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Please, do not wear masks. Health workers need them more that us. (Original Post) question everything Apr 2020 OP
I made my own over the weekend -- It's not PPE, but it's not nothing, either. htuttle Apr 2020 #1
And another thing -- HOW WOULD ANYONE KNOW THEY ARE INFECTED IF THEY ARE ASYMPTOMATIC??? htuttle Apr 2020 #9
Great. Just don't use the ones needed by healthcare workers question everything Apr 2020 #33
A simple mask will stop the transmission of something you touched that has covid to your mitch96 Apr 2020 #45
I have a handsewn mask janterry Apr 2020 #2
Where are we going to buy those magical N95s even if we wanted to? LisaL Apr 2020 #24
I honestly think they are treating us like idiots janterry Apr 2020 #30
We all need to be wearing fucking masks Blecht Apr 2020 #3
+++ still_one Apr 2020 #13
Don't forget vacuum cleaner bags (unused--did I need to say that?) Their rating is 85. catrose Apr 2020 #28
Many vacuum cleaners have HEPA filters sir pball Apr 2020 #34
How to make a face mask from a HEPA vac bag jmbar2 Apr 2020 #35
Terrific! catrose Apr 2020 #42
I never thought having a bagless vacuum would be a disadvantage Clash City Rocker Apr 2020 #52
I was just cutting out a rectangle and shoving in my cloth mask catrose Apr 2020 #41
You need a better seal for that to be effective sir pball Apr 2020 #43
The HEPA vacuum cleaner bags are better at blocking particles than the N95. mitch96 Apr 2020 #47
Very irresponsible and uninformed op. Dream Girl Apr 2020 #4
My family is wearing masks that I'm making when we absolutely have to go out. kickitup Apr 2020 #5
Yes, cover your face, but not with surgical masks question everything Apr 2020 #7
Where are you going to get surgical masks right now anyway? LisaL Apr 2020 #21
I wear the surgical mask the nurse put on me when Ilsa Apr 2020 #50
I have a few on hand shanti Apr 2020 #54
I just purchased a couple hundred of these for the company. zackymilly Apr 2020 #6
How do you see through them if you pull them to cover mouth and nose? LisaL Apr 2020 #22
ROFL greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #36
I lol'd too. n/t zackymilly Apr 2020 #38
Guess it wasn't clear. They don't stay on the hard hat when they are over your mouth and nose. zackymilly Apr 2020 #37
Why Should We Pay The Price For Gov't Incompetence? sfstaxprep Apr 2020 #8
My question as well. LisaL Apr 2020 #20
HEPA filters are still in stores, used for vacuum cleaners, etc., wear under a scarf. Alex4Martinez Apr 2020 #10
we should all be wearing masks NewJeffCT Apr 2020 #11
+++ still_one Apr 2020 #14
I'm having second thoughts about that now. If you're asymptomatic, then surely you aren't coughing ? OnDoutside Apr 2020 #40
New research shows it can be spread by simply talking or even just breathing. LisaL Apr 2020 #44
I heard you should stand back 12 feet if the person is singing or yelling. Mosby Apr 2020 #55
A number of studies show that wearing a mask is effective. Kaleva Apr 2020 #12
Thank you for this post. cayugafalls Apr 2020 #29
A mask is just one tool in the toolbox Kaleva Apr 2020 #46
Stop with disinformation, please. LisaL Apr 2020 #15
I will listen to Dr. Kavita Patel, thank you. question everything Apr 2020 #59
I'm a nurse and don't begrudge anyone a mask. Lunabell Apr 2020 #16
In fact, if people on the street wear mask, which will limit the spread of infection, ultimately it LisaL Apr 2020 #17
We need the White House to get their heads out of their asses NewJeffCT Apr 2020 #23
I wear mine everytime I go out.. stillcool Apr 2020 #18
Hell, I sewed 3 the other night. liberalmuse Apr 2020 #19
We have 2 n95 masks from when I worked on my car. cayugafalls Apr 2020 #25
Bad information. Masks do protect (though they improve your odds, rather than being virus-proof). backscatter712 Apr 2020 #26
Exactly... Governor's need to put in place mandatory JCMach1 Apr 2020 #48
I have 4 masks that our clinic gave me in January. Turbineguy Apr 2020 #27
My son, who is in the drywall business Butterflylady Apr 2020 #31
I have a mask given to me in February. Don't know type... northoftheborder Apr 2020 #32
I've already donated most of mine, but I will wear a mask Mersky Apr 2020 #39
I'm making a mask and wearing it Raine Apr 2020 #49
I bought a box of 50 masks on Amazon. Took 3 weeks to get here from China. milestogo Apr 2020 #51
Totally unnecessary for you to say sobenji Apr 2020 #53
Wear em if ya got em! MenloParque Apr 2020 #56
Delete this uninformed post kcr Apr 2020 #57
I will take my directions from Doctor Kavita Patel, thank you. question everything Apr 2020 #58
Well, I am certainly not going to take an advice from you. LisaL Apr 2020 #60
Dr Kavita Patel says we shouldn't wear masks? (Edited) kcr Apr 2020 #61

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
1. I made my own over the weekend -- It's not PPE, but it's not nothing, either.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:57 AM
Apr 2020

...and I'm a terrible sewist. I made it large enough to cover my beard as well, which an N95 would not do.

It's easy, and if you make it out of cloth, you can wash it in soapy water and reuse it.

I also wouldn't assume it does 'nothing' for the wearer. Every droplet it does catch is one less on your face. I mist mine with isopropyl before I take it off once I get home to minimize the risk of transferring it from the outside of the mask.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
9. And another thing -- HOW WOULD ANYONE KNOW THEY ARE INFECTED IF THEY ARE ASYMPTOMATIC???
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:04 PM
Apr 2020

Best to assume that everyone has it right now, and proceed accordingly. That way, you protect both yourself and others.

mitch96

(13,883 posts)
45. A simple mask will stop the transmission of something you touched that has covid to your
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 02:07 PM
Apr 2020

mouth face or eyes. That is the route of transmission. You get the virus if someone coughs in your face or you touch your infected hands to your mouth nose or eyes. A simple paper towel or vacuum cleaner mask and glasses will stop the transmission to YOU. Hopefully you don't wind up in the ER/ICU infected.. Better yet self contain and only go out to shop for food, exercise walk or walk the dog. You will decrease the %age of you getting infected by others... YMMV
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janterry

(4,429 posts)
2. I have a handsewn mask
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:58 AM
Apr 2020

I purchased it from etsy.

My daughter (much to my surprise) has painters masks upstairs. Five? They are old and she has used them before.

No one is suggesting that we go out and buy N95's We know that. Really.

But I'm going to wear mine. If I had any kind of supply, I'd donate them.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
30. I honestly think they are treating us like idiots
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:43 PM
Apr 2020

I hope that eventually going to have a surplus. Those that have retooled themselves to make these - will have a market (after medical staff - then us).



Blecht

(3,803 posts)
3. We all need to be wearing fucking masks
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:01 PM
Apr 2020

It is not an either/or proposition. You don't have to be competing with health care workers.

If you can sew, you can make your own.

The materials might be in your house already -- they were in ours. Hydrophobic polypropylene mesh from bed skirts, cotton from t-shirts, replaceable filters made from coffee filters. Straps from elastic material found in other clothing.


sir pball

(4,741 posts)
34. Many vacuum cleaners have HEPA filters
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:54 PM
Apr 2020

99.97% 0.3 ?m efficiency, equivalent to N100. Not sure how easily you could improvise a mask from one, but it might be worth looking into.

sir pball

(4,741 posts)
43. You need a better seal for that to be effective
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 01:36 PM
Apr 2020

Sibling post has something that looks pretty good, though an exhaust valve would be ideal to prevent CO2 buildup. Cheers!

mitch96

(13,883 posts)
47. The HEPA vacuum cleaner bags are better at blocking particles than the N95.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 02:09 PM
Apr 2020

HEPA vacuum cleaner bags are close to 99% or sos they say...
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Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
4. Very irresponsible and uninformed op.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:01 PM
Apr 2020

People can make masks or wear scarves. In the near future, masks will will be available and of course if you have medical grade masks, wear them.

kickitup

(355 posts)
5. My family is wearing masks that I'm making when we absolutely have to go out.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:02 PM
Apr 2020
Masks will not protect the wearer only others from droplets


Which is why we need to be wearing them when there are asymptomatic spreaders.

Ilsa

(61,691 posts)
50. I wear the surgical mask the nurse put on me when
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 02:15 PM
Apr 2020

I took my MIL to the emergency department. We were all required to wear them.

No one should be making assumptions about how others happen to be in possession of masks.
If you have them, wear them.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
54. I have a few on hand
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 02:20 PM
Apr 2020

from long past visits to my doctor's office. They're old, but I wear them to change the cat litter.

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
6. I just purchased a couple hundred of these for the company.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:03 PM
Apr 2020

They are knitted and made to cover your ears when wearing a hard hat outside in the cold.
They also can be pulled down around your neck and pulled up and cover your mouth and nose, which is why I bought that many, so every employee can have one, even inside workers, in case we are all told to cover up. In the winter months, a lot of our outside workers wear two: One over their hard hat to cover their ears, and the other one on their neck to cover their mouth and nose.
They are well woven, (you can't see through them when held up to the light), washable, and comfortable.
Since they are winter wear and made for hard hats, there's a supply of them out there.
We've been using these for outside work for 20 years.
$6.00 each. Most industrial supply companies carry them.
They stretch and have an elastic band on one side.

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zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
37. Guess it wasn't clear. They don't stay on the hard hat when they are over your mouth and nose.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 01:00 PM
Apr 2020

Like this. Pull it down to your neck, and then back up over your mouth and nose. It would be easy for someone to make them who is sewing-savvy.



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sfstaxprep

(9,998 posts)
8. Why Should We Pay The Price For Gov't Incompetence?
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:04 PM
Apr 2020

I completely understand the motivation for asking people to refrain from wearing masks. But the bottom line is that they do help, and I think that people who are genuinely concerned about their health, have a right to wear them, and shouldn't be discouraged from doing so.

Masks are ubiquitous in China & South Korea, and helped contain the virus, and that should be relevant.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
20. My question as well.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:17 PM
Apr 2020

Maybe if we were told from the start to wear masks when we go out, we wouldn't be in this current predicament right now, with so many people infected.

Alex4Martinez

(2,193 posts)
10. HEPA filters are still in stores, used for vacuum cleaners, etc., wear under a scarf.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:04 PM
Apr 2020

I use a neck gaiter to hold these filter papers in place.

Filter squares: https://www.amazon.com/CP3-Environment-Purifiers-FreshAir-Surround/dp/B01KAZ0ULS/ref=sr_1_3?crid=FW2YW26H8VRB&dchild=1&keywords=hepa+filter+paper&qid=1585843096&sprefix=hepa+filter%2Caps%2C214&sr=8-3

Neck gaiters: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SVN4BCT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You can probably buy HEPA filters or vacuum bags at markets or hardware stores and fashion a neck gaiter at home using whatever is at hand.

HEPA is superior to N95 and N99:

Respirator Rating Number Class
95 - Removes 95% of all particles that are at least 0.3 microns in diameter
99 - Removes 99% of particles that are at least 0.3 microns in diameter
100 - Removes 99.97% of all particles that are 0.3 microns in diameter or larger. HE or HEPA quality filter.

https://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/resources/dust-masks-whats-the-difference.html

OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
40. I'm having second thoughts about that now. If you're asymptomatic, then surely you aren't coughing ?
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 01:05 PM
Apr 2020

Maybe the biggest issue is the hands, as people touch their mouths or noses with their hands and then put those hands on surfaces, door knobs etc ? Keeping the hands frequently washed/sanitized may still be the most logical option.

Kaleva

(36,291 posts)
12. A number of studies show that wearing a mask is effective.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:06 PM
Apr 2020

"Surgical masks as good as respirators for flu and respiratory virus protection
by UT Southwestern Medical Center"

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-09-surgical-masks-good-respirators-flu.html

"“Yes, a surgical mask can help prevent the flu,” Sherif Mossad, MD, an infectious disease specialist at the Cleveland Clinic, tells Health. “Flu is carried in air droplets, so a mask would mechanically prevent the flu virus from reaching other people.” It would work both ways, says Dr. Mossad, preventing transmission of the flu virus to others and for keeping a mask-wearer from picking up an infection.

Surgical masks to prevent the flu can be found in major drugstores and online, and yours doesn't need to be fancy to help. “A simple disposable mask is fine, just be sure the packaging notes that it protects against airborne particles,” Susan Besser, MD, a family medicine doctor with Mercy Personal Physicians at Overlea in Baltimore, Maryland tells Health. And splurge for a value-sized pack. “Disposable is best and you should discard your mask after each use,” says Dr. Besser. “If a mask gets wet—and it will by simply breathing into it—the effectiveness of its protective effect is reduced.”"

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/surgical-mask-flu-prevention

"One study shows that when there's a sick family member in the house, other family members could cut their risk of getting sick by 60% to 80% by using face masks consistently and correctly -- in combination with frequent hand washing and avoiding close contact with the sick person."

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/swine-flu-h1n1-and-face-masks#1

"Donning a face mask — either a surgical mask or a P2/N95 respirator mask (high particulate filter mask) — boosts protection from severe respiratory illnesses such as influenza and SARS, say researchers from the University of New South Wales (UNSW). These masks are not necessarily the same as the dust masks that some people use when cleaning or doing construction work.

In the study, adult mask wearers in the home were four times more likely than non-wearers to be protected against respiratory viruses, including the common cold."

https://www.livescience.com/7661-masks-protect-colds-flu.html

"Not so for the World Health Organization or the Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America, the Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, and the American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine.

They collectively recommended regular surgical masks except in high risk circumstances, such as during open suctioning of airway secretions and other procedures that could "aerosolize" the H1N1 virus."

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/infectioncontrol/16278"

"According to a study published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, families with kids who had flu-like symptoms and used the masks properly were 80% less likely to be diagnosed with the same thing.

Another study looked at 400 people who had the flu found that family members who wore a surgical mask and washed their hands reduced their chance of getting the flu by 70%.

“Individual brands of masks and that sort of thing hasn't been studied, but the few studies that have looked at them do have an effect – in some studies, up to 50 to 80% reduction in transmission,” UW virology expert Alex Greninger said. “They seem to stop large droplets, and I think the other key thing to mention with masks is that it really depends on what you're willing to wear.”

Coronavirus is most commonly spread through the air by coughing or sneezing or though close personal contact, such as touching or shaking hands, according to the Washington State Department of Health.

While masks do seem promising, it's also important to utilize other preventive measures. Make sure you wash your hands often during flu season, especially if you're around others who may be sick. Also, be sure to get your annual flu shot to protect yourself and others from spreading the virus."

https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/surgical-mask-effectiveness/281-9c762e52-c2ec-4dec-b5f3-77ee833fca1e

"At the start of flu season in the last two years, participants were randomly assigned to six weeks of wearing a standard medical procedure mask alone, mask use and hand sanitizer use, or a control group with no intervention. Researchers followed students for incidence of influenza like illness symptoms, defined as cough with at least one other characteristic symptom such as fever, chills or body aches, Monto said.

From the third week on, both the mask only and mask/hand sanitizer interventions showed a significant or nearly significant reduction in the rate of influenza-like illness symptoms in comparison to the control group. The observed reduction in rate of flu-like symptoms remained even after adjusting for gender, race/ethnicity, hand washing practices, sleep quality, and flu vaccination."

https://news.umich.edu/masks-hand-washing-prevent-spread-of-flu-like-symptoms-by-up-to-50-percent/

cayugafalls

(5,639 posts)
29. Thank you for this post.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:43 PM
Apr 2020

It only makes sense that a mask would help, even if in some small way.

One thing I have noticed right now is that you can not buy N95 mask from vendors if you are not a hospital or emergency services provider. So we technically can not even get mask for personal usage right now.

Stay well.

Kaleva

(36,291 posts)
46. A mask is just one tool in the toolbox
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 02:08 PM
Apr 2020

Wearing a mask while out and about along with proper hand washing, staying home as much as possible, maintaining social distance and disinfecting high touch areas in the home can greatly reduce the chances of being infected.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
17. In fact, if people on the street wear mask, which will limit the spread of infection, ultimately it
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:16 PM
Apr 2020

is going to help medical workers.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
23. We need the White House to get their heads out of their asses
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:32 PM
Apr 2020

why are we shipping 280 million masks in ONE DAY to foreign buyers?

Thank you for all your work as a nurse.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
19. Hell, I sewed 3 the other night.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:17 PM
Apr 2020

I can't really sew too well, but these were very easy. I also have some cheap dollar store painter's masks found in my stash, but they are falling apart and essentially useless and nothing that could be donated.

cayugafalls

(5,639 posts)
25. We have 2 n95 masks from when I worked on my car.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:32 PM
Apr 2020

And a few leftover medical masks and gloves from when my mom had cancer.

I'm not going to donate my masks. Not that I don't feel their need, but I figure in the grand scheme of things those mask will do me better than it will them. Perhaps, I am selfish. Perhaps, I am overly cautious. Besides, I only have a few. What will last me a couple months would last a caregiver less than a day

I will wear the mask to help me remember to not touch my face and to prevent the spread if I am asymptomatic. I also wear gloves. I don't have any hand sanitizer, but I wash my hands faithfully.

We need to remain calm and understand as much as we can about the virus and how it spreads and follow certain rules to prevent infection otherwise we will make mistakes that could be costly.

Rule 1: Do not touch your face.
Rule 2: Wash your hands after touching suspect surfaces.
Rule 3: Social Distancing.
Rule 4: Do not maintain prolonged contact with suspect carriers.
Rule 5: Be kind.

A good video on the rules was put out by this Dr. in NYC. He also said that masks are not needed, but wear them if it makes you feel better.
https://vimeo.com/399733860

I hope we all come out of this ok. I hope everyone here and I am one of the lucky 80%.

Stay well.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
26. Bad information. Masks do protect (though they improve your odds, rather than being virus-proof).
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:33 PM
Apr 2020

Maybe health workers need them more, but what this country needs to be doing is ramping up mask production so everyone's wearing them.

Butterflylady

(3,539 posts)
31. My son, who is in the drywall business
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:47 PM
Apr 2020

Gave me a n95 mask and I'm wearing it. I'm still in treatment for breast cancer so I'm at top of the list for being vulnerable.

northoftheborder

(7,571 posts)
32. I have a mask given to me in February. Don't know type...
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:48 PM
Apr 2020

.. . but think it's a grade above the dust masks. I've already worn it, so can't donate it. I'm not going anywhere to need it, but for just in case...........

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
39. I've already donated most of mine, but I will wear a mask
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 01:03 PM
Apr 2020

I purchased quite a few in 2018 after my mom’s cancer diagnosis (she’s well, now, not immune deficient as far as we know).

Will wear a washable one out of the pack that was already opened when I go out tomorrow. Am reserving a relative smattering of surgical masks for when/if someone in my circle becomes ill.

Will probably make a couple homemade/no sew masks for if/when I go anywhere next week.

Basically, I’m saying, be sensible about masks: give as many masks as you can to frontline healthcare workers, keep some for your group, and wear homemade/washable ones when you’re well and need to take care of essential tasks in public.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
51. I bought a box of 50 masks on Amazon. Took 3 weeks to get here from China.
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 02:15 PM
Apr 2020

Medical staff are not allowed to bring in masks - they can only use what is supplied to them.

I'm going to try to be one less infected patient in need of care.

sobenji

(316 posts)
53. Totally unnecessary for you to say
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 02:19 PM
Apr 2020

I have a painters mask. Do you want me to donate that to a hospital? No.
I’m going to wear it if I have to go out.
It’s better than nothing.

MenloParque

(512 posts)
56. Wear em if ya got em!
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 03:25 PM
Apr 2020

I bought a pack of 200 of the blue surgical masks on amazon last year to prevent allergy flare ups when doing yardwork. As a matter of fact just last week my doctor INSISTED on me to keep wearing them due to my asthma and allergies. They have tested the hallways in hospitals and medical clinics - the virus stays airborne for at least 3-4 hours. Shame on anyone telling anyone not to wear masks if they own them.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
61. Dr Kavita Patel says we shouldn't wear masks? (Edited)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:51 AM
Apr 2020

So, I did some googling. She does not say what you say in the OP. For one thing, it's her personal opinion that a healthy person doesn't need to wear a mask "Just to go to the grocery store." For another, it's outdated from March 20th. If she were asked now, her answer may be different.

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