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Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:43 AM

Is it just me, or are others disturbed reading posts mocking people who died from COVID-19

Iíve seen many posts on a different (progressive) site where they will cite a story about Trump supporters doing something stupid and ending up dying from coronavirus. The comments are brutal, mocking, and almost celebratory. To me they sound like comments Trump supporters would make. If it were just one or two stories thatís one thing, but Iíve seen several now and these types of mocking comments are the rule, not the exception.

One example was the couple in AZ who took fish tank chloroquine and the husband died. I heard an interview of the wife and it was absolutely heart breaking. It was clear this couple was TERRIFIED and wouldnít venture out of their home (so they werenít putting anyone else at risk). They believed Trump and were desperate to protect themselves. After her husbandís death the woman was filled with grief and pleaded with people not to believe what Trump or anyone but the doctorís said. It broke my heart. Yet the overwhelming response from this particular popular liberal site was to laugh and mock about how stupid they were and thatís what they get for believing Trump. To talk about Darwin awards.

I donít get it. Canít we at least be human?

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Reply Is it just me, or are others disturbed reading posts mocking people who died from COVID-19 (Original post)
crimycarny Apr 2020 OP
Archae Apr 2020 #1
crimycarny Apr 2020 #38
BigDemVoter Apr 2020 #2
Skittles Apr 2020 #3
crimycarny Apr 2020 #39
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Kali Apr 2020 #51
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world wide wally Apr 2020 #4
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Squinch Apr 2020 #6
rainin Apr 2020 #13
Kaleva Apr 2020 #7
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crimycarny Apr 2020 #41
Kaleva Apr 2020 #48
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MissMillie Apr 2020 #8
Tipperary Apr 2020 #10
Squinch Apr 2020 #14
MissMillie Apr 2020 #16
Squinch Apr 2020 #18
MissMillie Apr 2020 #22
Squinch Apr 2020 #30
MissMillie Apr 2020 #31
Squinch Apr 2020 #33
Tipperary Apr 2020 #34
crimycarny Apr 2020 #44
Turin_C3PO Apr 2020 #19
Coventina Apr 2020 #27
cwydro Apr 2020 #21
Squinch Apr 2020 #29
cwydro Apr 2020 #32
crimycarny Apr 2020 #45
crimycarny Apr 2020 #42
Blues Heron Apr 2020 #9
Skittles Apr 2020 #54
eilen Apr 2020 #11
crickets Apr 2020 #23
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crimycarny Apr 2020 #46
tenderfoot Apr 2020 #20
SKKY Apr 2020 #24
malaise Apr 2020 #25
OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2020 #26
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SharonClark Apr 2020 #28
crimycarny Apr 2020 #37
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Hekate Apr 2020 #40
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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:45 AM

1. According to "Free Republic," the woman is a domestic abuser, and they both are democrats.

This is based on a far-right newsletter, naturally.

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Response to Archae (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 03:42 PM

38. She mentioned listening to Trump in the interview

But that doesn't mean she is a Trump supporter I guess. I was just struck by the description of how they were hunkered down in their house, terrified to leave.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:48 AM

2. As a healthcare worker, I wouldn't "celebrate" someone' s death.

But I can certainly point to the irony of it. . . And to be 100% honest, I think it is much more apt for a Pussy-Grabber supporter to die of this than someone else. After all, this is, in large part, caused by Pussy-Grabber's incompetence, and who put him there? Who said this was a hoax? Who refused to listen? Who helped to spread it? Who swallowed his easily debunked lies?

Again, I'm not saying they "deserve' it, nor am I celebrating it. I am just pointing out that there IS a certain justice to it after all.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:53 AM

3. well

no one advised that couple take aquarium cleaner....do you have another example? or this THE sample that proves all liberals are evil?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 03:43 PM

39. Where in my post did I saw "all liberals are evil"

Spare me.

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Response to crimycarny (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 04:57 PM

50. I AM sparing you

believe me

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Response to Skittles (Reply #50)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 04:59 PM

51. !

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Response to Kali (Reply #51)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 04:59 PM

52. whassup Kali?

stay safe!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #52)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 05:04 PM

55. just hanging pretty much as usual around here

ranch life is kind of inherently unsafe, but I do my best

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 01:13 AM

4. Personally,I haven't seen any of that after the fact,,,

Just about the stupidity of them while they are doing it.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 01:21 AM

5. I think mocking death and illness at this time is counter productive.

Actually, at any time. Yes, some people like those are participating in the Coronavirus Challenge, are particularly dumb, but nobody deserves this. It's definitely a sick behavior and I will not abide by it.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 05:26 AM

6. People ARE being human. Most have not seen the interview you refer to

and are not reacting personally to those two sad people.

They are reacting to the general republican who brought about the deadly, traumatic circumstance we find ourselves in.

Many republicans are very deliberately and proudly ignoring warnings and putting us all at greater risk. We suspect they know they are doing this. We suspect they even know they are putting themselves at risk but they find it satisfying because it is a way to "own the liberals."

And they are doing all this in the service of a man who is obviously an emotionally stunted imbecile.

It IS human nature to watch with interest as the inevitable comes to pass and these people reap the fruits of their actions.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:15 AM

13. And they are gleeful when bad things happen to us.

We merely mention that THIS time, they are going to be forced to see the error of their ways.

I'm willing to take it a step further to admit that I've always wished that republican policies would only hurt republicans. I didn't vote for this guy nor support any of the republican policies. Why should my family suffer so.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 05:36 AM

7. It's okay to name the particular popular liberal site you refer to.

You can even provide links to the comments.

I haven't seen such as the only other progressive site I've go to is Daily Kos and i haven't been there in many, many months.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:25 AM

15. Don't hold your breath for those links.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 03:50 PM

41. It was DKOS

But I don't feel comfortable providing links (anyone can go out there and find these posts as their are quite a few). I don't know the motivations behind those posting snarky comments. Maybe they had someone close to them get sick, maybe they are just scared themselves...I don't know and that's what I'm trying to understand.

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Response to crimycarny (Reply #41)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 04:30 PM

48. Just because one identifies as a progressive or liberal doesn't mean they are one.

Dkos could well have a number of members who are fakes. Some know they are fakes and others truly believe they are liberals even though their actions and words say otherwise.

MIRT does a good job of getting rid of the fakes here.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 04:38 PM

49. Very true

I know that was a real issue during 2016.

There are also those who just like trolling no matter what the subject.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 07:22 AM

8. dancing a jig on a grave is unconscionable

I don't care whose grave it is or what they died from. And I do mean that without exception.

That's not the kind of person I want to be.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 07:39 AM

10. This.

 

Absolutely.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:22 AM

14. Do show us who has danced a jig on anyone's grave.

Republicans are about to reap the fruits of their actions. We're seeing it happen and knowing that is what we're seeing.

That's all.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:09 AM

16. I've seen it.

Some posts about the churches that remain open and people essentially saying, "that'll teach 'em."

Posts to the effect of "good riddance" when a GOPer passes away.

Post hwere people were decidedly gleeful that Rush Limbaugh has cancer.

And no, I'm not going to hunt all of them down, but I have seen it. 95% of the time I keep my mouth shut when I see stuff like that. IMO it's bad behavior. It's exactly the opposite of "when they go low, we go high."



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Response to MissMillie (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:11 AM

18. Well, hopefully it will teach them. Because nothing else has.

And yep. I'm not a bit sorry that Rush Limbaugh, a man who has caused untold grief and chaos for decades, is dying.

Sue me.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:27 AM

22. Not litigious

But I'll say this... IMO (you notice that I've used that a few times, right?)

The only thing worse than bad behavior is trying to justify bad behavior.

People like Rush Limbaugh do that.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:52 PM

30. I hope youre not saying I'm trying to justify anything to you. Because if that is

what you think I am doing, you are wildly mistaken.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 01:12 PM

31. "sue me"

Jeez....


Look.... I think bad behavior is bad behavior no matter who does it. That's it. I'm allowed to think that and I'm allowed to say that I think that. You want to disagree--fine. Pick your fight somewhere else.

No kidding... this is ridiculous. First you try to pretend like the bad behavior doesn't happen here, and then you've got excuses for it. I think you'll find people of all political stripes everywhere have all kinds of excuses for all kinds of bad behavior.

And no, I know darn well that you don't have to justify anything to me. I didn't ask you to. You keep offering up justifications. I don't think it's me you're trying to convince, because by now I think you know I'm not buying it.

Honestly... You're picking a fight with me because I said that I don't want to be a person that behaves like that? Really? When Michelle Obama said "when they go low, we go high,..." ...that's a statement you'd hold her to task for? Essentially that's all I was trying to say. It's incredulous that you're trying to make more an issue out of it.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 02:01 PM

33. Oh for fuck's sake. Ignore.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 03:11 PM

34. Well said.

 

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 04:11 PM

44. Agree

The sort of reaction you just got is similar to what I got when I tried to object on a DKOS thread that mocking those who died after going to a small church service. One was a 72 year old man. I know nothing about this man's life so why in the world would I find some sort of satisfaction in his death.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:12 AM

19. People like Rush Limbaugh

will receive no sympathy from me. He has caused great harm and Iíll be glad when heís gone.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:12 PM

27. I will never be apologetic about wishing harm on Rush Limbaugh.

My wishes are useless, they do not actively harm him, so who cares?

But yeah, I wish every horrible thing in the world to happen to him, and I'm not sorry and never will be.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:15 AM

21. Oh come now.

Surely youíve have been here long enough to see some of DUís ďgrave dancing threads?Ē

If you havenít seen them, consider yourself lucky. Iím not commenting on them either way, but they are a real thing here.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:50 PM

29. DUs grave dancing threads are about banished posters. Not pandemic casualties.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 01:16 PM

32. No, those aren't the ones I'm talking about.

Gerald Ford, Nancy Reagan, Ronald Reagan, Bush 1 and his wife are a few grave-dancing threads I remember. There will be a huge dance party here when Limbaugh and Cheney throw off their mortal coils. I wonít be sorry to see them go, but I wonít grave dance.

There have been, and are currently, threads about pandemic victims who are Republican, evangelical, spring breakers - some dead, some just sick at this point. Not to mention those wishing for deaths of the tangeranusí supporters.

Again, not judging anyone for it - itís just something I want no part of it. Itís been going on as long as Iíve been a member, and thatís a long damn time.

I actually canít remember very many grave dancing threads about banned DUers, but I forget a lot that I read here. That lady who sang about tacos or something - I remember a thread about her. Canít remember her name. And of course - WP. Iíve seen several about him, but I never noticed him much during his tenure here.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 04:16 PM

45. I haven't seen as many on DU and DKOS

But I'm sure they are here, I just haven't seen many which is why I posted my thread here and not DKOS. When I objected to a dancing grave posted DKOS I was thoroughly lambasted. I've noticed that I don't go to DKOS as much as I used to, this started about a year ago. Maybe posts like that are why. DKOS seems to have gotten a bit more tribalistic.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 03:53 PM

42. Me either

It's a very Trump supporter-ish type of response I'm seeing, but from the left. Not everyone, not by any means, but enough.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 07:36 AM

9. cool story bro

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 05:00 PM

54. you know it, Blues Heron

yes indeed

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 08:30 AM

11. I have not seen or know the site you refer to

However, I agree, it is not a good thing to revel in someone's death. I know I am guilty of it to a certain extent (Scalia, pending death of Limbaugh) by believing they met some karmic rewards however, many innocent people are dying of this and many get sick and die of other diseases without "earning" it. It is heartbreaking to read of adult children unknowingly passing it to their parents and unable to be with them at their bedside when they are dying, unable to give them comfort, to say good bye. I don't care what political stripe they favor. But to live the rest of your life knowing you passed the virus to someone you love and are the author or their demise, that is tragic. Also, the healthcare workers who die from this-- no one can claim it is a karmic reward.

I agree, it is unseemly and does not reflect well. Anyone can get this. The virus believes in us.

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Response to eilen (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:49 AM

23. Well said. nt

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 08:34 AM

12. Whataboutism. Is that what this post is about?

That shit is not going to get very far here.

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Response to scrabblequeen40 (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:09 AM

17. Correct.

NT

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Response to scrabblequeen40 (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 04:19 PM

46. No

But if that's how you choose to see it there's not much discussion we can have. It's not an "us" versus "them" thing to me. It's simply a behavior that bothered me and I wondered if it bothered others.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:15 AM

20. Yes, discussionist and CC are pretty vile in that regard.

eom

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:51 AM

24. I concur. Schadenfreude is never a good look...

...for anyone. For anything. At any time.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:52 AM

25. All my disgust is directed at Don the Murderous Con

and the entire ReTHUG party

That is all

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:07 PM

26. The few replies to the RW con-pastors that are harsh, are usually challenged here.

Their actions may well put those of us who are self-isolating in mortal danger. But I think the consensus of DU posters is more like resignation that there is a significant population of people who are risking their own lives so they can "own" the libtards.

Seriously, check out FR or similar sites that traffic in Trumpism idolatry. They revel in blaming all of this on Democrats. They are all in with Trump and his fake news.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 04:30 PM

47. Yes--I have first hand experience with that

One of my very dear friends is a rabid Trump supporter and I cannot understand it. She is truly one of the kindest people I know. We almost never talk politics because we are polar opposites. But she would honestly do anything for me (and has), and vice-versa.

We had a rare discussion about politics a couple of days ago. Her daughter just graduated from Nursing school and is working at a NICU in SF. I was asking her how her daughter was dealing with the pressure and that sort of led into a discussions about the lack of PPE available to medical workers. I thought for sure she would have changed her opinion about Trump based on what her daughter must be going through. But, nope, she brought up what Trump said about the alleged masks "disappearing" from New York hospitals. I couldn't believe it. I asked her how she could condone what Trump said since he was basically suggesting medical personnel were somehow responsible. She said that's not what he meant and then switched over to right wing talking points about Cuomo.

It's easy to dismiss anonymous Trumpists as dumb, racist, etc. But my friend is none of those things. She truly isn't. I've known her for over 20 years. So that is why I don't take pleasure in anyone's death regardless of their political leanings. Human's are a lot more complicated than that.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:42 PM

28. Did you share your concern on the sites where you're reading that?

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 03:36 PM

37. Yes I did

And I was lambasted for it.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 03:17 PM

35. I don't know about anyone else, but I for one take no joy from seeing anyone sickened or kiled

by this virus regardless of their political leanings. I don't want to see suffering or death on the part of any human being.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 03:18 PM

36. Haven't seen any

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 03:44 PM

40. We can't do anything about a site we have nothing to do with, but at DU you can alert abuse...

In both cases you can respond by objecting to bad behavior. You know this.

I have no idea which "other progressive site" you are referring to.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 03:57 PM

43. I did respond

And was lambasted for it. I guess my post is not so much to get anyone banned, it's more to understand why this reaction is as common as it is.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 04:59 PM

53. It's very poor taste to mock anybody sick or dying of this

It's tempting sometimes I'm sure when we see people making utterly bizarre and stupid decisions, but nobody deserves to suffer or die from this.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 05:11 PM

56. To some extent, I get your point

The death you cite was not due to progressives, it was due to misinformation deliberately spread by Trump and his sycophants. That is more important than any reaction to the death. It's even possible that some of those mocking the death believe that pointing out the error of trusting Trump and conservative media will prevent more deaths like that one.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 05:14 PM

57. I'm of 2 minds. There are true victims who just cannot fathom that

Their president would lie to them and hopped on ships or went to rallies, etc. Some of them actually thought they were helping the economy and being good citizens. Some of them actually thought we were overreacting because their sole news source told them that we were. However, there were some screaming at us that it was all a hoax while moving their money out of the stock market. Those people who knew people would die in substantial numbers and encouraged us to go out in large groups can all drop dead. No different from Osama bin laden in my book. I will definitely dance on their graves.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 05:31 PM

58. There's one in every crowd.

In some crowds there are more.

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Response to crimycarny (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 06:12 PM

60. I haven't heard anyone dissing any one who died.

But being scared is what caused them to die. Taking some stupid word about cures.

Call a doctor. Go to webMD

Lots of places to look before taking a cure you know nothing about.

Dumb is dumb. Coach it anyway you want.
Uninformed is uninformed.

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