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turbinetree

(24,683 posts)
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:34 PM Apr 2020

The Social-Distancing Culture War Has Begun

Across the country, social distancing is morphing from a public-health to political act. The consequences could be disastrous.
McKay Coppins
March 30, 2020

For Geoff Frost, the first sign of the coronavirus culture war came last weekend on the golf course. His country club, located in an affluent suburb of Atlanta, had recently introduced a slew of new policies to encourage social distancing. The communal water jugs were gone, the restaurant was closed, and golfers had been asked to limit themselves to one person per cart. Frost, a 43-year-old Democrat, told me the club’s mix of younger liberals and older conservatives had always gotten along just fine—but the guidelines were proving divisive.

At the driving range, while Frost and his like-minded friends slathered on hand sanitizer and kept six feet apart, the white-haired Republicans seemed to delight in breaking the new rules. They made a show of shaking hands, and complained loudly about the “stupid hoax” being propagated by virus alarmists. When their tee times were up, they piled defiantly into golf carts, shoulder to shoulder, and sped off toward the first hole.

Frost felt conflicted. He wanted to encourage the men, some of whom he’d known for years, to be more careful. “I care about their well-being,” he told me. “But it’s a tough call, just personally, because it’s become a political thing.”


For a brief moment earlier this month, it seemed as if social distancing might be the one new part of American life that wasn’t polarized along party lines. Schools were closed in red states and blue; people across the political spectrum retreated into their home. Though President Donald Trump had played down the pandemic at first, he was starting to take the threat more seriously—and his media allies followed suit. Reminders to wash your hands and avoid crowds became commonplace on both Fox News and MSNBC. Those who chose to ignore this guidance—the spring-breakers clogging beaches, the revelers on Bourbon Street—appeared to do so for apolitical reasons. For the most part, it seemed, everyone was on the same page.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/social-distancing-culture/609019/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

-snip-

Katherine Vincent-Crowson, a 35-year-old self-defense instructor from Slidell, Louisiana, has watched in horror this month as businesses around her city were forced to close by state decree. A devotee of Ayn Rand, Vincent-Crowson told me Louisiana’s shelter-in-place order was a frightening example of government overreach.

“It feels very militaristic,” she said. “I’m just like, ‘What the hell, is this 1940s Germany?’”

But when we spoke, she seemed even more aggravated by the “self-righteous” people on social media who spend their time publicly shaming anyone who isn’t staying locked in their house. “It really reminds me of my kids who tattle on their siblings when they do something bad,” she said. “I’m a libertarian … I don’t really like being told what to do.”



Your a idiot.....................in my opinion.................

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The Social-Distancing Culture War Has Begun (Original Post) turbinetree Apr 2020 OP
This crisis customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #1
Yeah I know, if you so much as scratch your nose in public... Initech Apr 2020 #4
There's hoard shaming, too customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #9
Apparently the libertarian who doesn't like being told what to do MLAA Apr 2020 #2
First conservatroid who extends his hand expecting one in return Cirque du So-What Apr 2020 #3
Put on your red MAGA hats Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #5
It would be a shame if..... IcyPeas Apr 2020 #6
I'm reminded customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #10
That was a similar epidemic CountAllVotes Apr 2020 #14
Lazy attempt at an analogy Bradshaw3 Apr 2020 #15
As one of my high school teachers said customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #17
Gay people didn't ignore science and court HIV. Bad analogy. Squinch Apr 2020 #19
I guess I didn't mean it to be a true analogy customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #20
This doesn't strike me as wishing ill. It strikes me as doing what can be done to prevent Squinch Apr 2020 #23
The poster I replied to customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #25
He said it would be a shame if they got it. That's all. Squinch Apr 2020 #30
I detected snark customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #57
The entire world will be better off if millions like these scum just die off. Celerity Apr 2020 #24
This might end up being an instance of survival of the smartest. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #7
I really think they're mostly going to infect one another. BComplex Apr 2020 #8
But their servants (nannies, housekeepers, etc) get sick too KSNY Apr 2020 #37
Ouch. True that. BComplex Apr 2020 #43
unfortunately many of the people they're going to infect are those who have no choice in the matter renate Apr 2020 #44
It's going to hit home for everyone before this is over, I'm afraid. BComplex Apr 2020 #49
yep--when something affects THEM. That's the only thing that will sober them up renate Apr 2020 #51
Reminds me of an idiot la-trucker Apr 2020 #11
They were the kids who played with matches. Baked Potato Apr 2020 #12
Plus, unmentioned in the article, there are the megachurches taking pride in large gatherings muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #13
Religion poisons everything. AtheistCrusader Apr 2020 #34
They should be charged with public wnylib Apr 2020 #47
Go to their own coronavirus island and whoop it up Beringia Apr 2020 #16
It may well be a self correcting problem Chainfire Apr 2020 #18
They'll kill good innocent people in the process, and no one will ever be able to prove it to them. AtheistCrusader Apr 2020 #35
There's a reason conservatives have such a dim view of human nature Azathoth Apr 2020 #21
I have a dim view of human nature but don't cotton to conservative economics and politics misanthrope Apr 2020 #39
A pity that the documentaries, "Spanish Flu Pandemic1918", "Killer Flu ", and one on SARS niyad Apr 2020 #22
No mention of compulsory innoculations. empedocles Apr 2020 #26
This reminds me of my Uncle's Conservative friend - OhZone Apr 2020 #27
I feel bad that these idiots are going to die in large numbers before they learn greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #28
I feel bad that they are endangering wnylib Apr 2020 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author pnwest Apr 2020 #29
#CullTheHerd LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 2020 #31
If they would only infect each other... manhattan123 Apr 2020 #32
Agree. wnylib Apr 2020 #41
And who was the very first person to politicize it??? Oh right, that horses-ass with the bad PaulRevere08 Apr 2020 #33
Beware of the close talker. spike jones Apr 2020 #36
"I'm a libertarian ... I don't really like being told what to do." Trumpanzee, Libertarian or hadEnuf Apr 2020 #38
do libertarians think other people LIKE being told what to do? renate Apr 2020 #42
Self-centered idiots kcr Apr 2020 #50
Let god sort this out. denbot Apr 2020 #45
Does the Libertarian realize treestar Apr 2020 #46
While True... ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #54
This post needs 1000 recs Ferrets are Cool Apr 2020 #48
I'd love to have a cart by myself underpants Apr 2020 #52
Same As IL, Until.... ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #56
Republicans are lazy AF and proving it day after day, or their representation at least is? Brainfodder Apr 2020 #53
Most public behavior is political in some way. Caliman73 Apr 2020 #55
Libertarians are solipsistic parasites. radius777 Apr 2020 #58

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
1. This crisis
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:37 PM
Apr 2020

has brought it's share of shaming. That seems to be a universal human need, the nagging feeling that in order to prove myself right, I'm required to call out others as wrong.

Initech

(100,038 posts)
4. Yeah I know, if you so much as scratch your nose in public...
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:41 PM
Apr 2020

You get doxxed and called a murderer. I mean shit, people need to get a fucking grip right now.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
9. There's hoard shaming, too
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:46 PM
Apr 2020

How would anyone know if that person at Costco loading two packs of TP is not making the trip for a neighbor or family member who cannot get out to travel to a Costco?

MLAA

(17,250 posts)
2. Apparently the libertarian who doesn't like being told what to do
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:38 PM
Apr 2020

doesn’t mind being told to die early and take family and friends with her

Cirque du So-What

(25,908 posts)
3. First conservatroid who extends his hand expecting one in return
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:38 PM
Apr 2020

Is going to be left hanging. 'We're not doing that anymore' will be my standard reply. This goes for everyone.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,454 posts)
5. Put on your red MAGA hats
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:42 PM
Apr 2020

and by all means, band together. But wear those hats so we can see you coming and cross the street.

IcyPeas

(21,841 posts)
6. It would be a shame if.....
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:42 PM
Apr 2020

any of them got Covid-19, wouldn't it?

the white-haired Republicans seemed to delight in breaking the new rules. They made a show of shaking hands, and complained loudly about the “stupid hoax” being propagated by virus alarmists. When their tee times were up, they piled defiantly into golf carts, shoulder to shoulder, and sped off toward the first hole.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
10. I'm reminded
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:47 PM
Apr 2020

of the "they're getting what they deserve" attitude when it was believed that only gay people got HIV.

CountAllVotes

(20,866 posts)
14. That was a similar epidemic
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:54 PM
Apr 2020

When Rock died, that changed is *suddenly* some 7 years after it first appeared in 1978 ...

It too was allowed to spread and they knew ...



Bradshaw3

(7,486 posts)
15. Lazy attempt at an analogy
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:57 PM
Apr 2020

People don't choose to be gay. They do choose who to vote for and to gleefuly flaunt basic guidelines because they think it is funny, and they think are owning the libs.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
17. As one of my high school teachers said
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:02 PM
Apr 2020

Analogies limp.

It just seems like the culture is coarsening. Of course, I can blame the Trump administration for a lot of that, but we don't have to get down in the mud with them.

Certainly, I can see the stupidity of people's bad behaviors, but I don't wish any physical harm on them.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
20. I guess I didn't mean it to be a true analogy
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:32 PM
Apr 2020

Of course, it's apples and oranges, but the idea of wishing ill on other people who are different is the same,

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
23. This doesn't strike me as wishing ill. It strikes me as doing what can be done to prevent
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:36 PM
Apr 2020

disaster, and then when some asshole courts disaster despite all those efforts, and nothing can be done to stop them from courting disaster frivolously, accepting the fact that some of them are going to pay for it.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
57. I detected snark
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 10:50 PM
Apr 2020

Maybe you didn't. In any case, there are a lot of posts every time there is a too-well-attended church service or a spring break party where it is obvious that some here are wishing ill on someone else.

Joe Biden's gonna have to work his ass off to unite this country.

Celerity

(43,099 posts)
24. The entire world will be better off if millions like these scum just die off.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:38 PM
Apr 2020

They are human evolutionary culs-de-sac.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,587 posts)
7. This might end up being an instance of survival of the smartest.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:43 PM
Apr 2020

The idiot libertarians and Trumpers will be killed off by their own stupidity. I just hope they don't take their communities with them.

BComplex

(8,017 posts)
8. I really think they're mostly going to infect one another.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:45 PM
Apr 2020

I mean, most democrats are better informed anyway, and we are all taking precautions against the germs these people are spreading around to one another. As long as we keep our kids in the house, and don't let them out to play with republican's kids, I'm sorry for the folks on the other side, but hey - they're making their choices.

renate

(13,776 posts)
44. unfortunately many of the people they're going to infect are those who have no choice in the matter
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:23 PM
Apr 2020

... grocery store employees and letter carriers and the like, in addition to the health care professionals who know they are risking their own lives to save these absolute bottom-dwellers and still courageously go to work every day.

It INFURIATES me to think of these golf-course morons blithely flouting the guidelines, getting sick, getting treatment and exposing others, then getting better themselves while people they infected die. That has surely happened already. Innocent, brave people have paid the price for the "nobody's going to tell me what to do" asswipes. The people who have the least control over their own exposure are, proportionally, going to pay the highest price. It sickens me and every other person with a conscience.

If only what you said were true.

BComplex

(8,017 posts)
49. It's going to hit home for everyone before this is over, I'm afraid.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:28 PM
Apr 2020

They'll have a rude awakening when one of theirs dies.

renate

(13,776 posts)
51. yep--when something affects THEM. That's the only thing that will sober them up
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:31 PM
Apr 2020

I genuinely don't wish loss and grief on them, but their deliberate ignorance is going to have to come at a cost since they didn't choose to learn anything for free. I just hope the cost to innocent others can be kept to a minimum... but it won't be.

 

la-trucker

(283 posts)
11. Reminds me of an idiot
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:51 PM
Apr 2020

who handled a rattlesnake saying "I don't think it is that poisonous and I don't think it will bite me."

Darwin was laughing.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
13. Plus, unmentioned in the article, there are the megachurches taking pride in large gatherings
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 03:52 PM
Apr 2020

well after the advice against it was clear. It's already notable that major outbreaks in France and South Korea were linked to huge church meetings - but they had the excuse it was so early, they didn't know it was already significantly spread beyond China. No such excuse now.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
34. Religion poisons everything.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 05:49 PM
Apr 2020

Hitchens wasn't right about everything by any means, but boy was he sure right about that.

wnylib

(21,338 posts)
47. They should be charged with public
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:26 PM
Apr 2020

endagernent. I'm sure there are other applicable charges.

Impose huge fines for violating group gathering rules. Ridiculous to give them a pass.

Chainfire

(17,467 posts)
18. It may well be a self correcting problem
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:16 PM
Apr 2020

The bad part is they are liable to take good people out with them.

Fighting for breath in the last hours of you life would be a good time to review past stupid behavior.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
21. There's a reason conservatives have such a dim view of human nature
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:32 PM
Apr 2020

why they are obsessed with the need for force without compassion or coddling. It's because, deep down, they know *they* are the ones who would break the laws and take advantage of things if there wasn't something preventing them from doing so.

It's an entire worldview built on psychological projection, and we're seeing it play out in realtime as they flout recommended-but-unenforced social distancing.

misanthrope

(7,408 posts)
39. I have a dim view of human nature but don't cotton to conservative economics and politics
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:06 PM
Apr 2020

"Scratch a cynic and you'll find a disappointed idealist." -George Carlin

Why am I admittedly cynical? Because I think most people are a mixed bag capable of being far "better" than they are but, sadly, so many just don't try that hard. If we lived in a culture that truly valued empathy, intellect and community instead of materialism and selfishness, it would be a far better place. I live in a very conservative place and what it says about humanity's future is bleak.

niyad

(113,055 posts)
22. A pity that the documentaries, "Spanish Flu Pandemic1918", "Killer Flu ", and one on SARS
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:33 PM
Apr 2020

Are not required viewing before these morons open their mouths. But that would require that their brains be open.

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
27. This reminds me of my Uncle's Conservative friend -
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:49 PM
Apr 2020

He is only good to like three people.

He's like a sociopath to everyone else.

I've come to the conclusion that's how a lot of Cons think. Tribalistic sociopathy.

I'm glad he went to visit one of the relatives he treats Oh-k down south and is kind of stuck there. Long story.

Last I heard he thought the virus was just a cold.

wnylib

(21,338 posts)
40. I feel bad that they are endangering
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:06 PM
Apr 2020

the lives of others. When they fill hospitals so that it becomes necessary to ration beds, ventilators, and meds, they will not just be foolish. They will be murderers.

Response to turbinetree (Original post)

31. #CullTheHerd
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 05:21 PM
Apr 2020

From Stephen Colbert's bit, "Big Questions for Even Bigger Stars," with Jennifer Lawrence:

Stephen: "Jennifer, what do you think happens after you die?"

Jennifer: "I think they give your hospital bed to someone else."

#DarkHumor

manhattan123

(302 posts)
32. If they would only infect each other...
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 05:41 PM
Apr 2020

I wouldn't give a shit. Unfortunately, they walk among normal people too.

PaulRevere08

(449 posts)
33. And who was the very first person to politicize it??? Oh right, that horses-ass with the bad
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 05:44 PM
Apr 2020

combover who is fouling up the WH.

hadEnuf

(2,175 posts)
38. "I'm a libertarian ... I don't really like being told what to do." Trumpanzee, Libertarian or
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:06 PM
Apr 2020

regular Right Wing GOP scum, it's always all about them. They could give a shit about the next person, even to the point where they are endangering themselves and their own family.

You are correct. They are idiots. And they are such selfish little assholes to boot.

renate

(13,776 posts)
42. do libertarians think other people LIKE being told what to do?
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:15 PM
Apr 2020

I assume there's something going on with their brain chemistries or maybe their childhoods that make it especially difficult for them to accept sound advice. But why do they think that gives them the right to put their "I gotta be me" attitude above other people's health?

kcr

(15,314 posts)
50. Self-centered idiots
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:30 PM
Apr 2020

They should be reminded they're not allowed to jump off a bridge, then pointed in the direction of the nearest one.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
46. Does the Libertarian realize
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:24 PM
Apr 2020

that they "want" to stay home so as not to get the disease? Even Ayn Rand would say your self-interest was to isolate.

Which is why the free market and libertarianism and Ayn Randism doesn't work. In theory everyone does what is in their best interests. But many people are just unable to figure out their self interest - making money is the only thing they can think of - like isn't it in your self interest not to get a communicable disease if you don't have to?

underpants

(182,603 posts)
52. I'd love to have a cart by myself
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:45 PM
Apr 2020

I play by myself whenever I can. I can get in 9 holes playing two balls or best ball in no time.

I checked last week and courses are still open. Gov. Northam was asked about it a few days ago and he said that they could stay open with a lot of the restrictions in this article. Common sense.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
56. Same As IL, Until....
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 08:03 PM
Apr 2020

...a few Chicago Forrest Preserve courses, 4 in DuPage and in Lake counties were reported for doubling up in carts, letting people come in clubhouse, etc.
According to what I read, the only rule they followed was sanitizing to surface of the carts.
So, Pritzker rescinded the exemption. Now they're all closed. When he announced it, he basically did the "ruined it for everyone else" thing.
There are a bunch of course operators who are pissed because they were doing the right things.
Per some FB stuff I got emailed to me, they're not pissed at the governor. I'm sure some are, but those I read have them upset with the people who messed this up!

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
53. Republicans are lazy AF and proving it day after day, or their representation at least is?
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:51 PM
Apr 2020

Dear Leader said once that he wouldn't have time for golfing!



I'll avoid any Republicans once they show their cards and their deck is minus a few?

Caliman73

(11,725 posts)
55. Most public behavior is political in some way.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 07:25 PM
Apr 2020

People like to believe that things are "apolitical" but public behavior is typically informed by a person's values which are informed by religion, family upbrining, social norms, and political ideology. I am not saying that you behave as a Democratic Party member or Republican or even conservative/liberal however, that we are liberals or conservatives certainly has an effect on how we act especially when it comes to things like public health.

Of course social distancing is political. The government and health authorities are suggesting and sometimes directing us on how to behave. We might think that it is "just a health decision" but it isn't and we need to understand that the recommendations are based on balancing safety and civil liberties. That is political.

That said, libertarians seem to be a special breed of stupid. They don't like being told what to do? Society is "being told what to do".

radius777

(3,635 posts)
58. Libertarians are solipsistic parasites.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 11:14 PM
Apr 2020

If she gets sick hope this 'rugged individual' doesn't call upon 'society' to save her...

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