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Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:09 PM

Why do so many incompetent men become leaders and what can we do about it?

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Reply Why do so many incompetent men become leaders and what can we do about it? (Original post)
SharonAnn Apr 2020 OP
c-rational Apr 2020 #1
I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2020 #2
Stuart G Apr 2020 #3
SharonAnn Apr 2020 #4
spooky3 Apr 2020 #5
Whiskeytide Apr 2020 #6
unblock Apr 2020 #7
Yavin4 Apr 2020 #8
moondust Apr 2020 #9
kurtcagle Apr 2020 #10

Response to SharonAnn (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:17 PM

1. Good article. Thanks for posting.

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Response to SharonAnn (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:19 PM

2. They appear confident and competant

On the surface. Than they create toxic corporate culture to serve themselves.

Corporate structure favors narcissists.

You'd have to do away with the profit/ growth inperative.

Restructure them to serve the general welfare first and remove corporate personhood and break up all monopolies. Keep businesses small and managable.
So they can put people over profit. And reinstate glass steagle and the fairness doctrine to report anytime a business goes toxic,and have them made into co-ops.

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Response to SharonAnn (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:25 PM

3. I would disagree with all of it.

There was a movie once called, "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly..It works out that way..
Some are good, & some are bad, Trump is very bad & Ugly

..In 2008 we elected the good.
..In 2016..?? Maybe we did really elect a good woman, but questions of fixing the votes??? but we got the bad & ugly instead...
..2000..?? again a question votes?? Bad won out
..1932...Good won out 4 times..after that good won out again..
...1952...Well it looked like that bad won, but it wasn't so bad..kinda like medium..that one did some good things..
...etc....etc...etc..

............Therefore all are not "incompetent men.....in my opinion...

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:32 PM

4. Not all men, but "so many incompetent men"

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Response to SharonAnn (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:39 PM

5. This pretty well sums up 2016. Nt

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Response to SharonAnn (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:47 PM

6. Great article. It's one of those "so ...

... obvious how could I have not thought of itĒ things.

Iíve pondered why so many republican politicians are nothing but frauds and con men. Itís like itís part of the job description.

I think itís because the party merged with the religious right 50 years ago. All republican candidates now have to openly and vigorously profess their love and commitment to Jesus, or they will never survive their primaries. We know 95% of them are just paying it lip service (Тяцмр is a prime example).

So what kind of people can convincingly do that - enough to get the vote? Con men. Thatís what they are good at. So the republican primaries are like advertisements for the most morally bankrupt assholes in society. Тяцмр, the king of con men, should have surprised no one.

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Response to SharonAnn (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:58 PM

7. Too many people and especially too many interests do *not* want competence

It's true that people can presume men to be competent even when they're not, and many men presume themselves to be competent when they're not.

But more fundamentally, many people don't want competent leaders. They're told to want people they can "have a beer with" or "is one of them". Or simply, they just want any moron who will cut their taxes and just don't care about anything else.

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Response to SharonAnn (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 11:03 PM

8. I would refine that with "incompetent White men"

People of Color and women have to prove their competency every day all day. It's like a perpetual SAT exam.

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Response to SharonAnn (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 11:54 PM

9. Pampered Princelings?

Donald Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, and the Rule of Pampered Princelings


Inherit a fortune and you can simply buy your way to the top without ever learning a thing or lifting a finger. See: Trump, Devos, etc.

Solution: Meritocracy.

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Response to SharonAnn (Original post)

Tue Apr 7, 2020, 12:40 AM

10. Competence vs Confidence

I spend a lot of time studying the concepts of introversion and extroversion. This is an innate characteristic, driven primarily by how your brain processes dopamine. Most people tend to fall into one of three clusters, though there are outliers: introverts typically have a high degree of receptivity to dopamine, and as such can be overstimulated quickly. They usually need to pull back from things such as social engagement periodically in order to let dopamine-based stimulation drop to acceptable levels. Extroverts have low dopamine sensitivity, and as such need much higher levels of stimulation before they reach that peak. Ambiverts are somewhere in the middle, though generally are more towards the introvert side of the spectrum. Extroverts make up about 50% of the populace, ambiverts about 15% and introverts about 35%.

Introverts, in general, gravitate towards activities that are self-focused - reading, writing, drawing, science, solo sports, music, programming, design and so forth. They generally are awkward socially as kids, and usually feel that the only way that they will make a difference is by becoming more skilled in certain areas, which in turn means spending more time early in gaining competence even while suffering from a lack of self-confidence. They do not start out as being more intelligent, but they spend more time engaged in learning activities, and so acquire knowledge at a more rapid clip than their extroverted kindred.

Extroverts, on the other hand, crave social interaction. They are often more sexually active earlier, become adept at presenting themselves as confident, and usually tend to reach success earlier in their lives because they are less risk-averse. However, that same glib self-assurance comes at the expense of gaining competence, and in more extreme cases (especially when factoring in socio-economic background) can result in a degree of intellectual laziness that translates into a lack of competence. What's worse is that this can be exacerbated by the Dunning-Kruger effect, in which they overestimate their own competence because they simply don't know enough to be able to make meaningful judgments about how competent they really are.

This becomes most heavily in evidence with narcissists, who are extreme extroverts who need near-constant positive stimulation, who usually come from a privileged background, and who combine the worst aspects of too much self-confidence with too little actual competence. Such people fear people who are competent, because those people can expose the lack of competence that the narcissist has, and as such, they will do whatever they can to belittle, demean, attack and vilify the competent people in their orbits.

Narcissists may overlap with psychopaths (this is actually what is meant by a malignant narcissist). The psychopath had no real sense of personal compassion and can frequently exhibit sadistic behavior because it is the only way that they can get a dopamine "buzz". They are supremely confident, and as such they likewise attract extroverts who are drawn to strong authoritarian figures, and who typically despise introverts because they don't play by social rules that extroverts recognize.

Many, as a guess as much as 80% of, Republicans are extroverts. Democrats tend to run the gamut, though perhaps 60% are introverts. Trumpians are dominantly extroverts at the extreme end, and a lot of their worldview is shaped by the belief that confidence is far more important than competence in the real world - they have no real use for (and a great deal of distrust of) introverts. They also tend to cluster around the middle of the bell curve (on both sides, but usually not far from the average IQ). Most Trumpians aren't stupid, but they are highly conformist, and general see introverts as "them".

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