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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 09:27 AM Apr 2020

David Corn: Will Trump and His Enablers Ever Face Accountability for the Coronavirus Massacre?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/04/will-trump-and-his-enablers-ever-face-accountability-for-the-coronavirus-massacre/


Will Trump and His Enablers Ever Face Accountability for the Coronavirus Massacre?
The Iraq War is not a good precedent.
David Corn
Washington, DC, Bureau ChiefBio | Follow

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There has been an endless series of profound errors committed by Trump and his administration prior to and during this horrific crisis. Then–national security adviser John Bolton shut down the White House’s global health security office in 2018; the Trump team ignored a pandemic playbook left for it by the Obama administration. And Trump, the malignant narcissist, has, to no one’s surprise, explicitly rejected all responsibility for the glaring missteps and deadly miscalculations. Instead, he has boasted about the ratings for his daily press briefings.

Trump and adoring sidekick Mike Pence will face a moment of judgment in November, when voters will render a verdict. But what of all the others who helped make this moment of mass-death possible? The Dear Leader crowd that supports Trump no matter what has echoed, protected, defended, and bolstered him as he has guided the nation into a nightmare of economic calamity and rampant death. You know who they are. (If not, watch this.) White House advisers Kellyanne Conway and Larry Kudlow—who each will likely look for remunerative gigs after their time with Trump—both claimed the coronavirus was “contained.” Trump’s newly acquired press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, proclaimed in February, “We will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here..and isn’t it refreshing when contrasting it with the awful presidency of President Obama.” Rush Limbaugh told his millions of Dittohead listeners that the coronavirus was no worse than the “common cold.” (Should he give back the Medal of Freedom Trump awarded him in February?) Numerous Fox-heads, including Hannity and Laura Ingraham, misled the public, reinforcing Trump’s insistence that the threat was a hoax and discounting the seriousness of this virus. Only Trish Regan was booted by Fox after she derided what she called the “coronavirus impeachment scam.” The others have remained in place.

Then there is the Republican Party. None of its leaders have dared to challenge Trump
, as he misrepresented the threat and lied about his administration’s response. Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) encouraged his constituents to ignore calls for social distancing and to go to restaurants. Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) mocked concerns about the virus by wearing a gas mask on the House floor. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) never publicly questioned Trump’s multiple blunders, and they continued to lead their party in a cultlike manner of total obeisance to Trump. Many others share the blame. Conservative and right-wing evangelical leaders, including Jerry Falwell Jr. of Liberty University and Matt Schlapp of the American Conservative Union, reinforced the no-big-deal theme that was pushed by Trump’s White House and have considered Trump faultless.

So with thousands of Americans dying in part because of Trump’s feckless and reckless response, who will be held responsible? Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), who prosecuted the impeachment case against Trump, has proposed creating a coronavirus commission like the 9/11 commission that investigated all the mistakes and misconceptions that preceded that horrible attack. The 9/11 commission produced a detailed and elegantly written report that offered a stunning indictment of the Bush-Cheney administration and the US intelligence community. (Still, Bush and Cheney were reelected.) But one can expect Trump, the Republicans, and their amen choir to rabidly oppose Schiff’s idea (as Bush opposed establishing the 9/11 commission).

American society does not do accountability well. The instigators of the Iraq War did not suffer. Nor did the bankers who crashed the US economy in 2008. We do have elections, and Trump, Pence, and their Republican handmaids will be on the ballot in seven months. But what of the Fox barkers, the conservative movement that has become no more than a promotion vehicle for Trumpjackery, and the entire right-wing noise machine? With their obsessive devotion to Trump, they all have helped pave the way to a national massacre. Will they be able to wash the blood off their hands? Can a large and deplorable slice of the national political media apparatus be judged guilty of murderous culpability and locked up (metaphorically)?

“Nations should have memories,” Frederick Douglass once said. But Gore Vidal frequently referred to the “United States of Amnesia.” And the past is not a good prelude for accountability. Too often the culprits who contributed to death and destruction end up skating along, even experiencing personal benefit. At this moment, the priority for the nation is to rise above Trump’s incompetence and contend with a killer virus that is robbing us of our friends, neighbors, and loved ones and causing severe economic and societal dislocation. But there ought to come a time for a tallying: who did what when, during a life-and-death national crisis. And it is not too early to be collecting receipts. None of this should be forgotten.
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David Corn: Will Trump and His Enablers Ever Face Accountability for the Coronavirus Massacre? (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2020 OP
I think Democracy is over.... FarPoint Apr 2020 #1
No, they'll never face any charges even if we get a democratic president and blueinredohio Apr 2020 #3
It is over if people like you give up and spread doom and gloom. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #28
+1 BadgerMom Apr 2020 #34
I'm not intentionally spreading doom and gloom.. FarPoint Apr 2020 #52
Then be aware that you are spreading doom & gloom, unintentionally or otherwise. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #54
It's fair discussion..... FarPoint Apr 2020 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Apr 2020 #58
defeatism is premature as long as liberals/demss ignoire talk radio - the biggest political mistake certainot Apr 2020 #42
I'm afraid you're going to let talk radio affect your health. oldsoftie Apr 2020 #45
global warming and COVID are two examples of DISINFORMATION that have had a certainot Apr 2020 #57
You are correct, and I it absolutely has an effect on how people think Tumbulu Apr 2020 #68
thanks. this is really a perfect storm for destroying rw/putin radio, with their part in certainot Apr 2020 #71
I so hope that you are right! Tumbulu Apr 2020 #72
I don't want his health effected, but I disagree with you Tumbulu Apr 2020 #69
Bingo FP...... DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #47
That's what Putin wants the whole world to think BComplex Apr 2020 #60
I agree. Sadly. We're seeing the vestiges and I shudder to live love laugh Apr 2020 #62
Oh, Americans demand accountability... NCDem47 Apr 2020 #2
That's Because Democrats Hold Their Leaders Accountable sfstaxprep Apr 2020 #8
it doesnt help when we let rw radio blame-shift all day long certainot Apr 2020 #44
trump has never faced ANY accountability spanone Apr 2020 #4
To be precise..... MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #35
In my opinion the greatest single mistake Obama made was when he decided gibraltar72 Apr 2020 #5
Yep malaise Apr 2020 #9
I think his largest mistake was ignoring the role of the hate am radio propaganda machine Tumbulu Apr 2020 #13
You have identified a key source promoting hatred and racism in this country. Lonestarblue Apr 2020 #22
Well said- I agree! Tumbulu Apr 2020 #64
Even now my wife gets mad at me when I Solomon Apr 2020 #25
"I hear the callers spouting the exact same crap you hear on the radio." MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #37
It is! And I believe that that is how it happened, this coup Tumbulu Apr 2020 #65
Ignoring hate radio & the right wing media machine is the stupidest thing the dems/left have done, CrispyQ Apr 2020 #36
I know!!!!!! The real question is why????? Tumbulu Apr 2020 #66
I like what you said: MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #39
Yes, that is it exactly- a Gentlemen in a pigsty Tumbulu Apr 2020 #67
bookends of the bush administration rampartc Apr 2020 #17
For years I've said there will be no true justice in America... CaptainTruth Apr 2020 #24
Yes. If you can get away with that, you can get away with Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2020 #32
The only way he would be held... N_E_1 for Tennis Apr 2020 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Apr 2020 #59
10,000 counts of Manslaughter--so far. CaptYossarian Apr 2020 #7
Thank you and David Corn saidsimplesimon Apr 2020 #10
K&R Solly Mack Apr 2020 #11
Calling it a massacre is a good idea bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #12
i don't really think so....... Takket Apr 2020 #14
Those children were babylonsister Apr 2020 #19
Excellent analysis!! young_at_heart Apr 2020 #15
We need retribution to set standards that every president should live by. Baitball Blogger Apr 2020 #16
I like retribution way better than American "justice." hay rick Apr 2020 #20
Short answer, NO. They won't. flying_wahini Apr 2020 #18
It is his American carnage. dalton99a Apr 2020 #21
There must be tribunals for all of Trump's crimes and all of his accomplices Fiendish Thingy Apr 2020 #23
As much as I love and respect MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #40
The same goes for the DOJ under President Biden Fiendish Thingy Apr 2020 #48
OMG!! Isn't THAT true! MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #50
he will be a private citizen soon and we will unleash all holy hell upon his family.. samnsara Apr 2020 #26
I'm behind following through. Criminals must face penalties. ffr Apr 2020 #27
No quakerboy Apr 2020 #29
They'll never be held responsible Odawg Apr 2020 #30
Trump is not going to be reelected. Biden is winning in even the red states. Demsrule86 May 2020 #73
There was never full accountability for Watergate DBoon Apr 2020 #31
Trump will be called a hero after this is over. Mark my words. Kablooie Apr 2020 #33
Simple answer on trump accountibility;Lincoln's 'public sentiment' !!! [The Speakers' Lodestone]. empedocles Apr 2020 #38
I like it! MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #46
Nice to know some here agree with Speaker Pelosi. empedocles Apr 2020 #55
They Never Have Alvin the Terrible Apr 2020 #41
No. oldsoftie Apr 2020 #43
If Biden doesn't , and says for the good of the country BS duforsure Apr 2020 #49
AG Kamala Harris will prosecute these grifters. sarcasmo Apr 2020 #51
Apparently Corn hasn't heard of Betteridge's Law of Headlines. sop Apr 2020 #53
David, you've been reporting long enough to know the answer to your own question. nt Hotler Apr 2020 #61
call it a massacre bdamomma Apr 2020 #63
I want that whole cabal in jail AmericanCanuck Apr 2020 #70

FarPoint

(12,342 posts)
1. I think Democracy is over....
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 09:28 AM
Apr 2020

The republicans are primary players here who refuse to look beyond the pleasure of the greedy pot of gold they get with tRump….It is over.

my opinion.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
3. No, they'll never face any charges even if we get a democratic president and
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 09:40 AM
Apr 2020

both houses. Once they're out of office normally all is forgiven. What pisses me off the most is the republicans that will be back peddling how they really weren't behind Trump but but but.....

Response to FarPoint (Reply #56)

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
42. defeatism is premature as long as liberals/demss ignoire talk radio - the biggest political mistake
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:14 PM
Apr 2020

in history.

giving up while continuing to ignore talk radio is what putin would want

republicans like trump is heavily dependent on talk radio and more specifically, democrats continuing to ignore it. that is the key to destroying these shits — doing something different, and with limbaugh possibly croaking in the near future the ad industry, the GOP, and trump admin must be nervous — the talk radio monopoly was built around him.

advertisers on any rw radio station that’s been denying covid are responsible for this as well as trump. and for decades of global warming denial. those stations are not doing ‘political’ — they might as well be working for putin. those stations and the advertisers and university and pro sports broadcasting that keeps them going need to hear total disgust and shunning from us.

if limbaugh had criticized trump for his response and began warning about covid all the other bllowhards and fox would have had to follow and so would trump.

recognizing talk radio and limbaugh’s part in this, not to mention getting trump even close to the WH opens a whole world of opportunities relative to so many issues besides corona. in desantis/ florida for instance, 20 llimbaugh stations need democrats to keep ignoring the fact that 5 universities broadcast on/endorse/support 20 limbaugh stations

convince one of those schools how stupid that is and the other schools would have to follow. those stations and their advertisers just endorsed 2 months of denying covid. if trump was paying $1000/hr for RW radio support and covid denial (that is now switching to blaming dems) those 20 stations x 15 hrs/day would be worth $1.5 MIL/WEEK! free for desantis and trump in florida alone. what was that in terms of that close race where desantis scraped by with a shitload of voter suppression those stations sold for years?

from fakenewsradio.org, FLORIDA 20 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2

a few letters to the ed in the state might make a difference, for instance, with uni admins with nothing to do….

its the same in many states - without their rw radio advantage the cons and trump are fucked. with llimbaugh with heavy cancer it wouldn't take much pressure to force the ad industry to break up the monopoly






oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
45. I'm afraid you're going to let talk radio affect your health.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:31 PM
Apr 2020

Please dont!
Dont give them power they dont have. They dont convert anyone. The limbaugh listeners will simply find someone just like him whenever he stops his show. Only personal experiences will change the minds of the right wingers. I mentioned here awhile back that i had to listen to Limbaugh for 2-3 days a week for 20 YEARS. He didnt change what i believe or how I vote. His show; and the others, are just a big echo chamber. You dont stumble onto his show and suddenly become a GOP voter. You LOOK for him and his ilk to back up what you already think.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
57. global warming and COVID are two examples of DISINFORMATION that have had a
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:43 PM
Apr 2020

huge impact not because they reinforce preconceptions

talk radio is different from other media - it dominates many parts of the country where there are no free easy alts for politics and it has a huge secondary and tertiary effect on large parts of the population that are too busy or apathetic to look for truth and fact.

allowing a monopoly of coordinated radio stations to pump out lies without challenge on 1500 radio stations licensed to operate in the public interest is exactly why we're in this mess

the hate radio monopoly is the only major medium that operates outside free speech, democratic, and market/demand feedback mechanisms

btw- it energizes me!

Tumbulu

(6,274 posts)
68. You are correct, and I it absolutely has an effect on how people think
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 09:56 PM
Apr 2020

I’ve lived and worked in rural areas my adult life. Why do you think those guys who took over the wildlife reserve got freed? It has utterly infected the minds of rural people everywhere.

It is ignored opal our peril.

I love your ideas on how to get if finished with once and for all!

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
71. thanks. this is really a perfect storm for destroying rw/putin radio, with their part in
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:02 PM
Apr 2020

this disaster clear and recorded and no excuse for most of its advertisers and sports teams to desert them

it wouldn't take much aactitvism to get the attention of the ad industry, which is nervous about limbaugh hacking his lungs out on the radio

Tumbulu

(6,274 posts)
69. I don't want his health effected, but I disagree with you
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 09:58 PM
Apr 2020

Maybe you were not swayed, but a whole lot of people that I know and even like and respect have been swayed. I think it is because it is so constant over so many decades now. It is just corrosive and it is why we have Trump and Republicans strangling us. It is where the tea party came from.

DENVERPOPS

(8,810 posts)
47. Bingo FP......
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:41 PM
Apr 2020

Some of us, who have been screaming our heads off for forty years, are welcoming those who just recently arrived at the Party......

WHILE THE NATION SLEPT would be a great title for this book, except that title has already been taken......

Many who have been observing what has been going on for some time now, are drawing the conclusion at this point, that this new group of Republicans, and their cabal are one millimeter away from pulling off a complete COUP.......

We are now in checkmate, with the next move by Republicans being the actual installation of a Corporate Fascist Tyranny.........

Barring some miracle, WASF

Years ago, I remember some Bush aide saying to a reporter: We will do, and all you and the American people can do is stand back and watch..........Tell me that what he said has been proven wrong.......

BComplex

(8,041 posts)
60. That's what Putin wants the whole world to think
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 04:05 PM
Apr 2020

And trump and the republicans are like baby ducks, waddling after their mama Putin....swimming in Chernobyl waters.

live love laugh

(13,100 posts)
62. I agree. Sadly. We're seeing the vestiges and I shudder to
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 05:24 PM
Apr 2020

at the inevitability of the next extermination on American soil.

NCDem47

(2,248 posts)
2. Oh, Americans demand accountability...
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 09:39 AM
Apr 2020

...when DEMOCRATS are in control! Republicans always get a pass and D's get run out of office if they even look the wrong way. Horrible double standard. Infuriating!

sfstaxprep

(9,998 posts)
8. That's Because Democrats Hold Their Leaders Accountable
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 10:20 AM
Apr 2020

Repubs couldn't care less if one of their own commits crime after crime after crime, so long as they achieve their goals.

Democrats feel shame and embarrassment when a fellow Democrat does likewise.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
44. it doesnt help when we let rw radio blame-shift all day long
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:24 PM
Apr 2020

rw radio just spent 2 months calling covid a liberal hoax and now are shifting to blame this on democrats and brown people and immigrants and chinese - and of course they are also saying this death rate is highly inflated because many are dying of 'other things' - like preexisting conditions, like old age

that's what limbaugh is telling at ttis very moment to 20 mil people. the fuckjing limbaugh will do it on a national level and the local blowhards will be coordinated to do it on the local level, completely ignoring facts, and a lot of authoritarians

any advertiser on any rw radio station needs to own the deaths cause by helping trump deny covid for 2 months, posssibly to influence the elections, like when the republicans used ebola in 2014

spanone

(135,826 posts)
4. trump has never faced ANY accountability
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 09:47 AM
Apr 2020

he brazenly obstructed congress and congress let him off the hook

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
35. To be precise.....
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:56 AM
Apr 2020

it was the RepubliCon Senate who let IQ45 off of the hook - the Democratic House impeached him.

gibraltar72

(7,503 posts)
5. In my opinion the greatest single mistake Obama made was when he decided
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 09:55 AM
Apr 2020

to let George Bush off for lying us into war. If investigations had gone forward the Republican party would have been exposed for what it was and is. The Republican party would have been effectively killed. I would hope the Dems would look for the answers and hold people accountable. I think people are going to demand answers and will be accepting of the need to expose all the wrongdoing. This assumes we actually have an election of course.

Tumbulu

(6,274 posts)
13. I think his largest mistake was ignoring the role of the hate am radio propaganda machine
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 10:44 AM
Apr 2020

and the power of Fox News to amplify the propaganda.

But he was not alone. All the urban liberals seem to ignore and remain mostly unaware of the power unchecked to date of these actors. Long funded by far right figures. 3 plus decades now of it.

But his mistakes were not malicious, they were attempts at being civil with a group of monsters who take any opportunity to continue their crusade. Which they appear to me to have won.

Hoping to be proven wrong.

Lonestarblue

(9,977 posts)
22. You have identified a key source promoting hatred and racism in this country.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:19 AM
Apr 2020

In many rural areas, AM radio is all there is, other than broadcast media. On a few long drives through rural areas, I’ve listened to AM radio and been appalled—and this was before Trump was elected. I can’t imagine the utter nonsense being put on the airwaves now. I expected the hate from people like Rush Limbaugh, but what surprised me were the “Christian” shows, on which ministers (or at least they were billed as ministers) preached a gospel never found in anyone’s Bible. Mostly, the “sermons” were diatribes against baby murderers, sinful women, gays, and Democrats, along with some jibes at the welfare state.

When Democrats are back in office, they need to pass a new fairness doctrine and they need to go back to the old law limiting the ownership of media outlets.

Democrats have a lot of cleanup to do just from this maladministration, but some of the cleanup needs to undo the things Reagan did.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
25. Even now my wife gets mad at me when I
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:30 AM
Apr 2020

tell her what kind of crap they are spewing on the radio. She always says "I don't care or worry about what the assholes are saying" and we get into an argument because I see the constant non stop propaganda as a serious problem.

A serious problem. I turned on c-span every morning and hear the callers spouting the exact same crap you hear on the radio. It's infuriating.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
37. "I hear the callers spouting the exact same crap you hear on the radio."
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:01 PM
Apr 2020

They learned from their leader! If you hear it on Faux, you'll hear it as IQ45 policy the next day!

Tumbulu

(6,274 posts)
65. It is! And I believe that that is how it happened, this coup
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 09:42 PM
Apr 2020

And I do believe it is a coup.

We could not even get rid of him through an impeachment.

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
36. Ignoring hate radio & the right wing media machine is the stupidest thing the dems/left have done,
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:57 AM
Apr 2020

and still do. I don't get it. It's like our side doesn't believe in marketing. We let the other side capture the narrative on all of the issues without a challenging message from our side—for forty fucking years!

Tumbulu

(6,274 posts)
66. I know!!!!!! The real question is why?????
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 09:43 PM
Apr 2020

Why do they still ignore this? Why can’t Bloomberg buy all these stations up and turn them into music stations?

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
39. I like what you said:
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:08 PM
Apr 2020

"But his mistakes were not malicious, they were attempts at being civil with a group of monsters who take any opportunity to continue their crusade."

That is SO true - he was trying to be civil and respectful and getting no such thing in return. A "gentleman" in a fight with pigs.

I think his largest mistake was not taking the gloves off for the Merrick Garland nomination. I really don't know what he could have done - I just think about how the president has a "bully pulpit" and PRESIDENT OBAMA was never one to use it. Again, a gentleman in the pig sty.

rampartc

(5,404 posts)
17. bookends of the bush administration
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 10:59 AM
Apr 2020

at least 9/11 had an investigation.

the financial crash, and its $Ts aftermath, have not been investigated at all.

CaptainTruth

(6,588 posts)
24. For years I've said there will be no true justice in America...
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:26 AM
Apr 2020

...as long as Bush, Cheney, & the PNAC cabal walk free.

They should have been held responsible for their actions & charged with war crimes.
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
32. Yes. If you can get away with that, you can get away with
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:44 AM
Apr 2020

Anything. Why I spoke out so vehemently for pushing with all our power to stop trump early on. He's only gotten worse. Now too many are dying.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,721 posts)
6. The only way he would be held...
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 10:12 AM
Apr 2020

accountable would be by turning him loose into the general public without any security and a press release of where and when he’ll be at some certain place. The mob would dispense justice.

Response to N_E_1 for Tennis (Reply #6)

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
10. Thank you and David Corn
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 10:24 AM
Apr 2020

It's a bitter pill, the knowing that "those who deny the truth are doomed to repeat it".

bucolic_frolic

(43,132 posts)
12. Calling it a massacre is a good idea
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 10:39 AM
Apr 2020

but the Whiner-in-Chief will mitigate any adverse reaction so the MAGAt's will view it as Bury My Heart at Wounded Trump. Snowflakes! All of them!

Takket

(21,561 posts)
14. i don't really think so.......
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 10:52 AM
Apr 2020

I mean, all the evidence is there... but unfortunately we have all learned that evidence does not translate to accountability anymore.

in the broader sense Corn's article could simply be "Will Trump and His Enablers Ever Face Accountability?"

nothing came of the Mueller report
nothing came of Ukraine
nothing came of children dying in cages

what about Covid is going to be any different?

babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
19. Those children were
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:14 AM
Apr 2020

immigrants, as repulsive as that excuse is. Covid is different because so many Americans are dying. That's a big difference.

young_at_heart

(3,767 posts)
15. Excellent analysis!!
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 10:57 AM
Apr 2020

I'm hoping some of them will be charged with criminal activity....but probably not. I am outraged at their treatment of Hillary Clinton and Christine Blasey Ford and so many others!
And

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
16. We need retribution to set standards that every president should live by.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 10:57 AM
Apr 2020

The presidency should not be a place where a person can takes this country to its knees and get away with it.

hay rick

(7,605 posts)
20. I like retribution way better than American "justice."
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:18 AM
Apr 2020

And, unlike justice, it's something all Americans can understand.

flying_wahini

(6,589 posts)
18. Short answer, NO. They won't.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:10 AM
Apr 2020

If the Republicans manage to wrangle a win, we will never have fair elections OR accountability in the US again.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,585 posts)
23. There must be tribunals for all of Trump's crimes and all of his accomplices
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:24 AM
Apr 2020

Any Democrats who favours “looking forward, not back” doesn’t deserve to hold office.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
40. As much as I love and respect
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:11 PM
Apr 2020

Speaker Pelosi, I do NOT want to hear about ANYTHING being "off the table!"

Fiendish Thingy

(15,585 posts)
48. The same goes for the DOJ under President Biden
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:51 PM
Apr 2020

Although I fear we will need to revive the Independent Counsel laws to get true, complete justice.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
50. OMG!! Isn't THAT true!
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:59 PM
Apr 2020

Thinking back over the years and the relationships between the "president" and the AG - the worst I had ever seen was Nixon/Mitchell - part of the Watergate team. Mitchell actually did jail time.
Hmmmmm - wonder how Billy Barr would do around "shower time?"

ffr

(22,669 posts)
27. I'm behind following through. Criminals must face penalties.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:33 AM
Apr 2020

And the penalties must be draconian and harsh to prevent this from happening again.

quakerboy

(13,919 posts)
29. No
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:39 AM
Apr 2020

I feel hopeful we will win, and win big. But the people we are going to win with are the "let bygones be bygones" sort, not the "take it to them and make sure it never happens again" sort

 

Odawg

(37 posts)
30. They'll never be held responsible
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:40 AM
Apr 2020

And this MF will be reelected. The american people are too frightened and stupid to see what is going on. It's hopeless.

DBoon

(22,356 posts)
31. There was never full accountability for Watergate
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:43 AM
Apr 2020

There was never any accountability for Iran/Contra

This has gone on for decades.

It needs to stop now. No pardons, no sweeping malfeasance under the rug, no more making nice with criminals.

Kablooie

(18,626 posts)
33. Trump will be called a hero after this is over. Mark my words.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:47 AM
Apr 2020

And it will,possibly push him over the top to win another term.

They will say that 2 million might have died and Trump prevented that.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
38. Simple answer on trump accountibility;Lincoln's 'public sentiment' !!! [The Speakers' Lodestone].
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:02 PM
Apr 2020

In January, trump was riding high. Much higher than we on DU thought possible.

Polls showed people, and voters, at record or near record highs, that they were very content with the way things were going.

Easily measured, were small investors rushing into stock markets, as well market traders, and institutional managers, including pension funds. Stocks and housing high. Many polls reflected a lot of consumer satisfaction - including political polls. Seemed that too many were not ready to upend the Republicons.

All sorts of problems [healthcare for too many, wealth gaps, infrastructure neglect, bubbles of all kinds, epidemic, 'correction' difficulties] - were pushed to the side.

Now, with CV19 various counts, hitting closer to home, 'public sentiment' is noticeably changing. Much faster than public sentiment usually changes, [much more slowly than DUer's can barely stand]. Personally, that 40% trump support, was unbearable to me.

Situations will get worse, very possibly much worse, before leveling out even. January 2020 'happiness'/employment levels may not be reached for many years.

However, in that horrendously despairingly dark and huge cloud, the precarious silver lining may be relatively fast changes in 'public sentiment' - enough for overwhelming positive change by November, trump gone - and all that may bring.

That can be our hope.



MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
46. I like it!
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:34 PM
Apr 2020

We're looking at the public's perception of what's going on. For the past 3 years its been about things "away from here" - not close to home, especially for those supporting IQ45.

I remember about a year or so ago there was a prison guard in Florida (a tRump supporter) that was not pleased with the 2018 voting, what with the Dems regaining control of the House. She was complaining about the job IQ45 was doing. Her quote was: "He's not hurting the people he should be hurting."

So now?

"Wait - this is happening to me?"

Yes, people are "forced" to stay home - out of work - kids are not in school - shopping is not what it "should" be - money issues are getting ugly - neighbors/friends are actually sick. Who did this to us?

Yes, public perception SHOULD be changing. Let's hope all of these "FUBARS" add up to a blue tsunami vote in November!

41. They Never Have
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:13 PM
Apr 2020

Republicans have never been truly punished for their crimes.
They may get voted out but, that's about it.

sop

(10,161 posts)
53. Apparently Corn hasn't heard of Betteridge's Law of Headlines.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:13 PM
Apr 2020

Betteridge's law of headlines states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."

bdamomma

(63,837 posts)
63. call it a massacre
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 05:29 PM
Apr 2020

or genocide, he is a criminal. In past history we should be aware that this POS will have his reckoning day.

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