11:52 AM EDT Updated on March 31, 2020, 7:52 PM EDT


A U.S. Navy captain’s dramatic plea to evacuate most sailors from an aircraft carrier struck by the coronavirus was tamped down by an admiral who called for a more gradual rotation of crew members off the ship that’s sidelined in Guam.

Citing an “ongoing and accelerating” danger on board the USS Theodore Roosevelt, Captain Brett Crozier sent his Navy superiors a memo pleading, “We are not at war. Sailors do not need to die.” He called for removing all but a skeleton crew off the carrier, where sailors are in close quarters, so that they can be isolated and tested.

Admiral J.C. Aquilino, commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, told reporters Tuesday evening that it’s not possible to move as quickly as Crozier wanted. “There are some constraints that we’re operating around,” he said. He added that he’s in touch with the governor of Guam about finding hotel rooms where sailors can stay until they are cleared to return.

Asked whether the carrier should be evacuated, Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Tuesday evening that “I don’t think we are at that point.”

“At this point in time, we are trying to make sure that we contain the virus, that we deploy testing kits, and we get a good assessment of how much of the crew is infected,” Esper said in an interview on the “CBS Evening News.”


President Donald Trump told reporters at the White House that he’d leave the decision up to the Pentagon.

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Navy Rejects Captain's Plea to Evacuate Virus-Ravaged Carrier (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2020 OP
One suspects that Captain Crozier's career is over Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #1
I think he'll be fine Phoenix61 Apr 2020 #5
I believe it will be the other way around Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #6
Evacuate the ship to where? jberryhill Apr 2020 #7
While the average age may be 24 there are Phoenix61 Apr 2020 #8
That doesn't address the question of how and to where to evacuate an aircraft carrier jberryhill Apr 2020 #10
Again, you can't isolate on a carrier. Phoenix61 Apr 2020 #11
"He requested to take it down to a skeleton crew" jberryhill Apr 2020 #12
Aren't military leaders supposed to care for the well-being of those in their commad? bobbieinok Apr 2020 #2
there will be a mutiny unless the get it under control Demonaut Apr 2020 #3
Unfuckingbelievable spanone Apr 2020 #4
Esper wants to wait and see how many are infected? Ilsa Apr 2020 #9

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. One suspects that Captain Crozier's career is over
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 08:22 AM
Apr 2020

assuming he survives the virus outbreak on his ship. He seems to be a good man that cares for his crew, but probably made too many waves to keep his job.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
5. I think he'll be fine
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 08:31 AM
Apr 2020

It’s the guy above him who refused to evacuate the ship who has toasted his own career.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
7. Evacuate the ship to where?
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 08:55 AM
Apr 2020

My understanding is limited, but the average age aboard an aircraft carrier is something like 24 years old.

85% of covid-19 cases resolve with no more than mild to moderate symptoms, and that number is improved at the young end.

They have better medical facilities than any town of their population, and are out in the middle of the Pacific.

Again, maybe I'm unbelievably stupid, but what place is better off to receive them than they are to care for themselves?

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
8. While the average age may be 24 there are
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 09:07 AM
Apr 2020

a lot of people who are going to be in their late 30’s-40’s, basically all the high ranking personnel. I seriously doubt they are supplied to deal with a respiratory epidemic on board. Due to the tight quarters there is no way to keep the disease from spreading. We saw how rapidly it spread on cruise ships and they have private rooms for everyone. What do you think happens in open dorms, shared shower spaces, and cafeterias?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. That doesn't address the question of how and to where to evacuate an aircraft carrier
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 09:26 AM
Apr 2020

They can't just abandon the ship at Guam. One would suspect that every military installation is dealing with the identical problem right now, it is simply that most military facilities don't make public reports of their strength and combat readiness for reasons that should be obvious.

What is the alternative plan other than to find a way to isolate and treat as best as possible and then recycle recovered crew back into service?

Who would you like to remove, where would you like them to go, and how would you like to get them there?

Click their heels three times and turn up in San Diego?

Or have daily flights for people who, by and large, are going to have a fever and cough for a couple of days and then be fine - thus infecting the air crews?

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
11. Again, you can't isolate on a carrier.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 09:38 AM
Apr 2020

The captain didn’t request to abandon the ship. He requested to take it down to a skeleton crew which means it would still be battle ready but with fewer people on board. Reach out to the Air Force base there and enlist their help.

Added: I don’t think they have ruby slippers on board so clicking their heels probably wouldn’t work. While young people are less likely to die from covid they make up the same percentage of hospital admissions as older people. How many ventilators do you think they have on board?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
12. "He requested to take it down to a skeleton crew"
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 09:52 AM
Apr 2020

There is no guarantee the members of the skeleton crew would not also be infected, thus losing redudancy.

But I'm still not clear on where the others are proposed to go, how they are to get there, nor what the condition of that destination might be. I am certain that this aircraft carrier is not the only vessel, base or other military installation that has its hands full with this right now.

"How many ventilators do you think they have on board?"

How many are any place else? We are going to hit a point real soon where there are more people who need them than anyone has them, and that is not a unique condition to a military vessel which, again, has better medical facilities than any town its size.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
2. Aren't military leaders supposed to care for the well-being of those in their commad?
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 08:26 AM
Apr 2020

His comments sound pretty cold-blooded! !

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
9. Esper wants to wait and see how many are infected?
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 09:13 AM
Apr 2020

Likely all of them. It's irresponsible to play with their lives like this.

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