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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHe sacrificed himself and it sounds like everyone knows it.
Here is Captain Crozier walking away from his ship while sailors chant his name after he was relieved from duty for blowing the whistle on a coronavirus contamination aboard the USS Roosevelt.
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Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Who did what he could to protect the lives of the sailors entrusted to his care.
just amazing. I hope he writes a book and gets rich.
grumpyduck
(6,672 posts)and make a ton of money.
So fuck you, POtuS, and may you live to see him become a national hero. And have another meltdown.
BigmanPigman
(55,137 posts)The_REAL_Ecumenist
(957 posts)if AT ALL...& INFINITELY so for limpdick McLardass. In the midst of a pandemic that'll probably turn out to be the WORST in RECORDED HISTORY, FIRING Captain Crozier, THAT was the thing that someone in this flaming shitshow dumpster is thought made sense to them...Frankly, the horrifically collapsing though somehow, HILARIOUSLY house of cards happening to that orange lunatic, his plastic enhanced, incestuous fantasy daughter/mistress, slimey, slumlord, uniquely & historically incompetent, dead eyed, hypocritical SIL, (who's DL, according more than a few LGBTQ friends in NY who were shocked when they found out that jared was marrying ivanka due to his REGULAR attendance to "PARTIES, if'n you know what I mean BUT ya'll ddn't hear this from me..lol), Eric the Simple, Jr the Drunk & his ho'. & his Slovenijan "Be Best" sex worker, who was outed by a an ACTUAL Lawyer who knew her from growing up in the same town & told the world about the REAL deal; how she NEVER spent more than 1 semester @ university; that she didn't drop out because of being discovered by a scout for a "prestigious" model representation company or the other lie about her being recruited to study in the US due to her being a TOP FLIGHT Architect & civil engineering student...(GOOGLE it & you'll find all you've ever wanted to know about that BULLSHIT Einstein VISA claim).
I have more of an insight because my husband is Bohemian Czech with family all over Central, Eastern Europe, Ukraine & Byelorussia. It's common knowledge in alot of circles, seeing as how her parents WERE big muckety-mucks in the local Communist parties & HATED for what alot of their fellow Slovenijans STILL see as betrayal...THINK the gop party's "reputation" & you'll get a somewhat of an idea of what the REAL DEAL is & why her CHAIN IMMIGRATION mammy & sperm donor HAD to leave the country. SMGDH
ProfessorGAC
(76,706 posts)...why the navy got their noses out of joint for the chain of command thing. Well, as well as a civilian could, I suppose.
But, given the circumstances, I think the navy blew this one.
A guy protecting his charges from what is a national emergency looks terrible. It would have been just as easy for them to say, that despite the leaked letter, proper chain of command was followed. Even if it wasn't followed to the letter.
They just look bad, disciplining a guy who was protecting his subordinates.
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)For disrespecting the Emperor. My guess is he will at least inquire about how to discipline the crew who also disrespected the Emperor by showing appreciation for the captain. Probably no way to do that but you can bet hes asked about it.
murielm99
(32,988 posts)pardons war criminals.
SilasSouleII
(486 posts)Captain Covid indeed.
SheltieLover
(80,466 posts)Good name for pos!
sop
(18,621 posts)Fritz Walter
(4,370 posts)I thought he was headed to the golf course in Virgina. Maybe this will happen to him there
murielm99
(32,988 posts)I prefer captain covid.
jeffreyi
(2,571 posts)Serial killer in chief.
It's a struggle to find names that are sufficiently contemptuous.
3catwoman3
(29,406 posts)I am likening him it a tapeworm. A particularly ugly parasite that make you want to puke if you see one, and sucks the life out of its host.
jeffreyi
(2,571 posts)Heel Fly bites bovine or equine. Lays eggs. Larvae migrate through the body. By and by they emerge as a massive pussy festering carbuncle on the animal's back. Gross, painful. Utterly repulsive. Twitler is a ripe warble on all of our backs.
3catwoman3
(29,406 posts)...Google images.
Trueblue Texan
(4,464 posts)GoneOffShore
(18,021 posts)live love laugh
(16,383 posts)GoneOffShore
(18,021 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)ProfessorGAC
(76,706 posts)The navy had an out to avoid a PR problem.
How would this story go down at a recruiting station?
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)ProfessorGAC
(76,706 posts)Probably endemic to military to have confidence in leadership and lean towed conservatism. But, they're not all blind drones!
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Captain Brett Crozier DID NOT go outside the chain of command.
The DoD/Pentagon/NAVY claimed they were "blindsided" by this. BULLSHIT. They have known for over a week now that Capt. Crozier was begging for help for his sick Sailors. When NOT ONE GODDAM THING was done to help him, he send the letter you all now see. It was leaked to the media. But NOT by Crozier.
His actions are the actions every CO should take when his Sailors are at risk. He stared down the High and Mighty and got what he wanted for his Sailors. Did he know the shit would hit the fan ? Of course he did. You don't make it to O-6 without understanding the political lay of the land. Hell, that's how you GET to O-6.
And he DID get what he wanted. The NAVY has transfered about 1000 hands to medical facilities. That is 25% of his entire ship's compliment. If 25% of your co-workers or staff were sick, you'd move Heaven and Earth to get them the help they DESERVED and EARNED.
It is obvious to me that the trumpie clusterfuck has NO FUCKING IDEA of what "Leave no man behind" means. And that is disgraceful and outrageous.
To Captain Brett Crozier ----- BRAVO ZULU !!!
I never thought I could ever hate any man as much as I hate this assfuck in the WH.
ramen
(862 posts)DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)is going to put up with this shit. This is their so called Commander in Chief???????
First, pardoning a U.S. Navy Seal, an international war criminal......
And now this. Where is the outrage by the top commanders in all branches of the U.S. Military.????????????
If all of the Top commanders cornered Moscow Mitch and told him to either do something about this Menace to the United States people and Democracy immediately or they will, AND they were not talking about merely rescinding Trump's actions on this officer........ THEN something would happen.
ProfessorGAC
(76,706 posts)Totally agree. But, "outside chain of command" is the excuse they used.
We agree that they were wrong.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Jared with a medal like Rush? He is totally qualified in tRump's view. Ass kisser supreme. The Commander did all he could to protect his crew, which IS his duty to do. So for being honorable, he gets booted? Why can't we get rid of tRump as easily as he gets rid of anyone who tries to do the right thing? tRump will NEVER understand decent people since he always surrounds himself with people like himself. LOW LIFE greedy self absorbed idiots. There is not one single member of this administration who has earned respect.
samsingh
(18,426 posts)CTyankee
(68,202 posts)let's think this through."
marble falls
(71,926 posts)marble falls
(71,926 posts)"allowed the complexity of the challenge of the COVID breakout on the ship to overwhelm his ability to act professionally".
Kube, Courtney; Gains, Mosheh (2 April 2020). "Navy relieves captain who raised alarm about coronavirus outbreak on aircraft carrier". NBC News. Retrieved 2 April 2020.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/navy-expected-relieve-captain-who-raised-alarm-about-covid-19-n1175351
Bull Shit, he refused to bury the truth to Trump's liking.
CTyankee
(68,202 posts)gibraltar72
(7,629 posts)That in itself is a message.
Johnyawl
(3,210 posts)In a different thread a former Carrier sailor posted a meme of the brightly colored shirts the deck crews wear, each color differentiating what their job is. The crew has their work shirts on.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213224437#post15
gibraltar72
(7,629 posts)MagickMuffin
(18,318 posts)Unfortunately republican want us to die!
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littlemissmartypants
(33,588 posts)Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)needs to give that man the Navy Cross.
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)This guy knows how to take care of his sailors.
yellowdogintexas
(23,694 posts)Secretary of the Navy!
Greybnk48
(10,724 posts)And sacrificing his job when he knows it was the moral thing is part of his heroism.
William769
(59,147 posts)Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)mtngirl47
(1,243 posts)3catwoman3
(29,406 posts)...folks willing to fall on their swords right now, to balance all the sycophantic suck-ups that surround Trump.
The captain spoke truth to power.
Im sitting here with tears welling up.
RichardRay
(2,613 posts)Zambero
(9,990 posts)Those higher-ups who took him down now own the horrible situation that Captain Crozier sought to remedy. One thing is for certain, this video displaying support from the ship's crew will never be shown on Fox Nooze.
coti
(4,625 posts)
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Thunderbeast
(3,819 posts)Did Captain Crozier send his alarm through the chain of command? Were those pleas ignored? Who got the alerts? Why were there no responses?
If Captain Crozier went FIRST to the press, I can understand his firing. If, in fact, he had put up the red flag and was ignored while his crew was in danger, then somone else needs to take the fall, and he needs to get his boat back!
nolabear
(43,850 posts)and it was leaked. I could be wrong but I dont think he himself made it public in any way.
marble falls
(71,926 posts)leak.
Ergo: if he hadn't written the letter, it couldn't have been leaked.
The Navy feels they were on it even if they weren't responding regarding it to Capt Crozier.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)marble falls
(71,926 posts)being groomed for Admiral, an Academy graduate, doesn't know and hadn't followed chain of command????
Really?
hedda_foil
(16,985 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)marble falls
(71,926 posts)DFW
(60,186 posts)Come late January, 2021, I would hope he is back in command of that or some similar vessel.
The father of a good friend got on the wrong side of Richard Nixon when he allowed women and POC to rise to be officers in the US Navy. The day Nixon resigned, he ordered Jim Schlesinger, who was Secretary of Defense at the time, to fire him. Schlesinger, who knew how popular our friend's father was with the Navy rank and file, declined to do as ordered, and Nixon was gone before he could do anything to Schlesinger.
Walleye
(44,807 posts)DFW
(60,186 posts)Gerry Ford conveniently (and wisely) forgot all about that order, and let Bud (our friend's father) retire on his own.
Walleye
(44,807 posts)DFW
(60,186 posts)My dad did know him well, however, and that he confirmed that on many occasions.
marble falls
(71,926 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 3, 2020, 02:07 PM - Edit history (1)
and beached it. He asked a guy on the repair ship to take a link and split it into two.
Asked the the Commander told him, "its for handles on the barn door, it looks like I'll be buying the farm".
Being Relieved is not good on anyone's record. The question is: where will he land and how many friends does he have. I think its even money either way.
DFW
(60,186 posts)But I think someone like Biden would look favorably on him. After all, he wasn't fired for insubordination, and the send-off his crew gave him was well-recorded on video, something not prevalent in the Vietnam era.
Even after Bud Zumwalt left active duty, he left a mark on the Navy that never faded.
marble falls
(71,926 posts)"allowed the complexity of the challenge of the COVID breakout on the ship to overwhelm his ability to act professionally".
Kube, Courtney; Gains, Mosheh (2 April 2020). "Navy relieves captain who raised alarm about coronavirus outbreak on aircraft carrier". NBC News. Retrieved 2 April 2020.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/navy-expected-relieve-captain-who-raised-alarm-about-covid-19-n1175351
This is the wiki page of Secty of the Navy:
Thomas B. Modly is an American businessman and government official who has served as Acting United States Secretary of the Navy since November 24, 2019.
Modly, who was confirmed as the United States Under Secretary of the Navy on December 4, 2017, performed the duties of the Secretary of the Navy while Richard V. Spencer was Acting Secretary of Defense and Acting Deputy Secretary of Defense from July 15, 2019, to July 31, 2019.[1]
Career
Modly is a graduate of the United States Naval Academy, Georgetown University, and Harvard Business School. He served on active duty in the United States Navy as a helicopter pilot and spent seven years as a U.S. Navy officer.[2] He has held various leadership positions at Iconixx, Oxford Associates, and UNC Inc.,[3] and taught political science at the United States Air Force Academy.[4]
Modly served as the managing director of the PricewaterhouseCoopers global government and public services sector and as the firm's global government defense network leader. He has served as the Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Financial Management and as the first executive director of the Defense Business Board.
He was nominated to become Navy Undersecretary by President Donald Trump in September 2017 and was confirmed by the U.S. Senate two months later.[5]
On April 1, 2020, as Acting Secretary of the Navy, he dismissed Capt. Brett Crozier for raising the alarm over widespread COVID-19 infections onboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt.[6][7][8][9][10]
That qualifies him to an acting Secretary of the Navy? Wasn't he even embarrassed to write that recall?
DFW
(60,186 posts)No captain whose responsibilities have overwhelmed him gets that kind of a sendoff from his crew. A crew know when their CO was competent and when he wasn't. They weren't cheering his name because he was a good guy to have a beer with.
marble falls
(71,926 posts)yonder
(10,293 posts)as he stepped off is not something I will ever forget.
marble falls
(71,926 posts)from our executive government.
Jirel
(2,369 posts)Lets hope he has many thanks and help making his transition, and that President Joe eventually gives him a medal.
Walleye
(44,807 posts)I dont care if he went up the chain of command or not. The top of the chain of command in this case is the weakest link. His ship had been attacked, was on fire, and lives were going to be lost. Good man, with a conscience. Duty, honor, like Lt. Col. Vindman.
The Wizard
(13,735 posts)Commander Bone Spurs pardoned a depraved homicidal war criminal.
trc
(830 posts)It is to protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Further, a military member can refuse to follow unlawful orders, and keeping an aircraft carrier full of sailors to get sick and die is an unlawful order. The Captain paid the price, but his sailors would take a bullet for him, and there will be a reckoning when this shit is over. All military recognize what this Captain did for his troops and honor his choice. covid45 can not begin to comprehend the loyalty those men and women have for their leader because it was not bought, it was earned.
stopdiggin
(15,463 posts)but please cease with the "unlawful order" stuff. Nothing in this situation has even the hint of unlawful orders. This man was relieved from command because he was cause for embarrassment (rightly or wrongly) to his superiors. And then (unfortunately for him) it became public news. That'll usually do the trick.
I'll +1 every other comment in your post.
blue-wave
(5,130 posts)Spot on, K&R and +1000
On edit: I agree with you on the "unlawful order" stance. A true leader has a duty to protect his soldiers at all times. An order given to the contrary, is unlawful.
TygrBright
(21,362 posts)If there was a version of "Star Trek" set in a future dystopian enough to be an accurate reflection of the present.
sadly,
Bright
Raster
(21,010 posts)...We make a pact with our men and women of the military that when our country needs them THEY WILL BE THERE. We owe them the very same loyalty and consideration. This is a leader THAT KNEW that the tRump* maladministration would not do the right thing, so he did the right thing.
#CaptainCrozierIsAHERO
SheltieLover
(80,466 posts)The CREW loves that Commander!
I'm hoping all those sailors will vote Blue to flush the traitors out of positions of power in govt in every state!
tirebiter
(2,699 posts)Now the Navy will just wait for him to retire. He may wait to be passed over 3 times. I see a future Democratic senator walking off that boat
marble falls
(71,926 posts)Stinky The Clown
(68,952 posts)He did what leaders do.
His crew knows it.
Joinfortmill
(21,167 posts)Gothmog
(179,869 posts)pazzyanne
(6,759 posts)The tRump administration does not know how to recognize good people. You would think they have a flawed perspective.
Blue Owl
(59,106 posts)n/t
jrandom421
(1,060 posts)to protect their people. They put themselves on the line for those they lead and take the heat for doing what they can to keep them safe.
Old Crank
(7,078 posts)The news here. In Munich.
Horrible decision. But tRump denies sticking his finger in this mess. Lying again.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Xolodno
(7,350 posts)With that said....
IMPOTUS and company need to keep him busy in the Navy with something. Otherwise, he's a loose canon. But I don't give that much credit to the current administration.
If he's cut loose or decides collecting a paycheck just siting at a desk that does nothing isn't for him...he'll be major thorn in Trump's and GOP's side.
hangaleft
(649 posts)donco
(1,548 posts)Secretary of the Navy of the Biden administration.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Just to piss the Dotard off.
sarge43
(29,173 posts)Captain Crozier was not only looking after the welfare of his crew; he was looking after the readiness of his ship. That's a command responsibility. If it's true that a thousand crew members were put in on shore quarantine, that's 20% of the compliment. That's unacceptable for any combat unit. The Navy should have gone to DefCon 4 instead of killing the messenger.
LiberalBear
(27 posts)The DNC won't do it because they have no scrotum, but if I were running the DNC, I would spare no expense to create and run an add that points out the obvious fact that Trump supports traitors who would subvert the chain of command and put their service colleagues at risk by providing the enemy with gifts for terrorist enhancing propaganda while relieving from command those leaders who will sacrifice their careers for the lives of those they command and the battle readiness of their ship.
mountain grammy
(29,035 posts)Carrier by breaking the rules. My guess he reported a few cases up the chain of command and was ignored. He did what he did to save his crew. I think the truth will come out and the captain comes out clean.
burrowowl
(18,494 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,655 posts)What has become of the USA????