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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:00 AM Apr 2020

Trump Is Trapped. Either He Knew in November or He Didn't.

Either way, it's a lose lose for him.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273&fbclid=IwAR3nbG1bYlBgoqL7L8MXjcXCCKDLF5X8S2xssdzh1IOa9Qi8NXRfcjCZcU4

Intelligence report warned of coronavirus crisis as early as November: Sources

The report was the result of analysis of wire and computer intercepts, coupled with satellite images. It raised alarms because an out-of-control disease would pose a serious threat to U.S. forces in Asia -- forces that depend on the NCMI’s work. And it paints a picture of an American government that could have ramped up mitigation and containment efforts far earlier to prepare for a crisis poised to come home.

"Analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event," one of the sources said of the NCMI’s report. "It was then briefed multiple times to" the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s Joint Staff and the White House.


If Trump admits he was briefed, then he KNEW and DID NOTHING: Criminal Negligence to HARM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

If Trump says he wasn't briefed, then he's guilty of CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE as well!

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY this information wasn't given to him. If he read it and ignored it: crime. If he didn't read it and ignored it, CRIME!
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Trump Is Trapped. Either He Knew in November or He Didn't. (Original Post) berni_mccoy Apr 2020 OP
He knew. He was told. dalton99a Apr 2020 #1
trump never knows anything kiri Apr 2020 #19
Trump ALWAYS knows everything...until he doesn't Scalded Nun Apr 2020 #42
As the OP says ... MFGsunny Apr 2020 #2
Reporters should confront him today with that , duforsure Apr 2020 #3
He's floating the "Even so, I wouldn't have done anything differently" line to get ahead of this. TheBlackAdder Apr 2020 #4
Reporter reply should be nykym Apr 2020 #10
"That is a nasty question. You are a terrible reporter." MoonchildCA Apr 2020 #45
Trump will say he was never told any of that then make his cronies disagree with him uponit7771 Apr 2020 #16
They HAD to have told him........... MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #24
Remember, all intelligence briefings central scrutinizer Apr 2020 #46
It's ashame we didn't impeach him for that fescuerescue Apr 2020 #5
Like every piece of information he gets... LakeVermilion Apr 2020 #6
he got it... agingdem Apr 2020 #7
He may have been briefed but.... onlyadream Apr 2020 #8
CLIFF NOTES: MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #25
He was given ample information berksdem Apr 2020 #9
Maybe not once the babylonsister Apr 2020 #11
One would think... berksdem Apr 2020 #12
The problem Windy City Charlie Apr 2020 #13
Trump: ".. I don't read that" uponit7771 Apr 2020 #14
Probably true IggleDuer Apr 2020 #31
Yesterday he admitted he had ignored the memos about this. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #15
Trapped how? FiveGoodMen Apr 2020 #17
When has glaringly obvious culpability ever "trapped" Trump? n/t Silent3 Apr 2020 #18
G. W. Bush was warned too. Fucking got away with criminal negligence on a grand scale AtheistCrusader Apr 2020 #20
I want to / have to believe MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #27
It might be different in that the info is coming to light quickly. AtheistCrusader Apr 2020 #33
Cheney & Co. were able to MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #39
And the turnover is higher. AtheistCrusader Apr 2020 #43
His lies have collided with reality Politicub Apr 2020 #21
Really like the way you said that............. MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #32
I don't think the daily pressers are wnylib Apr 2020 #44
Either way, the US allowed over 400,000 to return here, AFTER supposedly blocking FailureToCommunicate Apr 2020 #22
Criminal negligence resulting in death is manslaughter Ponietz Apr 2020 #23
The only loophole bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #26
The Crimson Contagion Scenario Newest Reality Apr 2020 #28
As long as he doesn't ban guns or embrace diversity he will be fine. johnthewoodworker Apr 2020 #29
Third option: He's perfect! Beartracks Apr 2020 #30
Nobody knew in November. denem Apr 2020 #34
Is November when his rushed himself to Walter Reed for his "physical"? Cracklin Charlie Apr 2020 #35
People are starting to realize it was not incompetence SledDriver Apr 2020 #36
That Is About The Exact Time DallasNE Apr 2020 #37
Trump always denies any prior knowledge of bad news. procon Apr 2020 #38
No he is not ibegurpard Apr 2020 #40
"If he read it..." Grins Apr 2020 #41
Trump will make someone else take the fall. Blue_true Apr 2020 #47
NOT trapped -- getting caught up in November is the trap live love laugh Apr 2020 #48
There is now officially no crime he can't commit... dchill Apr 2020 #49
I wonder if one of the memos was titled "Coronavirus Determined to Attack in the United States" fishwax Apr 2020 #50
they'll use "cat state" quite a bit in the spin for this 0rganism Apr 2020 #51
Someboy ought to search out the PDB's... Historic NY Apr 2020 #52

kiri

(786 posts)
19. trump never knows anything
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:20 PM
Apr 2020

For trump to "know" is an irregular phenomenon. He 'knows' what Hannity tells him, and even that for less than 12 hours.

And trump cares nothing about contradictions. Doesn't understand them The trumpist base loves them because "they drive the liberals crazy."

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
2. As the OP says ...
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:07 AM
Apr 2020

... he effed us Americans either way!

MF45 et al cabal = willful, wanton, reckless incompetence with a bigly dosage of fraud.

duforsure

(11,882 posts)
3. Reporters should confront him today with that ,
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:10 AM
Apr 2020

And what should happen to people who profited from this pandemic in the stock market or in any other way from it. What punishment should they face if true, first. I'd like to hear his response , and then if he had stock, when he first learned this could happen here. He'll lie , then you'll have it on tape. He knew before Nov. and was warned over and over again. When he lies , which he will , that'll be another one for the record when all his dealing are closely looked into, and that he knew what was going on much sooner and planned ways he could profit from it personally.

nykym

(3,063 posts)
10. Reporter reply should be
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:37 AM
Apr 2020

If you know now what happened, why would you still not do anything differently!

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
16. Trump will say he was never told any of that then make his cronies disagree with him
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:43 PM
Apr 2020

.... Which none of them will

central scrutinizer

(11,617 posts)
46. Remember, all intelligence briefings
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 07:20 PM
Apr 2020

Had to be turned into one page of bullet points for the Dotard. Probably no words of more than two syllables. He has the attention span of a gnat unless he’s listening to someone praise him.

LakeVermilion

(1,022 posts)
6. Like every piece of information he gets...
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:15 AM
Apr 2020

he calculated how he could a. make money, or b. exploit it politically.

No doubt he tried to cash in (we will find out at sometime in the future)

He eventually thought the virus could benefit him by creating chaos in large urban blue areas. He miscalculated that it wouldn't harm rural red areas of America.

agingdem

(7,759 posts)
7. he got it...
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:19 AM
Apr 2020

but this was an opportunity of a lifetime..like HIV...no one gave a damn the gay community was dying...one way to get rid of them gays...this plague,if it was real would sweep thru the black/hispanic/muslim/asian/native american/jewish /gay/poor/middle class communities...while the pure entitled self-righteous rich white guys would be spared so they could take what they wanted without having to even pretend they gave a damn about the less fortunate...

onlyadream

(2,159 posts)
8. He may have been briefed but....
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:19 AM
Apr 2020

he was either day dreaming about golfing, or he just didn't want to believe it.
He's an emotional thinker, the kind that goes by his gut, not numbers and data. He hates details (since they're boring).
This is what got us into this mess.

berksdem

(594 posts)
9. He was given ample information
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 11:29 AM
Apr 2020

and did nothing. The Dotard should be held accountable but his reThug puppets and his base will let him walk without any recourse. We have seen this over and over...

Windy City Charlie

(1,178 posts)
13. The problem
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:39 PM
Apr 2020

The problem is he's told so many lies that he doesn't know which one to use. He talks in circles. Sadly, his cult believes his lies, even though it's a different one each day.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
15. Yesterday he admitted he had ignored the memos about this.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:43 PM
Apr 2020

That oughta be sufficient for at least one more impeachment.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
17. Trapped how?
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:15 PM
Apr 2020

He never suffers the appropriate consequences for anything he does.

The GOP have promised that he never will.

What is this "trap" that you speak of?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
20. G. W. Bush was warned too. Fucking got away with criminal negligence on a grand scale
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:21 PM
Apr 2020

and we got thousands dead and decades of two wars.

And he fucking got away with it.

Never underestimate America's ability to fail to hold politicians to account for their incompetence and negligence.

MyOwnPeace

(16,888 posts)
27. I want to / have to believe
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:43 PM
Apr 2020

that this time it will be different.

This time it is hitting the homes of those that had believed "He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting."

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/424263-trump-supporter-complains-shutdown-is-not-hurting-the-people-he

Now there's death, illness, unemployment, and financial problems for many more, including MAGAts!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
33. It might be different in that the info is coming to light quickly.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:49 PM
Apr 2020

Bush's admin seemed to have been better at keeping their mouths shut.

MyOwnPeace

(16,888 posts)
39. Cheney & Co. were able to
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:01 PM
Apr 2020

control W regarding what he said, did, or even thought.

There's NO controlling this horse's ass!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
43. And the turnover is higher.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:30 PM
Apr 2020

People are getting let go left and right, constantly in this administration, which lowers loyalty.

Politicub

(12,163 posts)
21. His lies have collided with reality
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:29 PM
Apr 2020

People are dying from his inaction. His daily press conferences only amplify his callousness and cruelty.

More people are feeling the brunt of Trump and waking up. His lies are no longer abstract to people.

MyOwnPeace

(16,888 posts)
32. Really like the way you said that.............
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:47 PM
Apr 2020

He's such a horse's ass - we can only hope that enough people are waking up and are willing to smack him where it hurts (with him - not to worry, there was no brain damage done!).

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
44. I don't think the daily pressers are
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 05:07 PM
Apr 2020

harming him at all. For people like us, yes. But notvthe general public. He is using the pressers as campaign rallies to promote himself and to make claims of wonderful actions on behalf of the people. He repeats advice that Cuomo gives as if they are his own ideas. He uses the pressers to polish his image as a man of action to counter the negative image he got esrlier for inaction.

I received a post card with advice about social distancing. It had Trump's name on it, as if it came from him personally. If there is a campaign to send out these cards, they will do what they are intended to do, which is to leave people with the impression that he is on top of things and working on defeating the virus for everyone.

It will work because it is what people want to believe. They want to think that the national government is taking care of things.

Remember that Trump is a master at image creation.

FailureToCommunicate

(13,989 posts)
22. Either way, the US allowed over 400,000 to return here, AFTER supposedly blocking
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:30 PM
Apr 2020

flights in early February. MOST went thru airports, without any test of any sort, or even being asked from where they had arrived.
They were not even advised to self quarantine, other than what they heard from the news.

The TSA keeps people from sneaking ANYTHING on to a flight, yet these unwitting germ bombs were allowed to just melt back to Everywhere, America.

Crazy



bucolic_frolic

(42,676 posts)
26. The only loophole
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:37 PM
Apr 2020

is if our IC doesn't want to admit how they knew what they knew. Just like LBJ couldn't reveal the alleged Nixon secret initiative on the Vietnam War during the 1968 election.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
28. The Crimson Contagion Scenario
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:44 PM
Apr 2020

How much more knowledge do you need? Really now. There is no excuse viable for not knowing. None. This outcome could be expected. No surprise internally at all.

That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion” and imagining an influenza pandemic, was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.

The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.

The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own ways on school closings.



[emphasis is mine]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-outbreak.html

Beartracks

(12,761 posts)
30. Third option: He's perfect!
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:46 PM
Apr 2020

This is the option His People will invent and then argue for. Blameless and perfect and goodness and light and strength, Our Genius Messiah!!

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denem

(11,045 posts)
34. Nobody knew in November.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:50 PM
Apr 2020

In November and December it was not known if the unidentified pathogen was capable of human to human transmission. What they had was a cluster of pneumonia cases centered around the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
35. Is November when his rushed himself to Walter Reed for his "physical"?
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:56 PM
Apr 2020

It’s his job to read the briefings.

Dereliction of duty.

DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
37. That Is About The Exact Time
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:59 PM
Apr 2020

He abolished the group of ground monitors, including the team in China that was monitoring the area of the outbreak. Had that team still been in China then China couldn't have kept quiet on its initial spread.

procon

(15,805 posts)
38. Trump always denies any prior knowledge of bad news.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:00 PM
Apr 2020

Even when several news reports confirm from multiple sources that Trump was briefed, he will still lie and try to bluff his way out.

His resolute fans will believe any tale he tells them, and the message will be unified throughout rightwing media outfits; Trump is always the innocent victim, everyone hates him, everyone is out to get him. God save Trump!

Of course Trump was given the information, and then summarily dismissed it as a Chinese problem that had nothing to do with him. If the briefing doesn't include puff pieces glorifying some inconsequential, trivial issue that exalts Trump, he isn't interested. No doubt he was presented with crucial information about the new deadly virus coming out of China, and no doubt he dismissed it before all the bullet points were even read to him.



Grins

(7,134 posts)
41. "If he read it..."
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:06 PM
Apr 2020

He didn’t.
He reads NOTHING unless it’s about him.
And it has pictures!
To include the PDB.
That has to be dumbed down to brief points.
We have known this for years.
That truth, and danger, was highlighted in Michael Wolf’s book, “Fire and Fury”.

live love laugh

(13,004 posts)
48. NOT trapped -- getting caught up in November is the trap
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:13 AM
Apr 2020

To now focus on one memo and one date and is pointless when there are a myriad of equally damning dates and inactions.


TRUMP GOLF AND CAMPAIGN RALLIES VS. COVID TIMELINE

2016 the national security council briefed Trump administration with “playbook on fighting pandemics” containing advice on tracking a new virus, testing and securing emergency resources. It was “thrown on a shelf”, per an anonymous official quoted by Politico.

2017 guts CDC firing the head and leaving 700 vacancies

2-20-2018 fires global pandemic response team and cut funding for a corona vaccine saying he is a business man and calling it a “good business decision”

Nov. 2019 first case diagnosed in China

1-3-20 briefed on virus threat
1-4-20 golfing
1–5-20 golfing
1–9-20 campaign rally
1–14-20 campaign rally
1-18-20 Cabinet advises virus serious
1-18-20 goes golfing
1-19-20 first US Covid case
1-19-20 golfing
1-21-20 1st Covid case in US
1-22-20 “we have it the totally under control it’s one person coming in from China...”
1-27-20 Chief of Staff Mulvaney conveys seriousness—fired in a month
1–28-20 campaign rally
1–30-20 campaign rally: “a very little problem”

Feb. 2020 CDC/Trump Administration tell Univ. of WA & Seattle Dept. of Health to stop testing after notification of first case
2-1-20 golfing
2-2-20 golfing
2-7-20 shipped 17 TONS of PPE to China that’s critically needed in the US
2-10-20 campaign rally: “...a little warmer it miraculously goes away.”
2-15-20 golfing
2-19-20 campaign rally “very much under control”
2-20-20 campaign rally
2-21-20 campaign rally
2-26-20 “the # of cases are going down not up”
2-27-20 “like a miracle it will disappear“
2-28-20 campaign rally: “Democrats are politicizing this is their new hoax”
2-29-20 vaccine “available very quickly.”
3-4-20 “very mild.”
3-6-20 “there is no testing kit shortage nor has there ever been.”
3-7-20 golfing/“I’m not concerned at all”
3-8-20 golfing
3-10-20 campaign rally: “...everything’s working out a lot of good things are going to happen...”
3-11-20 address nation “...started in China...”
3-13-20 “I don’t take responsibility at all.”
3-15-20 “we are in control”
3-16-20 “it’s bad”
3-17-20 to Democratic Governors: “Respirators, ventilators—try getting it yourselves”
3-19-20 “...we’re not a shipping clerk”
3-27-20 To Pence re: Governors: “if they (democratic governors) don’t treat you right don’t call”
3-27-20 refused help for Covid victims: “...I want them (democratic governors) to be appreciative.”
3-31-20 “a lot of people have scarves”
4-1-20 5,000 dead
4-2-20 CDC everybody should wear masks
4-7-20 12400 dead US 129 dead S.Korea (both had 1st cases 1-21-20)

0rganism

(23,856 posts)
51. they'll use "cat state" quite a bit in the spin for this
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:31 AM
Apr 2020

the idea being, as with Mr. Schrodinger's most esteemed cat which has the honor of being both alive and dead simultaneously until its wave function collapses through observation, Trump will have it both ways as needed.

when he wants to talk about how well-prepared the US is, and how we got an awesome early start on containment, he was briefed. of course he was briefed, he's the president, right? he led us to our fantastic success through cleverness and foresight, using only the most reliable intelligence to perform outstanding feats of... disaster management.

when it's important for him to have been surprised by the outbreak, he wasn't briefed. he knew nothing, he wasn't told, someone who knew didn't tell him, why don't those disloyal deep state people tell him what he needs to know to save American lives? American blood drips from their deep state hands!

Trump was both briefed and not briefed. voila, in cat state, their problem is solved. and good luck ever collapsing that wave function. he will never take responsibility or be held accountable.

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