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KY_EnviroGuy

(14,793 posts)
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:07 AM Apr 2020

How a church revival in a small KY town led to a deadly CV outbreak

How a church revival in a small Kentucky town led to a deadly coronavirus outbreak
Bailey Loosemore and Mandy McLaren,
Louisville Courier Journal

Read here: https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2020/04/02/coronavirus-kentucky-hopkins-county-church-revival-led-outbreak/5111379002/

Excerpts:
The church revival in Hopkins County was meant to be uplifting. But on a Sunday in mid-March, it became the flash point of a coronavirus outbreak that has since spread across Kentucky, reaching into a manufacturing plant and even a county more than 200 miles away.

The event has now been linked to at least 30 cases of the virus — including three deaths, health officials have said. And more positive tests are expected. The widespread ramifications are a prime example of what can happen when people refuse to take adequate precautions, Gov. Andy Beshear said while discussing the event Wednesday.

On Thursday, The Courier Journal learned more about those consequences, including:
*An infected church member carried the virus to the GE Aviation plant in Madisonville, the county seat, where seven employees have tested positive.
*A church member in Dawson Springs died from complications from the virus, and a first responder who assisted the resident has also fallen ill.
*Two cases in Muhlenberg County are linked to the revival, as are an unknown number of cases in Warren and Clark counties, the latter of which is on the opposite side of the state.

The major towns in Hopkins County are Madisonville, the former home of the Happy Goodman Family gospel music group, and Dawson Springs.

The ignorant statements from church and community officials demonstrate the outright denial of what's been known for over two months prior to this event regarding how dangerously contageous this disease is.

One woman even stated that because it's a church, she thought it would be safe.

KY.........
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How a church revival in a small KY town led to a deadly CV outbreak (Original Post) KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 OP
Will any of them learn anything from this? About science and bringing danger Squinch Apr 2020 #1
These folks need to develop the desire to learn or else they're doomed. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #12
No Chainfire Apr 2020 #15
So sorry about those who aren't taking Cha Apr 2020 #2
The Idiocracy will kill us all if it can. Grokenstein Apr 2020 #3
Clearly, their sky-daddy was unimpressed Fritz Walter Apr 2020 #5
Ought to make The Stand required reading if these people can read. rickyhall Apr 2020 #4
Prayer causes Corona Virus. gibraltar72 Apr 2020 #6
viruses don't spread in churches? Demovictory9 Apr 2020 #7
Maybe God 4nic8em Apr 2020 #27
The cult will convert this event to a message from God: "within the cult, there NCjack Apr 2020 #8
Moscow Mitch should get to a revival meeting. He could use some religion. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #9
Never expect rationality from religious people. n/t spike jones Apr 2020 #10
This country is so stupid Takket Apr 2020 #11
Yep. jayschool2013 Apr 2020 #13
Plagues are applied equally. JoeDuck Apr 2020 #14
If everything is "god's will" then this piece of shit god doesn't deserve my worship. lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #18
Welcome to the club. nt Progressive Jones Apr 2020 #21
I've seen all kinds of people customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #16
Thoughts and prayers. lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #17
It's good that these stories are coming out every single day. Mariana Apr 2020 #19
High-level leaders of these sects need to step up to the plate.... KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #23
A lot of these churches are "nondenominational" or "independent" congregations. Mariana Apr 2020 #24
Yes, and I have trouble wrapping my head around that on any scale. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #25
More evidence of religion addiction. An addict will do anything for a fix. nt Progressive Jones Apr 2020 #20
+1000. lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #22
I was going to make a cynical though apropos comment defacto7 Apr 2020 #26
I'm proud that we as Democrats represent the decent sector of the USA. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #30
Southern Governors Argue Covid-19 Good Christian Virus That Wouldn't Dare Spread During Church Roland99 Apr 2020 #28
we can only hope for more, if this is the price they must pay for ignorance, so be it beachbumbob Apr 2020 #29

Squinch

(59,920 posts)
1. Will any of them learn anything from this? About science and bringing danger
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 06:55 AM
Apr 2020

to their loved ones? I truly wonder.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,793 posts)
12. These folks need to develop the desire to learn or else they're doomed.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 08:35 AM
Apr 2020

Knowing the culture fairly well, I strongly suspect that these days, the majority of people there rely entirely on their church pastor and a small circle of church and work friends, thereby forming a closed information bubble.

Many are also enveloped in a secondary info bubble controlled by right-wing elements such as Faux and Limbaugh, which we have discussed extensively here on DU.

I think in order for them to want to learn even the basic science of this pandemic, some of the key leadership elements within those closed bubbles must initiate strong changes of attitude and "preach" the science. For example, town mayors or church pastors could conduct educational videos for placement on social media or TV. The flock would listen.

A similar effect might occur if key leaders in the right-wing media and political leadership came to their senses and preached the science.

Hypothetically, if Trump was the leader we need him to be at this time, he would call around 100 of the primary leaders of evangelical churches and right-wing media into a meeting and lay the law and science down on them hard. If he did that, we would see an almost overnight change in people's attitude on handling this national emergency.

Sadly, I'm not positive on that happening at all.........

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
15. No
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 09:05 AM
Apr 2020

Most will never believe that the church service was the source of the outbreak. If they did, it would be an issue of "God moving in mysterious ways," not to be questioned by mortal man. They may consider that they are being punished for their, or other people's sins, by a just and loving God. The may take it as a warning that their faith was not strong enough. They may just blame it on the works of Satan.

Logic and reason has no place in "faith based" institutions. If the people gave credence to science and logic, then their whole system of beliefs crumble, and they are left with nothing. They would be left naked and helpless in a world that they do not understand, without the promise of immortality and paradise; a fate worse than death. That is the reason why education and science can be so abhorrent to evangelicals.

Republicans and conservatism in general and Trump in particular are "faith based institutions" and the same logic applies. That is exactly why Trump's loyal following are still faithful to their leader and will remain so, no mater where the evidence points. Evidence can be faked, faith is real.

Grokenstein

(6,389 posts)
3. The Idiocracy will kill us all if it can.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 07:31 AM
Apr 2020

Anyone who has ever argued with a God-botherer knows they will simply ignore reality until it beats the holy hell out of them with a crowbar...and even then, only for as long as the beating lasts.

Doctors will work tirelessly to save their lives and once they're well they will tell anyone who will listen that Jehovah did it.

Fritz Walter

(4,372 posts)
5. Clearly, their sky-daddy was unimpressed
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 07:38 AM
Apr 2020

Their prayers, songs, and most especially the half-empty collection plates were not enough to reach him to prevent this from happening.

Sending tots and pears their way.

NCjack

(10,297 posts)
8. The cult will convert this event to a message from God: "within the cult, there
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 08:15 AM
Apr 2020

are unrepentant sinners!"

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
9. Moscow Mitch should get to a revival meeting. He could use some religion.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 08:17 AM
Apr 2020

And we could use his departure.

Takket

(23,759 posts)
11. This country is so stupid
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 08:34 AM
Apr 2020

It’s almost like forcing science denial on public schools and years of right wing hate radio/tv are hurting us now!

jayschool2013

(2,611 posts)
13. Yep.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 08:36 AM
Apr 2020

We are ungovernable as a whole because of organized fundamental religiosity and libertarianism.

JoeDuck

(79 posts)
14. Plagues are applied equally.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 08:47 AM
Apr 2020

I'm not a believer, but I find it curious that if there is a God, he/she applies plagues equally to the believers and non-believers.

And if that God chose Donald Trump, I have to wonder what was the rationale for The Plague of Trump.

customerserviceguy

(25,406 posts)
16. I've seen all kinds of people
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 11:39 AM
Apr 2020

who have met lousy potential partners through religious-branded dating sites, they also believed that an invisible skyfather would protect them from creeps.

Mariana

(15,629 posts)
19. It's good that these stories are coming out every single day.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 01:15 PM
Apr 2020

It's bad that the church members are spreading the virus all over the place, but it's good that we're hearing about it, and that the churches are being correctly identified as the sources of many of these outbreaks.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,793 posts)
23. High-level leaders of these sects need to step up to the plate....
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 04:21 PM
Apr 2020

and in no small way tell all their churches to cease all meetings. Until that happens, I fear these events will continue since local pastors who probably are poorly educated on the science of this disease will stay in denial.

I believe most church pastors are like most political conservatives - they rely on a leadership structure and follow it blindly. Unfortunately, far too many preachers these days also worship the GOP's leadership structure and it's to their peril.

Bottom line is it's time for both political and religious high-level leaders to have the humility to come out in public and preach science and rather than gospel.

KY..........

Mariana

(15,629 posts)
24. A lot of these churches are "nondenominational" or "independent" congregations.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 04:25 PM
Apr 2020

They do their own thing and they only recognize the authority of the preachers.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,793 posts)
25. Yes, and I have trouble wrapping my head around that on any scale.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 04:54 PM
Apr 2020

In my youth in central Tennessee, most churches were old-fashioned Baptist, Methodist and Presbyterian that were affiliated with a national structure and in the case of my church, the Southern Baptist Convention.

There were a few of the churches we considered odd-ball that were holy-roller, snake handlers, faith healers, etc. that to my knowledge had no national association. Evangelicals were also quite rare.

Apparently as you say, that has all changed and the weird ones have become mainstream.

The other thing that's changed radically is a high percentage of the populace (and by default, their churches) have become glued at the hip to the religious right. As a result, I'm hardly on speaking terms with many of my classmates and extended family.

That very change, I fear, is what will bring America to her knees......

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,793 posts)
30. I'm proud that we as Democrats represent the decent sector of the USA.
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 05:33 PM
Apr 2020

It breaks my heart to have witnessed the moral shift that's happened in the South after the 60s. We had serious racism issues back then but most people were good-hearted, open-minded and they respected science and reason.

But that was before the Southern Strategy took hold and well before Fox News and Limbaugh......

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