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kpete

(71,984 posts)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:00 PM Apr 2020

TX Gov Abbot Says 30 Patients At A Senior Living Facility Are Being Treated with Hydroxycholorquine

A group of nursing home residents in Texas City who have tested positive for the new coronavirus are being treated with the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine, Gov. Greg Abbott said Monday.

The announcement of the drug's use for the elderly patients comes as medical professionals and elected officials across the country debate whether the unproven drug is safe for patients diagnosed with COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus. President Donald Trump has enthusiastically touted the drug, and the federal government has approved it on an emergency basis in some COVID-19 cases, though medical experts have been far less willing to embrace its widespread use.

Abbott said the patients getting the drug are from The Resort at Texas City, a senior living facility where over 80 residents and workers have tested positive for the new coronavirus. "About 30" patients who are infected are being treated with hydroxycholorquine to "determine whether or not it will be a successful treatment for those patients," Abbott said.

"They are, for the most part, in their second day of this testing regimen that will last several more days," Abbott said during a news conference in Austin about the state's response to the pandemic. "We look forward to updating you as the week progresses about how this drug is aiding or not these patients."


https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/06/texas-city-coronavirus-patients-get-unproven-hydroxychloroquine-drug/

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TX Gov Abbot Says 30 Patients At A Senior Living Facility Are Being Treated with Hydroxycholorquine (Original Post) kpete Apr 2020 OP
Crimes against humanity law suits coming up malaise Apr 2020 #1
Unbelievable! If any of them dies from this experiment, they'll probably burn the place down! Judi Lynn Apr 2020 #9
Law suits? He should be hanged as a war criminal DBoon Apr 2020 #12
Whatever happened to a double-blind study? IggleDuer Apr 2020 #2
how does it affect the heart?, elderly people, I'm sure many have heart conditions Demonaut Apr 2020 #3
Did those people signed the contract papers already for that to happen? Mystery sage Apr 2020 #4
And how many are competent to do so? klook Apr 2020 #8
Unbelievable. Experimenting on the elderly because ecstatic Apr 2020 #5
Well, if they won't die for the economy, maybe we can blind them for Novartis!! hatrack Apr 2020 #6
Some products that may interact with this drug include: eleny Apr 2020 #7
Are there, you know, like, any actual FUCKING MEDICAL DOCTORS involved here?? Leghorn21 Apr 2020 #10
So that means about 20% of those eventually admitted to ICU will die regardless. Freethinker65 Apr 2020 #11
I'm going to guess that any resulting deaths will not be counted as covid related. yonder Apr 2020 #13
I wonder if they thought about how it will react with the rest of their normal drug regiment. GemDigger Apr 2020 #14
I'm uneasy about this MustLoveBeagles Apr 2020 #15
Dr. Abbott knows best. dalton99a Apr 2020 #16
So... Windy City Charlie Apr 2020 #17
Yep, Granny's a lab rat. backscatter712 Apr 2020 #20
The treatment with Hydroxychloroquine I don't particularly have a problem with, BUT.. Rstrstx Apr 2020 #18
Don't worry, the Magic Drug is on its way!!! backscatter712 Apr 2020 #19

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
9. Unbelievable! If any of them dies from this experiment, they'll probably burn the place down!
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:12 PM
Apr 2020

I really never expected someone to do something like this, never, never, never.

Lock Abbott and Trump and every scum between them up.

Demonaut

(8,914 posts)
3. how does it affect the heart?, elderly people, I'm sure many have heart conditions
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:04 PM
Apr 2020

I think this is going to get ugly fast

klook

(12,154 posts)
8. And how many are competent to do so?
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:11 PM
Apr 2020

Did their next of kin approve this? What kind of coercion/incentives were there?

I would be raising holy hell if this was an elderly family member with dementia.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
6. Well, if they won't die for the economy, maybe we can blind them for Novartis!!
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:07 PM
Apr 2020

EDIT

Cases of Chloroquine retinopathy seen at the Retina and Vitreous Unit of the University College Hospital, Ibadan between 2008 and 2014 were reviewed. Information on age, sex, duration of chloroquine use, and visual loss were retrieved. Visual acuity at presentation, anterior, and posterior segment findings were documented. The results were analyzed using proportions and percentages.
Results

Fourteen cases were seen during the study period. Mean age was 50.7 years. Male to female ratio was 3.5?:?1. Average duration of visual loss before presentation was 2.7 years. Average duration of self-medication with chloroquine was 5.3 years. Presenting visual acuity showed 2(14%) cases of bilateral blindness(VA<3/60 in both eyes); 5(35.7%) cases of uniocular blindness; three cases of bilateral low vision(VA worse than 6/18 but better than 3/60). Anterior segment examination showed abnormal sluggish pupillary reaction in those with severe affectation. Dilated fundoscopy showed features ranging from mild macular pigmentary changes and bulls eye maculopathy to overt extensive retinal degeneration involving the posterior pole, attenuation of retinal vessels, optic atrophy, and beaten bronze appearance of atrophic maculopathy.

EDIT

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4709532/

eleny

(46,166 posts)
7. Some products that may interact with this drug include:
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:09 PM
Apr 2020

... ampicillin, cimetidine, digoxin, penicillamine.

Before using this medication, tell your doctor or pharmacist your medical history, especially of: certain eye problems (macular disease, retinal or visual field problems from other aminoquinolines such as chloroquine), alcohol dependency, certain blood disorder (porphyria), certain genetic problem (G-6-PD deficiency), diabetes, kidney disease, liver disease, certain skin problems (e.g., atopic dermatitis, psoriasis).

The risk of QT prolongation may be increased if you have certain medical conditions or are taking other drugs that may cause QT prolongation. Before using hydroxychloroquine, tell your doctor or pharmacist of all the drugs you take and if you have any of the following conditions: certain heart problems (heart failure, slow heartbeat, QT prolongation in the EKG), family history of certain heart problems (QT prolongation in the EKG, sudden cardiac death).

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482/hydroxychloroquine-oral/details

Wanna bet that some of those elderly, afflicted have heart problems and are taking digoxin, have diabete or kidney issues?

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
10. Are there, you know, like, any actual FUCKING MEDICAL DOCTORS involved here??
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:13 PM
Apr 2020

I better get offline ASAP, my wee biddy brain just caught on fire

As my favorite sailor put it yesterday, “What the FUCK??!”

Freethinker65

(10,009 posts)
11. So that means about 20% of those eventually admitted to ICU will die regardless.
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:13 PM
Apr 2020

just as if they did not get treated with the drug.

yonder

(9,663 posts)
13. I'm going to guess that any resulting deaths will not be counted as covid related.
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:17 PM
Apr 2020

Even though presumably they are being treated for it.

MustLoveBeagles

(11,591 posts)
15. I'm uneasy about this
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:46 PM
Apr 2020

From the article:

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has authorized the drug for “emergency use” among some COVID-19 patients “for whom a clinical trial is not feasible.” But medical experts caution that it is untested and carries significant risks, including heart arrhythmia that can lead to cardiac arrest.


Does this mean that patients can be given the drug without their or their medical power of attorney's consent?

dalton99a

(81,451 posts)
16. Dr. Abbott knows best.
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:48 PM
Apr 2020

His clinical decision is based on Dr. Trump's extensive and fantastic medical research



backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
20. Yep, Granny's a lab rat.
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 12:29 AM
Apr 2020

I remember the days when the FDA tested drugs before certifying them for use to treat a condition...

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
18. The treatment with Hydroxychloroquine I don't particularly have a problem with, BUT..
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 12:25 AM
Apr 2020

..I do have a really big problem with this part:

The doctor who prescribed it to 27 residents of The Resort at Texas City was Robin Armstrong, the nursing home’s medical director and a prominent GOP activist who serves as a surrogate for the Trump campaign. The drug’s efficacy is being tested at the nursing home, where more than 80 residents and workers have tested positive for the new coronavirus, as its role in treating COVID-19 patients is debated across the country. The federal government has approved it on an emergency basis in some COVID-19 cases, though medical experts — including some inside the Trump administration — have been far less willing to embrace its widespread use.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
19. Don't worry, the Magic Drug is on its way!!!
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 12:28 AM
Apr 2020

It boggles my mind how anyone can follow the lead of that clown-faced senile carnival barker.

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