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SuprstitionAintthWay

(386 posts)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:10 PM Apr 2020

Capt. Crozier was inspired by TR saving his men from yellow fever in 1898 Cuba.

Last edited Mon Apr 6, 2020, 06:14 PM - Edit history (2)

Wednesday Trump said about the captain of the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt, I want him fired.

Thursday the forgettable flunkie of the moment Trump has installed as Acting Secretary of the Navy fired the Roosevelt's Captain Crozier.


We now have fascinating additional historical background. In case you haven't seen Tweed Roosevelt's NYT column yet, please read it.

Captain Crozier
Is a Hero.
Theodore Roosevelt,
My Great-Grandfather,
Would Agree.

April 3, 2020 by Tweed Roosevelt. Roosevelt is a great-grandson of Theodore Roosevelt and the chairman of the Theodore Roosevelt Institute at Long Island University.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/opinion/coronavirus-crozier-roosevelt.html

[my extreme condensation of key parts:]

...I often wonder, in situations like this, what Theodore Roosevelt would have done. In this case, though, I know exactly what he would have done. In 1898, he found himself in almost the exact same position.

Before his rise to national politics, Roosevelt commanded the Rough Riders volunteer cavalry regiment in the invasion of Cuba during the Spanish-American War. The Battle of San Juan Hill had been fought and won, and the war was basically over.

However, the soldiers, still deployed in Cuba, faced a far worse enemy: yellow fever and malaria. ...Before modern medicine far more soldiers died of disease than of enemy action. The battlefield commanders in Cuba, including Roosevelt, wanted to bring the soldiers home. But the leadership in Washington -- in particular Russell Alger, the secretary of war — refused.

With the tacit approval of his fellow commanders, TR wrote a fiery open letter and released it to the press. Alger relented and the troops were sent to quarantine on the far end of Long Island.

Though hundreds of American soldiers died from yellow fever and malaria contracted in Cuba, the evacuation off of the island doubtless saved the lives of many others

[end of my condensed version. please read the whole column!]

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(This being DU,) First, a couple of caveats: 1. The Spanish-American War was a big, bloody land grab on the United State's part, conducted on trumped-up pretenses. It was brazen colonialism. Spain's colonial empire was disintegrating and we went out and got pieces of it while such overt western colonialsm was still a thing. (My own father served in our Navy in Cuba in 1938-39. And, coincidentally, in WWII with MacArthur in New Guinea, was stricken with malaria and evacuated home. An evacuation needless to say I am extremely grateful for. I was born a dozen years later.) Caveat 2. Teddy Roosevelt was a complicated man, a roaring fireball of much of both the best and worst about America. On steroids -- his great aspects were among our greatest, his worst (which thankfully were fewer) were among our worst. Little of this is disputed anymore.

None of that is what this post is about. It's about a leader's responsibility to the personnel under his or her command.


On to this weekend's insight:

I've realized from TR's great-grandson's column in the Times, that before he acted this week Capt. Crozier WOULD HAVE KNOWN that yellow fever & malaria part of Teddy Roosevelt's history in Cuba.

Captain Crozier drew inspiration and additional strength to act FROM THE SHIP'S NAMESAKE HIMSELF.

This has to be the case. There are only... 11(?) large aircraft carriers in our fleet. A single carrier task force of ships costs very many billions of dollars. The handful of officers the Navy chooses to command those carriers are brilliant and exceptional individuals. Some of our nation's best. Most are not mere warriors, but warrior-scholars, experts not just in naval warfare, but having wide knowledge of America and the world and the histories of both.

Roosevelt himself was a hyper-intellectual, a lifelong voracious reader, and authored books himself. I guarantee that after Capt. Crozier was picked to command the U.S.S. Teddy Roosevelt, by the time he was piped aboard it was after already having read multiple TR biographies as well as TR's own books.

Naval officers are taught about about TR to begin with. I was a naval officer, and I was. TR, for all his faults, was one of our great Secretaries of the Navy*. (Quite the irony, that -- see our miserable, craven Acting SecNav last week.) [* MAJOR CORRECTION: My how much I've forgotten. TR only made it to ASSISTANT Secretary of the Navy. As such though, and being TR, he had more influence on the service than most actual SecNavs.] And later as President he built the Great White Fleet, America's first truly global navy and its largest since the Civil War.

Last week Capt. Crozier had to have been struck by the parallels of the situation he was in, with Roosevelt's own in 1898, his troops needlessly dying around him. Both of them facing the outbreak of deadly disease among the men - and today, women - each was responsible for. Struck by the irony as well, for this disaster to be happening first -- well, we hope it was the first -- on this particular aircraft carrier. (All told, this has been an event just full of irony.)

What would Roosevelt himself have done?

Crozier didn't even have to research that. He already knew. His bold and selfless action this past week was a direct echo, although a LESS insubordinate one, of the ship's namesake himself!

Carpe Diem. Seize the Day.

It frankly would have been a disgrace to the great American, the ship's namesake, to do anything else short of saving his crew, be damned with any costs to himself. Capt. Crozier last week understood that, too.

As Tweed Roosevelt writes in his column, TR had been in line to receive the Congressional Medal of Honor after Cuba. But Secretary of War Alger was furious at him over his yellow fever/malaria public actions, and took revenge by derailing the medal. Alger was the Trump of 1899.

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Capt. Crozier was inspired by TR saving his men from yellow fever in 1898 Cuba. (Original Post) SuprstitionAintthWay Apr 2020 OP
Going by every criteria duforsure Apr 2020 #1
It is being reported that Captain Crozier Bev54 Apr 2020 #2
No surprise. No captain worthy of the title has ever hid in his cabin when his ship was in danger. SuprstitionAintthWay Apr 2020 #5
The next DEM president must appoint a Sec. of Navy to clean out NCjack Apr 2020 #3
USS TR sailor to Trump's Acting SecNav when he called Cptn Crozier stupid: STFU!! SuprstitionAintthWay Apr 2020 #6
it was bad judgement to pull into Danang soryang Apr 2020 #4

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
1. Going by every criteria
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:20 PM
Apr 2020

General trump has failed miserably, and loves to think of himself as someone great, while the truth shows us his disasters and crimes against humanity, and should be the one forced out , now, not others. republicans should be worried, every day longer they wait to remove him , their situation will worsen .

5. No surprise. No captain worthy of the title has ever hid in his cabin when his ship was in danger.
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 02:25 PM
Apr 2020

Reportedly he requested 90% of the ship's crew be sent ashore, for treatment of the infected and the quarantining and safety of the others.

Any captain himself would not have been among that 90%, of course. In such a crisis, until forced to to leave the Roosevelt by a positive test, or forced ashore like he was by being stripped of his command by our clueless, run-amok Man-Child-In-Chief, the captain would have remained on the infectious vessel as long as any crew were still aboard and still in danger.

(Since it's nuke powered, there will always be at least nuke engineering crew aboard.)

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
3. The next DEM president must appoint a Sec. of Navy to clean out
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:46 PM
Apr 2020

nest of quislings and MAGAts in top command of the Navy.

6. USS TR sailor to Trump's Acting SecNav when he called Cptn Crozier stupid: STFU!!
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 06:07 PM
Apr 2020

"Shut the F*** up": What one sailor shouted when Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly flew to Guam and told fired aircraft carrier's captain's crew their hero 'was too naive or too stupid to be a commanding officer'

By Emily Goodin, Senior U.S. Political Reporter For Dailymail.com
11:29 EDT 06 Apr 2020 

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Most satisfying thing I've read all day!

soryang

(3,299 posts)
4. it was bad judgement to pull into Danang
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:47 PM
Apr 2020

It is likely this decision was forced on the chain of command. Pompeo, Esper, Stilwell, and O'Brien no doubt thought it was a great idea to make a port call on the South China Sea during a pandemic. Cruise ships had already been denied entry to Southeast Asian ports for weeks. The fiasco onboard the Diamond Princess in Osaka was well underway by the time the Navy decided not to cancel their Danang port call.

I think all this other discussion is a way to avoid examination of the real issue of poor military decision making concerning the Roosevelt.

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