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Demovictory9

(32,423 posts)
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:20 AM Apr 2020

6 new polls released today: Trump's low approval ratings early in a crisis defy historical precedent

In times of national crisis, the American people typically come together behind their president.

But not this one.

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On Wednesday, six separate pollsters released new surveys. In all six, Trump’s approval rating was below 50 percent, ranging between 40 percent and 45 percent. And each suggested Americans had at best a mixed opinion of his response to the virus, and those with trendlines from weeks earlier in the crisis showed an uptick in the percentage of those critical of Trump’s response.

Trump’s low approval ratings early in a crisis defy historical precedent. Presidents, dating back to the start of the modern polling era after World War II, typically see their approval ratings rise significantly when the country faces emergencies, though they more typically occur around international conflicts, mostly involving the military.


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/08/trump-approval-ratings-coronavirus-176105

Trump, by contrast, saw only the slightest increases in his approval ratings. According to the RealClearPolitics average, his approval rating stood at 44.5 percent a month ago, on March 8. By last week, it had ticked up to 47.4 percent — but as of Wednesday afternoon, including the new polls, it was back down to 45.2 percent.

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6 new polls released today: Trump's low approval ratings early in a crisis defy historical precedent (Original Post) Demovictory9 Apr 2020 OP
Why do people keep claiming he is doing Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #1
the ratio is 45 approve to 55 disapprove among voters. Demovictory9 Apr 2020 #2
That is still almost half the country Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #4
unless we can wrestle back the country in nov. If we can't, it's 4 years of plundering and Demovictory9 Apr 2020 #14
No Sugarcoated Apr 2020 #20
Those numbers are liable to flip Chainfire Apr 2020 #10
and i plan to be part of that battle rather than throw in the towel. you seemed to have decided it' Demovictory9 Apr 2020 #13
You do not understand my point Chainfire Apr 2020 #24
+1000 chia Apr 2020 #26
"...dirtiest campaign..." is 1 M % right. And people KEEP live love laugh Apr 2020 #31
I'm normally very pessimistic about the whole world of politics, but this time, Eyeball_Kid Apr 2020 #15
The trouble with the "Old Confederacy" plan is, it's still home to a lot of African Americans, and NBachers Apr 2020 #21
Why will the virus be tanking in the summer? I missed that. n/t pnwmom Apr 2020 #17
Then an uphill battle it is. MFM008 Apr 2020 #30
Dream on. we can do it Apr 2020 #36
It's been pretty static for most of Trump's DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #23
Because Bush 2 was in the 90s during 911 ... Americans backed him for a second then he went into uponit7771 Apr 2020 #3
I'm with you. rownesheck Apr 2020 #5
Right elleng Apr 2020 #7
Got that right. Anything in the 40s is just "bobbing along" . . . Journeyman Apr 2020 #12
or within "cheating distance" not_the_one Apr 2020 #35
Exactly. Why doesn't this moron have approval down around 5%? He's a total disaster. nt Nay Apr 2020 #33
We have allowed demagogues to turn at least 1/3 of the population fascist FiveGoodMen Apr 2020 #34
Yeah Cosmocat Apr 2020 #25
His 'approval ratings' have NEVER been above 50%. elleng Apr 2020 #6
Still slightly high numbers mshasta Apr 2020 #8
If you told me that a murderous dictator had any approval, I'd think this was the Onion ffr Apr 2020 #9
Other Presidents didn't screw up. C_U_L8R Apr 2020 #11
We want the WH virus gooone! Hassler Apr 2020 #16
People usually rally round the peckerhead whenever there is a crisis Warpy Apr 2020 #18
Why he has an approval above zero percent defies logic. LisaM Apr 2020 #19
He is going to be a soar loser and it's going to come off bad! Quixote1818 Apr 2020 #22
Well... Mike Nelson Apr 2020 #27
Every day he talks to the American people duforsure Apr 2020 #28
Time will take its toll on trump empedocles Apr 2020 #29
after bdamomma Apr 2020 #32

Miguelito Loveless

(4,457 posts)
1. Why do people keep claiming he is doing
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:24 AM
Apr 2020

“Badly” in the polls? 4 in 10 will back him no matter what he does up, and including, genocide. 3 in 10 oppose him, and 2 in 10 are apparently asleep.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,457 posts)
4. That is still almost half the country
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:30 AM
Apr 2020

If almost half the country still backs him despite all his crimes and incompetence, this democracy is done.

Sugarcoated

(7,716 posts)
20. No
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 02:32 AM
Apr 2020

His base is about 40%, he got a very modest "rally around the country" bump. These polls are dropping, and that would be 40% of the VOTERS in the country not people in the country as a whole.

Chainfire

(17,474 posts)
10. Those numbers are liable to flip
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:39 AM
Apr 2020

In midsummer when the virus is tanking and the economy is improving. Trump will be on a victory tour claiming that his beautiful actions saved a million Americans. Thanks to him alone, the markets will be rising. Biden will be being painted with lies and false witnesses as the most horrible American that ever lived. The Biden/Ukraine scandal will be on the president's lips every day.

Trumps has demonstrated that he was the worst possible leader for a crisis and his approval ratings should be in the 20s by now, that they are not should be a wake-up call. His base ain't budging.

The fight to regain the White House is going to be an uphill battle.

Demovictory9

(32,423 posts)
13. and i plan to be part of that battle rather than throw in the towel. you seemed to have decided it'
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:51 AM
Apr 2020

s over before the voting. Not me.

Chainfire

(17,474 posts)
24. You do not understand my point
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 05:13 AM
Apr 2020

Mine is a warning of a repeat of what happened last election if we don't realize that it is going to be a hard battle and act accordingly.

Unlike some folks I don't think that we can cheer our way out of Trump on a Liberal forum. When we are here, talking to each other, it may leave some with the impression that we are some kind of overwhelming majority; That is not the case. A cheering section is noisy, but they don't win games.

We are most likely in the worst of the Coronavirus die-off right now and Trumps numbers are not tanking. Why would you not believe that they will improve after the worst of the disaster passes? The best we can hope is for those who occupy the ten percent range in the middle are horrified by the Trump Administration's failed response. Since they are in the middle it is an indication that they don't have strong political emotions to begin with and can be easily swayed.

This will all be compounded by the dirtiest campaign you will ever see fought. The most crooked team to ever hold power is in the White House today and they will use every trick in the book to defeat Biden. Combine the power of the White House, the Senate and the Courts and we have a dangerous uphill fight ahead.




live love laugh

(13,081 posts)
31. "...dirtiest campaign..." is 1 M % right. And people KEEP
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 11:31 AM
Apr 2020

saying wait till November.

Republicans are not waiting. They are united and have our tax $$$ in their pockets as ammo.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
15. I'm normally very pessimistic about the whole world of politics, but this time,
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 01:25 AM
Apr 2020

I'll offer an alternative POV.

Trump has bundled the pandemic so badly that even a plan as clever and diabolical as your offering won't come close to resolving his problem with the voters.

The entire Old Confederacy is due for a late and extreme "peak" of infections and deaths. That SHOULD throw off Trumpy's plans for "opening up the country." (That's like some kind of real estate "OPEN HOUSE" talk. Opening up the country. What nonsense. He's got no power to do anything of the sort. It's all bullshit.)

So if Trumpy nonetheless bullies states into eliminating social distancing and other preventive measures, the infection rate will go BOOM because Trump wants to win the election. So he'll have the Old Confederacy all wrapped up in getting enough masks and ventilators, he'll have a second wave of infections everywhere else, and then he'll pretend that he won and he should be president until Junior is ready to take over. I don't think that this will go over well with those who just buried their dead, knowing that Trump's bravado was instrumental in killing them. Enough people will make the connection that Trumpy will have to devise a way to nullify the next election if he knows that he's going to lose.

NBachers

(17,082 posts)
21. The trouble with the "Old Confederacy" plan is, it's still home to a lot of African Americans, and
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 02:58 AM
Apr 2020

they'll be wiped out in greater numbers than the trump voters.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
30. Then an uphill battle it is.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:27 AM
Apr 2020

Or as the Spartan said in the movie 300.
'We will fight in the shade.'

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
23. It's been pretty static for most of Trump's
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 04:18 AM
Apr 2020

term that about 25% of voters "strongly approve" and are cultists who will back Trump no matter what. Ironically, this is about the same percent who approved of Nixon even after he resigned. It's the GOP floor.

OTOH, the "strongly disapprove" poll numbers have been consistently roughly double the "strongly approve" ones. These are voters who will vote against Trump no matter what. There are many fewer "somewhat disapprove" voters in the total somewhat+strongly = "disapprove" number.

The balance of voters are in the "somewhat" approve/disapprove categories. There might be only one or two things they like or don't like about Trump, but depending on their choice, they become part of the "approval" rating.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
3. Because Bush 2 was in the 90s during 911 ... Americans backed him for a second then he went into
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:27 AM
Apr 2020

... stupid mode

rownesheck

(2,343 posts)
5. I'm with you.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:31 AM
Apr 2020

His poll numbers are always the same. I've seen a million headlines saying "trump's approval plummets!". I read the story and it always says, "his approval is at 44%" sorry. That's not plummeting. Wake me when his approval is at 29%.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
34. We have allowed demagogues to turn at least 1/3 of the population fascist
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 01:14 PM
Apr 2020

It was mostly done by the churches.

And was aided and abetted by a rotten belief that lying is protected speech and fair game at all times.

Cosmocat

(14,559 posts)
25. Yeah
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 06:35 AM
Apr 2020

He is still in the range he was when he ran initially.

He has and will continue to run a base campaign.

Relentlessly feed his zombie base while relentlessly attacking his opponent.

One political "benefit" right now is that he hasnt been able to attack Biden.

The danger is when we get past this and he starts up with that it enough of the cud chewing "middle" flakes off Biden to let him pull off another inside straight.

elleng

(130,759 posts)
6. His 'approval ratings' have NEVER been above 50%.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:35 AM
Apr 2020

I wouldn't give much credence to these (or any other) polls.

mshasta

(2,108 posts)
8. Still slightly high numbers
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:37 AM
Apr 2020

Should be more like 33% They always asking people that are Christian, white, old, same ones over and over
I never answer the phone to numbers I don’t recognize, so they are not completely polling the other America

ffr

(22,665 posts)
9. If you told me that a murderous dictator had any approval, I'd think this was the Onion
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:39 AM
Apr 2020

But he has made loyal followers out of Pence and McConnell. As American civilians die and first responders get sick from lack of support from the cruel ruling class elites in Washington, I have to imagine that tRump, Pence, and McConnell are gorging themselves on baby seal meat tonight and every night, laughing at the cult followers that will do anything to own liberals.

Warpy

(111,169 posts)
18. People usually rally round the peckerhead whenever there is a crisis
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 01:56 AM
Apr 2020

but this particular example has been such a consistent liar about everything that even people looking for leadership are looking elsewhere.

Republicans and their evangelical subset form the entirety of his approval rating. No one else has any use at all for him since he's had so little use for us.

This current gang of grifters has squandered any good will they had right after the election and they did it in record time. Bluster, bullshit, and bullying are just not working any longer.

Quixote1818

(28,919 posts)
22. He is going to be a soar loser and it's going to come off bad!
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 03:03 AM
Apr 2020

Once he no longer has any power and starts acting like a childish freak about losing and screams it was rigged, people are going to rise up and tell him to shut his fucking pie hole! Then hopefully he finally realizes he SUCKS and throw himself off a building.

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
27. Well...
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 06:58 AM
Apr 2020

... a 60% approval during a crisis would be disastrous. The President's approval should be 90% or above during a crisis - people are approving of their country. His approval ratings are terrible.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
28. Every day he talks to the American people
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 07:00 AM
Apr 2020

While thousands die, and he lies about it all , he will lose support . I know some that already have turned against this criminal , and are really , really pissed at him and the GoP for this. trump and the GOP are having trouble spinning death. Their woefully inadequate stimulus getting directly to them now will only make them run away in larger numbers now. I don't trust polls with trump in office. I think its much lower numbers.

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