The Defense Production Act should not be used to prevent exports during a pandemic

[RB TexLa]

If there were a war and 3M sending needed items to Canada and Latin America were going to harm a US war effort then yes. But we are not at war with Canada or anyone in Latin America. This is not the time to think in terms of country. That should be the VERY last thing we should be thinking of right now.

[hlthe2b]

1. What an assinine thing to say. So you are fine with our HCW's dying as they go without protection?

THEY ARE DYING! As the administration you defend is profiteering off their dedication while denying them basic protection. Shame on you!

In Memoriam: Healthcare Workers Who Have Died of COVID-19
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927976

This list is already incomplete and Medscape is asking for help in memorializing those they have missed:

A

Luigi Ablondi, 66, Epidemiologist, Former General Manager of the Crema Hospital, Cremona, Italy

Abdel Sattar Airoud, 74, General Practitioner, Piacenza, Italy

Vincenza Amato, 65, Medical Director Responsible UOS Hygiene Public Health of the Department of Hygiene and Health Prevention, Bergamo, Italy

Larrice Anderson, 46, Nurse, New Orleans East Hospital, New Orleans, Louisiana

Malik Ashtar, 50, Nursing Staff, Gilgit, Pakistan

Gaetano Autore, 68, General Practitioner, Naples, Italy

Madhvi Aya, 61, Physician Assistant, Emergency Medicine, Woodhull Medical Center, Brooklyn, New York
B

Domenico Bardelli, 75, Dentist, Lodi, Italy

Manuel Barragan, 63, General Practitioner, Cordoba, Spain

Jean-Marie Boegle, 66, OBGYN, Mulhouse, France

Massimo Borghese, 63, Specialist in Otolaryngology and Phoniatrics, Naples, Italy

Giuseppe Borghi, 64, General Practitioner, Lodi, Italy

Araceli Buendia Ilagan, 63, ICU nurse, Jackson Memorial Hospital, Miami

Antonio Buonomo, 65, Medical Examiner, Naples, Italy

Antonino Buttafuoco, 66, General Practitioner, Bergamo, Italy
C

Mario Calonghi, 55, Dentist, Brescia, Italy

Giulio Calvi, 72, General Practitioner, Bergamo, Italy

Andrea Carli, 69, General Practitioner, Lodi, Italy

Ricardo Castaneda , 64, Psychiatrist, New York, New York

Marino Chiodi, 70, Ophthalmologist, Bergamo, Italy

Marcello Cifola, age unknown, Otolaryngologist, Italy

Aurelio Maria Comelli, 69, Cardiologist, Bergamo, Italy

Benedetto Comotti, 74, Hematologist, Bergamo, Italy
D

Francesco Dall'Antonia, 82, Former Primary of Surgery I of Vicenza, Vicenza, Italy

Jeannie Danker, 60, Director of Radiology, OSU Wexner Medical Center, Columbus, Ohio

Francesco De Alberti, died on March 28, 2020; Former OMCeO President, Lecco, Italy

Francesco De Francesco, 82, Retired, Former hospital doctor, Sculptor and painter, Bergamo, Italy

Domenico De Gilio, 66, General Practitioner, Lecco, Italy

Walberto Reyes de la Cruz, Urologist, Monclova, Mexico
E

Amged el-Hawrani, 55, Ear, Nose, and Throat Specialist, Queen's Hospital Burton, Derbyshire, UK

Adil el-Tayar, 63, Transplant Surgeon, Isleworth, west London, UK

Ahmed el-Lawah, 50, Professor of Clinical Pathology, Al-Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt

Raul Garcia Espinoza, 53, Nurse, Centro Medico La Raza, Mexico City, Mexico
F

Gino Fasoli, 73, Retired General Practitioner, Brescia, Italy

Giuseppe Finzi, 62, Hematologist and Contract Professor of Vascular Diseases at the University of Parma, Parma, Italy

Anna Maria Focarete, 69, Provincial Councilor FIMMG, SIMG President and Former Councilor Prov. of the Medici, Lecco, Italy

Francesco Foltrani, 67, General Practitioner, Macerata, Italy

Giovanni Francesconi, 90, General Practitioner, Brescia, Italy

Luigi Frusciante, 71, General Practitioner, Como, Italy
G

Frank Gabrin, 60, Emergency Medicine Physician, New York, New York, United States

Bruna Galavotti, 86, Psychiatrist, Dean of the Women's Medical Association of Bergamo, Bergamo, Italy

Maurizio Galderisi, 65, Cardiologist, Professor of Internal Medicine at the Federico II University of Naples, Naples, Italy

Franco Galli, 65, General Practitioner, Mantua, Italy

Ivano Garzena, 48, Dentist, Turin, Italy

Rosario Vittorio Gentile, 67, General Practitioner, Specialist in Allergology and Hematology, Cremona, Italy

Calogero Giabbarrasi, 68, General Practitioner, Caltanissetta, Italy

Raffaele Giura, 80, Pneumologist, Como, Italy

Mario Giovita, 65, General Practitioner, Bergamo, Italy

James T. Goodrich, 73, Neurosurgeon, Director of the Division of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Montefiore Health System, Professor of Clinical Neurological Surgery, Pediatrics, Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, New York, New York, United States

Renzo Granata, 68, General Practitioner, Alessandria, Italy
H

Capt. Douglas Linn Hickok (US Army), 57, Physician Assistant, East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania

Alex Hsu, 67, Internal Medicine, Northwest Medical Center, Margate, Florida, United States
J

Jiang Xueqing, 55, Head of Thyroid and Breast Surgery, Wuhan Central Hospital, Wuhan, China

Norman Jones, 72, Cardiologist, Former Cardiology Chief of the Trabattoni-Ronzoni Rehabilitation Center in Seregno, Como, Italy

Raffaele Jura, 79, Former head of the Pneumology department, Como, Italy
K

Kious Kelly, 48, ER Nurse at Mount Sinai West, New York, New York, United States

Narges Khanalizadeh, 25, Nurse, Milad Lahijan Hospital, Lahijan, Iran
L

Giuseppe Lanati, 73, Pulmonologist, Como, Italy

Michele Lauriola, 67, General Practitioner, Bergamo, Italy

Vincenzo Leone, 65, General Practitioner, Vice President of SNAMI, Bergamo, Italy

Marco Lera, 68, Dentist, Lucca, Italy

Li Wenliang, 33, Ophthalmologist, Wuhan Central Hospital, Wuhan, China

Liu Fan, 59, Nurse, Wuchang Hospital in Wuhan, China

Liu Zhiming, 51, Director of Wuchang Hospital in Wuhan, China

Gabriele Lombardi, 68, Dentist, Brescia, Italy

Sara Bravo López, 28, General Practitioner, Cuenca, Spain

Roberto Mario Lovotti, 69, General Practitioner, Milan, Italy

Piero Lucarelli, 74, Anesthesiologist, Bergamo, Italy

Rosario Lupo, 65, Medical Examiner, Manager of the INPS Legal Medical Center of Bergamo, Bergamo, Italy
M

Antonio Maghernino, 59, Medical Continuity Doctor, Foggia, Italy
Giuseppe Maini, 74, General Practitioner, Piacenza, Italy

Abdulghani Taki Makki, 78, Dentist, Italy

Leonardo Marchi, 65, Infectious Disease Doctor, Medical Director of the San Camillo Nursing Home, Cremona, Italy

Arturo Olvera Martínez, Physician, age unknown, Hidalgo, Mexico

Julián Santos-Gonzalez Martinez, 64, Secretary of Medicine, College Albacete, Albacete, Spain

Mei Zhongming, 57, Ophthalmologist, Wuhan Central Hospital, Wuhan, China

Ivan Mauri, 69, General practitioner, Lecco, Italy

Roberto Mileti, 59, Gynecologist, Rome, Italy

Isabel Muñoz, 59, General practitioner, Salamanca, Spain

John F Murray, 92, Pulmonary and Critical Care Physician, San Francisco General Hospital, San Francisco, California
N

Marcello Natali, 56, General Practitioner, Secretary of the Federation of General Practitioners of Lodi, Lodi, Italy
O

Freda Ocran, 50, Psychiatric Nurse, Jacobi Medical Center, New York, New York, United States

José Manuel Sanchez Ortega, age unknown, General Surgery, Barcelona, Spain
P

Carlo Alberto Passera, 62, General Practitioner, Bergamo, Italy

Tomas Pattugalan, 70, Internal Medicine Physician, Queens, New York

Peng Yinhua, 29, Respiratory doctor, First People's Hospital of Jiangxia District, Wuhan, China

Dino Pesce, 74, Internist Physician, Former general physician at the Villa Scassi hospital in Sampierdarena, Genoa, Italy
R

Mahen Ramloll, 70, General Practitioner, France

Jean-Jacques Razafindranazy, 67, Emergency Doctor, Lille, France

Mark Respler, 66, Urologist, Brooklyn, New York

Leandro Resurreccion III, 57, Pediatric Transplant Surgeon, Philippine General Hospital, Manila, the Philippines

Gualberto Reyes, 45, Emergency Medicine Physician, Mexico

Usama Riaz, 26, Physician, Gilgit, Pakistan

Guido Riva, 78, General Practitioner, Bergamo, Italy

Luigi Rocca, 93, Pediatrician, Piacenza, Italy

Flavio Roncoli, 89, Retired, Bergamo, Italy
S

Alfa Saadu, 68, Former Medical Director, Princess Alexandra Hospital, Essex and Ealing NHS Trust, Harlow, UK

Mario Luigi Salerno, 68, Physiatrist, Bari, Italy

Usman Sani, 48, Pathologist, Malaysia

Jose Ramon Izquierdo Sanz, 61, General Practitioner, Cuenca, Spain

Gianpaolo Sbardolini, age unknown, General Practitioner, Italy

Olivier-Jacques Schneller, 68, General Practitioner, Trévenans, France

Marino Signori, age unknown, Occupational Physician, Italy

Song Yingjie, 28, Hospital Pharmacist, Wuhan, China

Manfredo Squeri, 75, Former hospital physician, currently head of the Medicine department in the Piccole Figlie di Parma Nursing Home affiliated with SSN, Parma, Italy

Roberto Stella, 57, General Practitioner, Varese, Italy
T

Valter Tarantini, 71, Gynecologist, Forlì Cesena, Italy

Giulio Titta, 73, General Practitioner, Former secretary of FIMMG, Turin, Italy

Gaetana Trimarchi, 57, General Practitioner, Messina, Italy
Israel Tolentino, 33, Emergency Medical Technician, Passaic, New Jersey
U

Marcello Ugolini, 70, Pulmonologist, Councilor of the Medical Association, Pesaro Urbino, Italy
V

Ivano Vezzulli, 61, General Practitioner, Sports Physician, Lodi, Italy

Denis Vincent, 62, Dentist, North Vancouver, Canada
W

Wang Tucheng, 27, Doctor, Henan's Xinwangzhuang village, China

Sylvain Welling, 60, General Practitioner, France

Diedre Wilkes, 42, Mammogram Technician, Piedmont Newnan Hospital, Newnan, Georgia

Judy Wilson-Griffin, Perinatal Clinical Nurse Specialist, SSM Health St. Mary's Hospital, St. Louis, Missouri, United States

Leone Marco Wischkin, 71, Internist, Pesaro Urbino, Italy
X

Xia Sisi, 29, Gastroenterologist, Union Jiangbei Hospital, Wuhan, China

Xu Hui, 51, Leader of a hospital's virus control group, Nanjing, China
Y
Z

Habib Zaidi, 76, General Practitioner, Eastwood Group Practice, Leigh-on-Sea, United Kingdom

Carlo Zavaritt, 80, Pediatrician and Child Neuropsychiatrist, Bergamo, Italy
Anonymous

Anonymous Healthcare Employee, 48, Donalsonville Hospital, Donalsonville, Georgia

Anonymous Prison Doctor, died on March 26, 2020; Foggia, Italy

[RB TexLa]

4. It sounds like you are the one defending the trump administration telling 3M they can't export to

their customers and must sell to Americans instead.

[hlthe2b]

5. SHAME ON YOU!

You spread a Pro-Trump RW meme here that puts our HCWs at risk and accuse others who call you on it as being "pro-Trump?"

No, but others see what is going on. SHAME ON YOU!

[RB TexLa]

6. For thinking health care workers in other countries matter as much as ones in the US

I feel no shame at all for that.

[hlthe2b]

7. For putting the lives of those who will have to save YOU at risk, YES.

SHAME ON YOU! In what universe does our own country who leads the world in cases and projected deaths not come first in terms of NEED?

No one is saying other HCW's don't matter, but right now our OWN do not have what they need.

[RB TexLa]

11. So people should only care about people who will be doing things for them and no one else?

A doctor that isn't going to be treating you because they are on the other side of the world, what does their life matter?

They are equal in value, regardless of if they might or might not treat YOU.

[hlthe2b]

12. YOU are defending Trump's PROFITEERING--not the notion of sending surplus help to others

that NO ONE on DU, least of all me, would have issue with. SHAME ON YOU!

[RB TexLa]

14. trump is the one stopping 3M from selling to their customers outside of the US. You are defending

his nationalist policy.

[hlthe2b]

15. Trump is the one exporting critical goods for profit and reimporting from Asia and Russia for

the sole ability to direct those sales to states that support his reelection. GET A DAMNED CLUE

Source: USA TODAY

American companies sold more than $17.5 million worth of face masks, more than $13.6 million in surgical garments and more than $27.2 million in ventilators to China during the first two months of the year, far exceeding that of any other similar period in the past decade, according to the most recent foreign trade data available from the U.S. Census Bureau.
The White House and congressional intelligence committees were briefed on the scope and threat of the coronavirus in January and February, but President Donald Trump has not stopped exports of key medical equipment – a move taken by at least 54 other countries so far.

The data show how U.S. manufacturers stepped up production and cleared out inventory to supply protective medical equipment to China for weeks, even as the threat of the coronavirus became clear. ....



Read more: https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB125TUq?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare

[RB TexLa]

19. These sales were going to be to Canada the respirators were not going to be sold back to anyone here

Guess what. Canadian lives are just as valuable as your precious American ones.


U.S.-based company 3M said Friday that it has been asked by the Trump administration not to supply N95 respirators to Canada amid the novel coronavirus pandemic.

[hlthe2b]

20. Guess what? NO ONE is saying they are not as valuable. BUT YOU ARE DEFENDING PROFITEERING

at the expense of our own HCWs and our response to COVID-19, which is catastrophic.

[Ms. Toad]

9. This is an international list which, if anything,

supports the OP's position. HCW are not only dying in the US - they are dying everywhere.

Sending surplus - or strategic trades for things we need might save more lives overall.

[hlthe2b]

10. We don't have SUPLUS! That's the point. As a HCW on the lines, my colleagues and I are shocked

that you don't GET IT!

[Ms. Toad]

18. We don't have an across the board surplus - definitely.

And we have extreme shortages in many areas. Obviously, we should not be sending supplies and equipment to other countries if it is supplies and equipment we are short on.

But that doesn't address the two points I was making - HCW are dying all over the place - not just in the US, as the list you posted makes crystal clear. If there are things we can do to save lives anywhere - especially among those who are putting their lives on the line - we should be doing that.

Which brings me to the second point - if we can identify things of which we have a surplus that are needed by another country, we might be able to trade for things they have that we don't.

Just as the hospitals in Ohio (as an example) are forming regional consortiums to maximize the use of resources by strategizing about who needs what where, how to sort patients to most effectively serve them, etc., we can also think of doing that globally - to address the critical safety needs of HCW everywhere.

[hlthe2b]

21. No surplus emphasizes the need to restrict exports. THAT DOES NOT EQUATE TO not wishing to

help others. This is just assinine to suggest and insensitive as hell as our own are dying and we are now on a trajectory to lead the world in deaths--and that INCLUDES HCWs. who are going in every day despite the risks.

[The Magistrate]

2. Of Course It Should, Sir

Any country is entitled to see to the needs of its own people first. If it is established there is a supply of critical items urplus to what is needed domestically, then exports are appropriate.

[genxlib]

3. I think the answer lies in between

The DPA should be used to determine where supplies are needed

Those considerations can include foreign entities if they truly have needs that outweigh ours (which does not seem to be the case here)

That scenario is vastly different than allowing industry to sell them overseas as part of a profit boosting bidding war.

[left-of-center2012]

8. "if they truly have needs that outweigh ours"

"The United States recorded 1,169 COVID-19 fatalities in the past 24 hours"

[genxlib]

22. Immediate followed by "(which does not seem to be the case here)"

As long as we are playing "take the quote out of context"

Besides, their is a time factor at work here. I'm talking big picture philosophy here.

We are worse off now but may not be next month.

Or considered a different way, are we going prohibit exports once we get a backlog in place. If we get caught up and have 60 day supply on hand, do we still hold onto more even though the next wave of Countries start to see critical shortages?

I'm not saying we don't need them right now. I am saying that it should all be considered in the crisis management in lieu of selling to the highest bidder.

[GemDigger]

13. So what you are saying is because we are not in a soldier to soldier war

that we should put the US at the back of the list? Because? We don't give a fuck if our people die?

That is what I am seeing from your post.

[hlthe2b]

16. That is EXACTLY what he is saying. Contemptible.

[GemDigger]

25. Deplorable.

[Cirque du So-What]

17. Are you economically libertarian?

Practically every post I see from you seems to extol the virtues of unfettered capitalismm. Last week it was admiring the entrepreneurial spirit of some assclown selling 4-packs of shit paper from the back of his car in a parking lot.

[drray23]

23. Contemptible. Go to the local ER and try to make this argument to workers there

Who are putting their lives on the line and see how it goes.
The primary function of the government is to provide to the welfare of its population. I would suggest you reread the preamble to the constitution.

[RB TexLa]

31. Go to one in Toronto and tell them they

Can’t buy from a company that does business in their country and they’ve been buying from for years. Tell them if they were Americans you’d consider letting them.

Guess you could explain Americans want you to buy from 3M and other companies in the US until it’s necessary to help keep you alive and then we only care about ourselves.

Kinda like having two fire hoses. Guess you’d use both on your burning house and IF you get your fire out in time maybe you’ll let your neighbor use one on what’s left of their burning house.

[Happy Hoosier]

24. Imma disagree witcha there, Dawg.

We need a classify as medical equipment as national security items right friggin' now.

We need a single point Federal supply chain manager who decides along with their staff who gets what medical equipment and when.

Now is not the time for markets. If, and only if, we are in a position to export equipment, we need to choose to where and when.

[crickets]

26. Bingo. nt

[Hoyt]

27. Yep, we are not at war with other countries, particularly poor countries. "America First" sucks.

[msongs]

28. Jared Kushner is hiring nt

[RB TexLa]

29. They are the ones stopping 3M from selling to their Canadian and Latin American customers

You are siding with trump

So go apply.

[Lars39]

30. Sweet how you stick your head out every so often

[jmg257]

32. Sure it should. That's what it is there for. Make sure our front-liners have what they need

in their war to stay alive, then export. Health care workers make up like 20% of cases...they face it all day every day. They need the equipment.

Nurses battling on the front line of the coronavirus crisis begged Friday for desperately needed supplies outside Mount Sinai Hospital on the Upper East Side, where they say their pleas have mostly fallen on deaf ears.

The dozen or so nurses held up signs saying, “We Will Not Be Your Body Bags” along with photos of assistant nursing manager Kious Kelly of Mount Sinai West and Jacobi Medical Center nurse Freda Ocran, both lost to COVID-19.

...
“We just started getting [N-95 masks] over the weekend, when we needed them weeks and weeks ago,” Winslow added.