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Chris Kemmitt@ChrisKemmitt: Qualified immunity strikes again: the 6th Circuit ruled that police (Original Post) BeckyDem Apr 2020 OP
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Apr 2020 #1
K&R! SheltieLover Apr 2020 #2
They Came On His Property... ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #3
Sounds Like A Cop and Some Judges Need An Attitude Adjustment, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #4
Unnerving but not surprising samsingh Apr 2020 #5
also a nod barbtries Apr 2020 #6
FTP. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #7
Love to read the decision here, the cops had no "reasonable suspicion" after Howse said he lived uponit7771 Apr 2020 #8
I'll try and find it for you. BeckyDem Apr 2020 #9
Thx, I found a link (inside) but I don't see how they didn't come down on Howse side uponit7771 Apr 2020 #10
Oh good. A strained effort I am sure brought that ruling. grrrrr BeckyDem Apr 2020 #11
I don't know if that's the right ruling though, is it? uponit7771 Apr 2020 #12
Not sure which link you are reading from but this should be it? BeckyDem Apr 2020 #13
Their bullshit ruling swings on Howe's admitting (which I doubt he technically did) he stiffened up uponit7771 Apr 2020 #14
+1 Also, reading it through, the deference to police experience as a means to trust his BeckyDem Apr 2020 #15
Shit ... that's more room for a cop to say in my experience because the way the black guy was ... uponit7771 Apr 2020 #18
Exactly. Btw, they filed yesterday. BeckyDem Apr 2020 #19
Do you work for NAACP? If so nice !!! Thx for this info. My niece was going to go into ... uponit7771 Apr 2020 #20
No, I don't but I do follow pretty closely what they do. BeckyDem Apr 2020 #21
👍 uponit7771 Apr 2020 #22
Back at ya. BeckyDem Apr 2020 #23
one of the biggest reasons to flip the White House and Senate NewJeffCT Apr 2020 #16
Yes! BeckyDem Apr 2020 #17

ProfessorGAC

(65,000 posts)
3. They Came On His Property...
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 08:48 AM
Apr 2020

...punched him, arrested him, and it's his fault?
Stacking the court with Federalist approved judges gets us this.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
4. Sounds Like A Cop and Some Judges Need An Attitude Adjustment, Sir
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 08:55 AM
Apr 2020

There will be a reckoning for this sort of thing....

samsingh

(17,595 posts)
5. Unnerving but not surprising
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 08:57 AM
Apr 2020

There should be outrage anytime this happens at a national level.

This is not acceptable.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
8. Love to read the decision here, the cops had no "reasonable suspicion" after Howse said he lived
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:03 AM
Apr 2020

... there

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
14. Their bullshit ruling swings on Howe's admitting (which I doubt he technically did) he stiffened up
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:56 AM
Apr 2020

... his body and screamed at the top of his lungs to claim there was probable cause for arrest due to obstruction of justice.

That's asinine

Here, Howse himself admitted that he tried to make it more difficult for the officers to arrest him by stiffening up his body and screaming at the top of his lungs.


This is their bases for obstruction of justice but I never read in the ruling that there was a reasonable suspicion to begin with other than "qualified immunity" and I don't know what this means

Fourth Amendment—Excessive Force. Howse first argues that Hodous and Middaugh violated the Fourth Amendment when they stopped him without reasonable suspicion and used excessive force during his arrest. In response, the officers ask for qualified immunity.

Qualified immunity shields law enforcement officers from civil liability unless the officers (1) violated a statutory or constitutional right and (2) the unlawfulness of their conduct was clearly established at the time. District of Columbia v. Wesby, 138 S. Ct. 577, 589 (2018). Howse must show that both prongs are met here. Maben v. Thelen, 887 F.3d 252, 269 (6th Cir.
2018)

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
15. +1 Also, reading it through, the deference to police experience as a means to trust his
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:01 PM
Apr 2020

assessment of the situation is bullshit. I was like what??? Why should that be a given? Experience means he has been a cop for a long time, that's it.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
18. Shit ... that's more room for a cop to say in my experience because the way the black guy was ...
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:08 PM
Apr 2020

... dressed that he shouldn't be driving that car or some shit.

They can give multiple "experience" accounts to justify reasonable suspicion that involve all kinds of shit innate to humans.

Damn ..

These judges are overtly over privileged people.

Is there room for this ruling to be appealed?

thx in advance

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
19. Exactly. Btw, they filed yesterday.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:22 PM
Apr 2020

Our en banc petition urges the Court to reconsider their decision. Qualified immunity removes accountability from police and far too often allows officers to disregard standards set in place to protect people’s basic rights.

Read the petition here.

https://www.naacpldf.org/press-release/ldf-files-en-banc-petition-in-case-challenging-qualified-immunity/

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
20. Do you work for NAACP? If so nice !!! Thx for this info. My niece was going to go into ...
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:27 PM
Apr 2020

... criminal justice as a PD but I don't think she could take the injustices.

I know I couldn't, the CJ in this country drives me nuts

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
21. No, I don't but I do follow pretty closely what they do.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:30 PM
Apr 2020

Without them people of color are screwed. But I agree with your niece, you need a strong stomach to see the injustice up close.

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