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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm embarrassed that some need to be told this, but DO NOT BUY INTO THE MEDIA'S BULLSHIT!
Trump's "tone", and whether or not it has changed, is IRRELEVANT, people! It doesn't mean diddly-shit!
If his incompetence kills hundreds of thousands of us, does it matter what "tone" he affected when he lied to us about how bad it was and how terrible it was going to get?
Do not watch him! Do not listen to him! Do not believe one damn word that he or his people say!
Publicity is his oxygen. Let him suffocate at his damn podium!
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)If we had a halfway competent human being in charge we would have never gotten here.
CurtEastPoint
(18,529 posts)Maraya1969
(22,409 posts)That's it. He looked like like a carnival barker and the media is all a twitter.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)on the "changed" tone Trump used at his recent presser; how he now "takes this seriously" and "gets it". They go on to speculate that maybe seekng corpses loaded into trucks in Queens or hearing what his medical experts were saying influenced him for the better. BS!
Trump saw polling and heard political advisors warning that if too many died while he dithered, it might cost him his re election. THAT is what he cares about! So, he's heeding that old Hollywood advice: "It's all about sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made!"
LiberalArkie
(15,673 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,884 posts)Continues to make you wonder - just what does he take daily?
Catherine Vincent
(34,485 posts)And the fact that ads using his own words is biting him in the ass.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)otherwise. The minute he starts talking like he actually gives a flying fuck about anybody else, it is evident to anyone with half a brain that he is lying through his teeth. The "humble" act that he was putting on for the media and the rest of us made me want to vomit. It was thoroughly disgusting.
The only time he is sincere is when he is talking about what a "genius" he is or when he is spewing hatred. You can actually tell between "Sincere Trump" who sounds like a vulgar carnival barker and "Full of Shit Trump" who speaks in an almost whispery, low, sing-songy voice. It NEVER varies. Never.
Mr.Bill
(24,031 posts)in the early 70s. I'm not kidding.
pazzyanne
(6,500 posts)The tRumps have always been pariahs to those who paid attention. Totally disgusting people.
CaptainTruth
(6,540 posts)peggysue2
(10,801 posts)This morning I read that 'changed tone' was deliberate with Trump boasting he could get one over on the media. Sounds as if the media has taken the bait.
There's only one tone/pitch/message from Donald: Me, Me, Me.
This recent media interpretation is similar to 'the pivot' serious people were anticipating, the moment Trump would emerge as presidential.
Never happened, never will.
Hillary Clinton called it 4 years ago--what you see is what you get when it comes to Donald Trump. He was a sorry excuse for a man when he ran in 2016, a petty, vindictive ignoramus. He's the same sorry ass man we see today.
mdbl
(4,972 posts)If I were the editor of a news organization, the coverage on Trump would be 1/200th of the time they spend on him now. The reason my coverage of him would be so low is because that is all the time he spends saying anything of value. The rest is just blather and BS. When i say of "value", I mean newsworthy, not necessarily valuable to the country.
dalton99a
(80,907 posts)The con man only knows how to con
NRaleighLiberal
(59,922 posts)negative attention is like gasoline.
nykym
(3,063 posts)Is forced to read something written by someone else.
Once done he goes right back to his lies and accusations.
dweller
(23,526 posts)just for the headlines, i saw the 'tone' they are referring to in a clip ...
i saw the usual BS that fatnixon uses where he appears to know more than anyone, where every trite blather he emits is suppose to sound like an expert
is BS and it's all he got ..
personally i want the news to be on the front lines, at the hospitals with someone from PR answering reporters questions, with the #'s of patients coming in, going out
and listing the shortages of supplies, what's needed NOW and descriptions of what the drs are facing ... this and this only is what the public needs to hear,
not the useless blathering lies from that asshole in the oval office and his enablers and minions
just my op
✌🏼
Demonaut
(8,906 posts)he's a complete disaster, the absolute wrong man at the wrong time
ooky
(8,866 posts)He was playing golf and having rallies when he should have been leading the effort to prepare for this outbreak. His incompetence is causing needless deaths. That hasn't changed. That's the "tone".
cwydro
(51,308 posts)The change in tone I saw simply gave me a grim satisfaction that at last he knows he has fucked up badly.
I dont think for a skinny minute that he gives a damn about the sick or dying, but he does care that his support may soon crater.
That was my interest in his tone.
Phoenix61
(16,926 posts)charming. None of that changes the fact he was a serial killer. Twitler can change his tone but hes still a malignant narcissist and will continue to act like one.
dalton99a
(80,907 posts)Chainfire
(17,265 posts)My big question is this:
They are now publicly estimating 1-200,000 deaths. Are they lying so they can come back and say, we only had 88,000 deaths so we are great heroes and have been very successful?
Or are they soft peddling the numbers to maintain our morale, when they really estimate that results could be much higher?
In any case, their change of message and tone is now laying the ground work to say that the deaths were caused by the people not following their guidelines. It won't matter a whit if their guidelines came a month late, after the horse was, not only out of the barn, but out of the damn county and still at a full gallop. They are going to try to pin the die-off on the people rather than the leadership; a cowards path.
Trump is going to claim that a large part of the problem was because he didn't inherit enough equipment to deal with the problem. That can be countered by pointing out that if he knew we did not have the tools to deal with the crisis, then why did he wait so damn long to take any effective actions? He could have told us very early on that, "Your very life depends on social distancing, because we do not have the tools to deal with a massive outbreak, if we don't shut down and you don't stay in." He could have then taken the hard steps to enforce the declaration. It is just another example of a failure of leadership.
We are going to have to hold the Administration fully accountable for the massive death toll, (and a hundred thousand is massive) and we have examples of countries that did a far better job because they had far better leadership, with leadership is the only variable.
I think back to the dark days of WWII when Churchill told his people, " I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. His nation did not have to question his veracity or his hidden motives. When Trump faced a national crisis, he told us that the coming disaster was a hoax directed against him personally. That is the difference between a leader and a failure.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)world wide wally
(21,714 posts)He is just putting out talking points for his MAGAts to argue.
BComplex
(7,964 posts)toll".....
No, We are going to have to hold Donald Trum, the REPUBLICANS and REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS, and Fox "news" fully accountable for the massive death toll.
This is on all of them, but primarily lead by trump.
Chainfire
(17,265 posts)You are right, but Trump is the captain of the ship of state, he has to own everything that happens on his watch. With great power comes great responsibility.
We have a chance to get to cut his source of power and protection in November. Then, that accomplished, justice can be handed down in our own sweet time. There will be plenty of liberty and justice for all. (and they ain't gonna like it)
BComplex
(7,964 posts)Elizabeth Warren would have. Harris and Booker would have. Klobuchar probably would have. But Joe never will.
spanone
(135,586 posts)Brainfodder
(6,420 posts)Suicide and a note confessing everything.
Short of that, fuck off to infinity.
wishstar
(5,264 posts)The next 2 weeks still only includes 2 days beyond Easter April 12th. I've noticed that many people have impression that he is predicting we will see up to 200,000 dead by 2 weeks as it peaks then and comes back down, so many people will misinterpret the prediction and think we are doing better if we haven't reached that many deaths in 2 weeks.
So, no he still isn't credible and is still trying to whitewash his failures to lead the federal response.
zaj
(3,433 posts)hay rick
(7,495 posts)especially the deliberately tone deaf.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)marble falls
(56,029 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)as Majority Leader and proceed with an impeachment of Trump.
yellowdogintexas
(22,064 posts)unless KY kicks his ass out the door in November.
I am salivating at the idea that he will lost his election. I believe that is the best birthday present ever (my birthday is a week prior to the election )
not fooled
(5,790 posts)because of red don's inattention and mishandling of this crisis, from its inception. And, even now, by refusing to utilize the federal government effectively, his actions continue to contribute to the toll.
The media needs to remember that red don's malfeasance has resulted in many, many more deaths.
handmade34
(22,753 posts)dismisses the fact that his incompetence has caused many deaths... I want him gone
jalan48
(13,785 posts)crickets
(25,893 posts)I don't think that Donny's tone change, if any, matters as much as the tone of the coverage he was getting.
Media was actually showing some nerve, starting to hit back, and we can't have that. Now suddenly media are no longer talking as much about the facts of coronavirus and how badly it's being handled, it's all about Donny again. Let's be concerned about how he's feeling and thinking.
What utter garbage. Turning on dime like this from drilling into the facts about his incompetence to his precious feelings smells like marching orders from the top. Ah, breathe deep the gathering reek.
jalan48
(13,785 posts)for it.
gordianot
(15,223 posts)A totally undeserved second chance. He can change his response daily like everything he does in life another massive failure.
The campaign ads are going to be brutal.
ffr
(22,636 posts)Conservatives gave us this. They own the deaths of the tens of thousands of their fellow Americans to come. SHAME!
cayugafalls
(5,588 posts)of controlling the message for the ruling elite. They can change the message and repeat it often enough and the brainwashed masses will follow along as if all is well.
Sure there are a few woke people, but they a far outnumbered and NOT in control in any measurable way of the overall message that gets spread by technology to the masses of consumers who regurgitate the opinions that they hear on TV and radio.
"He who controls the medium controls the message. He who controls the message controls the masses." Joseph Goebbels
This is just my opinion...
stay well.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)McKim
(2,412 posts)Yes, I will never forget the warmonger propaganda on MSNBC: Countdown Iraq! This repeating meme established the inevitability of a War on Iraq even while the UN inspectors had not finished their job of checking out the famous Weapons of Mass Destruction. Disgusting.
cayugafalls
(5,588 posts)I can remember the disconnect and how I was trying to convince my friends that Bush was seeking revenge for the assassination plot to kill his paw.
Ms. Toad
(33,896 posts)What it means is that he's playing his normal games that universally win with his acolytes.
He has figured out reality - and is messaging in a way that will keep his followers locke to him. Even though the death toll will be enormous, Trumpets will believe his new story - he was messaging hope a few days ago because it wasn't certain to occur (and it is only occurring now because impeachment, governors, anyone other than him). Because he is giving a worst-case scenario, the idiot-in-chief will look good to the sheep-idots when it turns out to be not quite as bad as he was predicting yesterday, and he can claim credit for the turn-around.
He is extremely good at this - so we treat it as irrelevant at our peril. Just as we treated his candidacy as a joke to the country's detriment.
Paladin
(28,173 posts)Before trump and his fellow incompetents have any more opportunities to murder us and our fellow citizens.
marieo1
(1,402 posts)I hate DJT more than I've ever hated anyone in my life. He gives us absolutely nothing to be proud of or feel good about, he is a degenerate piece of humanity. How he got in public office is beyond me. Well.... I do know, he manipulated and conned people as he has done his whole life. HE has nothing to offer to the USA. He and his family need to move to Russia and he and Putin can love each other. We need rid of him now!!!! He is destroying our country.
Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)B4 Common Era
(16 posts)I respectfully disagree with the idea that trump shouldnt be seen or heard from during this pandemic. His daily briefings and melt downs against reporters are doing more for the Democratic cause than millions of dollars worth of campaign adds.
I mostly work with conservative men, who insist on watching his daily rally pep rally at work. Slowly they are recognizing trump for what he is. Its taken them years, but they are finally realizing what we all know.
trump is his own worse enemy, his need for daily affirmations during his briefings will be his kryptonite.
MontanaMama
(23,219 posts)Been saying it for days. DO NOT WATCH. Starve the beast.
DenverJared
(457 posts)but incompetence is at the same level
evilhime
(326 posts)His tone may have changed but it is not because of the magnitude of the virus or the potential death toll or even his own incompetence, he is finally waking up to the fact that he could actually lose in November and potentially go to jail and that scares him more than anything!
barbtries
(28,689 posts)trump didn't have a come to jeezus moment that suddenly made him take it seriously. if anything he had a come to reality moment where he caught on that he will lose in November.
it won't save many people.
he's not normal. people don't act like him! i just wish the media would stop giving him a fucking pass on this.
3catwoman3
(23,748 posts)...their rapturous coverage of him riding down the escalator.
barbtries
(28,689 posts)that was the moment i knew he was not right in the head
uponit7771
(90,193 posts)NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)Plenty more professionals have weighed in since.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
He does not now, nor will he ever, exhibit even a hint of true empathy. He is not capable of it.
He does not now, nor will he ever, exhibit even a hint of true compassion. He is not capable of it.
Highly likely his "changed tone" is due to serious coaching sessions - acting lessons in combination with medications.
Why would he submit to these acting lessons when he wouldn't sit still for intel briefings? Election, election, election.
Narcissists are capable of caring for something only in relation to themselves. How does it affect them?
I was married to one. It doesn't change. At all. Ever. Don't be fooled by this abominable "reality" show.
Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)I am sure Chuck Todd will be praising Trumps leadership or both siding blame any day now.
Enoki33
(1,583 posts)only change he is capable of making is the method he uses to con his victims. That change is often dictated by circumstances - in this instance his plummeting poll numbers combined with craven ego. I will never contribute to feeding the beast by watching his shit show.
llashram
(6,263 posts)and very sad and revealing of the gullible nature of his maggats that people need to believe the biggest most dangerous fool in the world on this April Fool's Day
NoMoreRepugs
(9,216 posts)direct contact with a flimflam man.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Sorry for insulting slime molds.
You are exactly right. Really this is why I dont watch tv. I havent for years; its bad enough just reading what the tv media says.
As Allen Ginsberg said, Whoever controls the media, the images, controls the culture.
ancianita
(35,710 posts)LizBeth
(9,946 posts)arrogant and stupid.
proud patriot
(100,700 posts)2 days ago .. it has made my life much better
Gothmog
(143,652 posts)marble falls
(56,029 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)Are you?
marble falls
(56,029 posts)bullshit?
The media is who keeps calling the bluff on Trump, fact checking him, giving us the real facts that we get on what's going on. Where we all are getting any truth at all is from the media.
If you aren't using the media what are you using? If it weren't for media sources 80% of what appears here wouldn't get posted.
The only thing I question is a blanket accusation*. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.
*the exception: everything out of the White house is 90% bullshit.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)media's recent obsession with Trump's "change of tone". It cannot be fairly characterized as an attack on "the media" in general and no one else has.
No apology is necessary for "hurting my feelings". If I could not withstand snark I certainly would not be posting on a political discussion board.
marble falls
(56,029 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)marble falls
(56,029 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,368 posts)I can't stand to hear of see any on this fucking virus "team" either. LIARS! MURDERERS! The fucking moron is a sadist and his cult is a group of masochists. Perfect S& M relationship.
SleeplessinSoCal
(8,950 posts)And he is still the extortion king.
The press needs to stop all coverage of the gop death panel as someone here called it. They wont so we need to stop watching it live at least. If you watch any news it is hard to avoid snippets of it later.
thegoose
(3,115 posts)He's a psychopath. I mean, a real psychopath. If the entire world exploded into flames, he'd jack his mushroom until he burned up.
Lulu KC
(2,543 posts)blakstoneranger
(333 posts)All he cares about is spinning this epidemic to make him look good. He is only thinking of himself and his re election chances. When this is over, he is going to claim--IN THE MEDIA--that he conquered this 9/11 like disaster, then he'll pretend, along with foxnews and other republicans that the first two months never happened. Trump is addicted to media attention, that's why he never shuts up!!! I do hope no one in his family is sick though.
Hermit-The-Prog
(32,891 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)..At least MSNBC is mostly showing the Daily Trump Rally when the scientists are speaking..
struggle4progress
(117,949 posts)Cha
(295,526 posts)a "nice tone".
Wtf is Wrong with the US media?
Skittles
(152,918 posts)seriously, just TRY
pansypoo53219
(20,879 posts)shifting to avoiding the blame he deserves.
Lock him up.
(6,861 posts)These ever greedy CEOs know how to gaslight too... They want their piece of the big pizza.
LOCK HIM UP!