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Marthe48

(16,692 posts)
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 10:47 AM Apr 2020

My friend doesn't think Biden can do it

She texted "I may not vote as I do not believe Biden is up to the task ahead. He is leaning more toward Sanders. I am not for socialism. Democrats need to step up and find someone stronger."

My Reply:

"Social Securiy and medicare are socialism. Unions are socialism. Having paved roads and public schools are socialism. That (stimulus) check you are getting is socialism. If you don't vote (for Biden) you get 4 more years of trump. Repubs need to step up and find candidates that aren't crooks dedicated to lining their own pockets and destroying the USA."

This is a long-time friend who is a Democrat and votes Democratic. I think her grandson is hacking her phone. JC

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My friend doesn't think Biden can do it (Original Post) Marthe48 Apr 2020 OP
I can't say the things I would want you to tell your friend blogslut Apr 2020 #1
🤣🤣🤣 live love laugh Apr 2020 #9
Just say 7-2 exboyfil Apr 2020 #2
I wish I could say what I really think about your friend but I can't. redstatebluegirl Apr 2020 #3
I'm hearing a lot of this from a RWer on another board... Wounded Bear Apr 2020 #4
I have a DU friend who doesn't think Biden can blah blah. LakeArenal Apr 2020 #51
I didn't hang out a lot in the Forum...because, well, you know. Wounded Bear Apr 2020 #63
Tell your friend RBG cannot hang on forever... EarthFirst Apr 2020 #5
cool story bro Blues Heron Apr 2020 #6
You got that right. (n/t) SMC22307 Apr 2020 #46
By 'hacking her phone', do you mean Mc Mike Apr 2020 #7
I meant if he stops by and texts me something Marthe48 Apr 2020 #57
The post you got from her, sounded like his tone, like he had her phone password. Mc Mike Apr 2020 #69
Your friend is falling for right-wing talking points. Flaleftist Apr 2020 #8
your friend wants 4 more years of trump, plain and simple beachbumbob Apr 2020 #10
There won't be 4 more years of Trump. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #22
man that is dark, but more true than not beachbumbob Apr 2020 #26
Did they mean to text that a month ago? TheFarseer Apr 2020 #11
I think the friend doesn't like Biden trying to adopt some of Sanders/Warrens ideas so yeah I lunasun Apr 2020 #15
You read it backwards. She's saying Biden resembles Sanders too much. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #23
Still wonder who is the someone stronger that she wants ?and when did she decide that Biden lunasun Apr 2020 #24
Oh I see. I read that wrong TheFarseer Apr 2020 #39
Yes, we don't know if Biden can do it, spinbaby Apr 2020 #12
So friend will not vote if it means helping others with M460+ or unburden a generation in lunasun Apr 2020 #13
This is why we need Sanders to make a clear, full-throated endorsement Stinky The Clown Apr 2020 #14
You do understand the friend doesn't like Sanders right ? How would an endorsement by Sanders lunasun Apr 2020 #17
From the OP: "He is leaning more toward Sanders" Stinky The Clown Apr 2020 #32
That was a quote from the idiot friend, describing how Biden is "leaning more...". nt Guy Whitey Corngood Apr 2020 #34
She texted- then in quotation is the text -read it again lunasun Apr 2020 #35
My friend texted that "Biden is going more towards Sanders" Marthe48 Apr 2020 #42
yes i understand that- the post i replied to thought that Sanders needed " to make a clear, lunasun Apr 2020 #47
If it is my friend Marthe48 Apr 2020 #50
Biden has been in the Senate, or VP treestar Apr 2020 #16
I'm worried that if Joe gets elected .... Hotler Apr 2020 #18
+1 But if he doesn't get elected, we are all dead. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #21
If B. loses, it will be because of "Dems" like her who *DON'T VOTE"!1 UTUSN Apr 2020 #19
she is over 75 Marthe48 Apr 2020 #43
If those are really your friend's words, she is an idiot. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #20
No cure for stoopid BSdetect Apr 2020 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Apr 2020 #27
That's a good reply. Some people are so uneducated it's scary mvd Apr 2020 #28
The first four words of your title says it all: "My friend doesn't think" Talitha Apr 2020 #29
I would suggest that she start using words she understands to make her points. DFW Apr 2020 #30
I absolutely disagree - no Jim Crow test to have a voter card! lunasun Apr 2020 #48
I agree with you completely! Hangingon Apr 2020 #54
If there's a real chance she's been hacked... morillon Apr 2020 #31
Marthe, maybe you and your friend should just have a real live chat on the phone. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #33
Biden is not up to the task so we leave the ass hole to completely destroy the country Norbert Apr 2020 #36
Your friend is a moron. HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #37
For anyone that doesn't like Biden for any reason marlakay Apr 2020 #38
Yeah, I've got a couple of FB friends who post from Brad Parscale's Doubt Machine, too. ancianita Apr 2020 #40
Your friend is not a Democrat. Jakes Progress Apr 2020 #41
That post was very helpful, Marthe. SMC22307 Apr 2020 #44
Agree with her! Then do the right thing, and vote for Biden! scrabblequeen40 Apr 2020 #45
I was busy working on my car Marthe48 Apr 2020 #49
Ignore the trolling Nululu Apr 2020 #52
Cool story, bro. nt RandiFan1290 Apr 2020 #53
I agree. obnoxiousdrunk Apr 2020 #56
LOL, your friend isn't a Democrat XRubicon Apr 2020 #55
Let's ALL HELP prove your friend WRONG!!! lastlib Apr 2020 #58
She wasn't going to vote for any Democrat anyway Drahthaardogs Apr 2020 #59
I've never understood the reasoning by those who choose not to vote Walleye Apr 2020 #60
you seem very concerned ! stonecutter357 Apr 2020 #61
Give your friend a big hearty fuck off from me mercuryblues Apr 2020 #62
Lotta that going around... LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #64
A LOT of folks on my FB feed are 100% that Trump has just been re-elected with Biden Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2020 #65
I have a friend who thinks the earth is 6000 years old. GulfCoast66 Apr 2020 #66
Your "friend" doesn't know what she's talking about.. Biden Cha Apr 2020 #67
Just remind her that anything is better than the disaster we have right now jimlup Apr 2020 #68
Long time DUer just wrote essme Apr 2020 #70

exboyfil

(17,857 posts)
2. Just say 7-2
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 10:52 AM
Apr 2020

That should be motivation enough. We should even print that GOTV literature.

150 poll sites in Milwaukee down to 5 during a pandemic.

Wounded Bear

(58,440 posts)
4. I'm hearing a lot of this from a RWer on another board...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 10:54 AM
Apr 2020

Biden is old, keeps slurring his words, weak, can't stand up to the strain, yada, yada, yada.

They are priming the pump again, projecting Trump's failings onto Biden and proudly proclaiming Trump will win in a landslide.

LakeArenal

(28,729 posts)
51. I have a DU friend who doesn't think Biden can blah blah.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:36 PM
Apr 2020

This person took great pride in avoiding the Primaries Forum But believes all that internet crap about Joe.

I’m so happy I faced the primary head on.

Wounded Bear

(58,440 posts)
63. I didn't hang out a lot in the Forum...because, well, you know.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 08:20 PM
Apr 2020


Started with Kamala, briefly flirted with supporting Liz, but now Joe's my guy.

Mc Mike

(9,107 posts)
7. By 'hacking her phone', do you mean
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:08 AM
Apr 2020

he's doing something that makes her smart device call up questionable sources as the first preferred search results on issue queries? Or that he saved his questionable sources on her device to make those bad sources the favorites? I'm way behind, tech wise.

It seems like you're saying she's a good Dem and is an early forerunner into getting 'fear uncertainty doubt' style info, from the repugs and their russian troll friends, that is designed to depress our side's turnout.

Marthe48

(16,692 posts)
57. I meant if he stops by and texts me something
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:51 PM
Apr 2020

I am friends with him on facebook and he posted something that disheartened me, so I could expect something in this line from him, not from my friend. The family seemed to be generationally Democratic, but didn't seem to carry over to their youngest ones

I doubt he did that, but that is how shocked I am.

Mc Mike

(9,107 posts)
69. The post you got from her, sounded like his tone, like he had her phone password.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:29 AM
Apr 2020

But you actually think his viewpoints are swaying your friend.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
8. Your friend is falling for right-wing talking points.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:15 AM
Apr 2020

It's either going to be Biden or Trump. Obama and Biden got us out of the last recession. He is the one for the job.

TheFarseer

(9,308 posts)
11. Did they mean to text that a month ago?
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:31 AM
Apr 2020

Sanders isn’t coming back. The time to get someone else is passed. It’s Joe or Don. Pick a side.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
15. I think the friend doesn't like Biden trying to adopt some of Sanders/Warrens ideas so yeah I
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:40 AM
Apr 2020

do wonder who the friend supported in the primary if not Biden
or is it just now they don’t like Biden?
but you are right who ever it was or what ever the prompt it’s too late and trump wins with that kind of attitude

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
23. You read it backwards. She's saying Biden resembles Sanders too much.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:54 AM
Apr 2020

...which sounds like some goofy Qanon horseshit. She must be reading some really nutso stuff installed in her phone by her nutjob son.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
24. Still wonder who is the someone stronger that she wants ?and when did she decide that Biden
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:57 AM
Apr 2020

is leaning toward socialism since she is a democrat ?

TheFarseer

(9,308 posts)
39. Oh I see. I read that wrong
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 12:58 PM
Apr 2020

I thought the friend was leaning towards Sanders. If you think Joe is too socialist, I suggest voting for Gary Johnson or better yet, stop watching Fox News and look up what socialism actually is. Socialism is not rich people paying taxes.

spinbaby

(15,073 posts)
12. Yes, we don't know if Biden can do it,
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:32 AM
Apr 2020

So we’ll just vote for the one with a proven record of f~#@ing thing up.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
13. So friend will not vote if it means helping others with M460+ or unburden a generation in
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:34 AM
Apr 2020

unreasonable debt to help stimulate the economy . If it ever happens I hope she waves that fire truck coming to help with her house on fire right by and tell them to keep driving
or maybe her like minded neighbors will tell the truck to keep going since their house is not on fire and they don’t want to pay for that truck with their taxes if it’s not for them

Stinky The Clown

(67,697 posts)
14. This is why we need Sanders to make a clear, full-throated endorsement
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:36 AM
Apr 2020

I am convinced he cost Hillary Clinton - and US - the presidency by his selfish "principled" stance. I think he is doing it again.

Your friend is . . . . I can't say it.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
17. You do understand the friend doesn't like Sanders right ? How would an endorsement by Sanders
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:42 AM
Apr 2020

change her mind . Wouldn’t that turn her off more ? What are you not saying ? She is right?

Marthe48

(16,692 posts)
42. My friend texted that "Biden is going more towards Sanders"
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 01:23 PM
Apr 2020

I am used to her being a firebrand Democrat, so this is really unusual. I half think her grandson is texting and yanking my chain.

I told her that if she is watching fox she should stop. She replied she doesn't watch fox, which I knew and then said she was a moderate. Got our work cut out for us.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
47. yes i understand that- the post i replied to thought that Sanders needed " to make a clear,
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 02:59 PM
Apr 2020

full-throated endorsement" and your friend was a he, and he was a sanders supporter and not supporting biden

Maybe a lot of confusion where there should not be, as your post was quite clear to me

So why dont you ask her to text you some memory you share that son would not know?

or she could be like many- that sanders dislike is worse than trump four more years

Marthe48

(16,692 posts)
50. If it is my friend
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:28 PM
Apr 2020

I don't understand how come she is changing her stance. It is surprising me. Good idea about asking her about a memory.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
16. Biden has been in the Senate, or VP
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:42 AM
Apr 2020

since the 70s. We know because of few of his opponents early on were talking about how awful he was for his activities 40+ years ago. The concept that he would not know what to do and know less than the Dotard is worthy. Anyone who would say this has to be so dull a knife they can't find the poll.

UTUSN

(70,497 posts)
19. If B. loses, it will be because of "Dems" like her who *DON'T VOTE"!1
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:48 AM
Apr 2020

Also, something doesn't ring true for me. If she is all that of a Dem, it would not be her first rodeo with a Dem LOSING. She's probably much younger than I am, but I've got tracks of tears from the number of times I've experienced losing with a superior Dem candidate.






lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
20. If those are really your friend's words, she is an idiot.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:49 AM
Apr 2020

Biden is in no way similar to Sanders; Biden's record makes any claim that he is "socialist" utterly ludicrous.

I say this as somebody who voted for Sanders, but I am now a Biden voter in the GE, despite the fact he is the opposite of Sanders.

Response to Marthe48 (Original post)

mvd

(65,148 posts)
28. That's a good reply. Some people are so uneducated it's scary
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 12:18 PM
Apr 2020

Also, I would say that Trump wants plenty of socialism for corporations. It is like here, industry, come get your funds! He even wants to leave oversight out of it.

Socialism as she sees it is really just help for the 99%. Common sense things that get a bad reputation party from big media.

DFW

(54,056 posts)
30. I would suggest that she start using words she understands to make her points.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 12:34 PM
Apr 2020

There are a few words people use to throw at each other these days, and more than half of them can't explain what they mean when asked what it is they object to.

I get the impression that if some people were asked to explain what they were for, and what they objected to, they would be completely incapable of expressing themselves if they were barred from using the terms liberal, conservative, socialist, corporatist, corporate, or establishment. They should say what they mean without resorting to stock terms that are so vague that they themselves couldn't tell you what in the world they are talking about.

If someone thinks that they should withhold their vote for Joe Biden because he is tending towards "socialism," they need their voter's registration taken away until they can prove they know WTF they are talking about.

Hangingon

(3,071 posts)
54. I agree with you completely!
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:42 PM
Apr 2020

Take out the buzz words and almost every body here has a problem. Roads are socialism? OMG I do not think Joecan win. Yes, I will vote. America does not want socialism . Saying SSAN is socialism is not going to sway people.

morillon

(1,185 posts)
31. If there's a real chance she's been hacked...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 12:35 PM
Apr 2020

...she should take it to her cell phone store (or call their tech support) and have them do a hard reset. She should also change all her passwords. It's a pain, but better than living with a compromised phone.

What other symptoms is her phone having that make you think it's been hacked?

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,483 posts)
33. Marthe, maybe you and your friend should just have a real live chat on the phone.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 12:43 PM
Apr 2020

That should answer all questions.


Ky................

Norbert

(6,030 posts)
36. Biden is not up to the task so we leave the ass hole to completely destroy the country
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 12:50 PM
Apr 2020

This makes absolutely no sense. I would vote for the ground hog in my back yard if it can displace the tangerine nightmare we have now.

marlakay

(11,370 posts)
38. For anyone that doesn't like Biden for any reason
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 12:55 PM
Apr 2020

I would say look at who he will have working with him vs who Trump has.

Look who will heal the country vs who will create civil war.

And if your friend is really a Democrat she would never even think of staying home or voting for Trump. I think many Bernie people might need to have time to grieve, why its better he got out now. Most will come around by November.

ancianita

(35,813 posts)
40. Yeah, I've got a couple of FB friends who post from Brad Parscale's Doubt Machine, too.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 01:02 PM
Apr 2020

Good for you to respond as you did. I'd share my friend's arguments against Biden but our exchange is too long.

Jakes Progress

(11,121 posts)
41. Your friend is not a Democrat.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 01:22 PM
Apr 2020

She may have voted for Democrats in the past, but she is spewing republican talking points. She lacks the compassion and intellect to be a Democrat.

Marthe48

(16,692 posts)
49. I was busy working on my car
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 04:13 PM
Apr 2020

I'd rather be on here. But the battery died, and I wanted to try to get over to my daughter's house to monitor the kids, which was where I was supposed to go today, or I wouldn't have bothered. I didn't make it, but she is home now, and all is well. At least for now. I am a stronger person for my effort today :/


I like the idea of asking people to describe what they want in government. My friend mentioned the forgiveness of college loans being a concern to her (socialism). I have other friends who think it is unfair for the loans to be forgiven, like the students will get something for nothing. I don't think they understand the crushing debt that new grads are carrying. My family got their loans paid off, but if others people can benefit from loan forgiveness, I hope it happens. After this complete social and economic disaster, I think we'll have a lot of harm to undo before progressive and enlightened ideas like this can be implemented.

I like Biden. One of the other things I told her that he is her age and stills jogs, which I hope appeals to her commitment to physical fitness. I also said that he knows what experts he needs to fill jobs and he won't act like he is the only person in the world who knows anything. I'm all in for Mr. Biden and I hope I can use the persuasion I see on the replies to get her out there to vote. We have mutual friends who will vote for the Democratic candidate, who is probably going to be Mr. Biden, and I'm sure they will help convince her to vote.

Nululu

(833 posts)
52. Ignore the trolling
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:37 PM
Apr 2020

I've seen idiotic headlines like "Democrats unhappy Biden is their candidate."

They're desperate and unimaginative. Negative campaigning is all they have when Trump's the worst President in history.

Thousands dead. A shutdown economy. We know who's at fault. He announces feds will stop supporting testing.

In four more years there will be no more country.

lastlib

(22,981 posts)
58. Let's ALL HELP prove your friend WRONG!!!
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:54 PM
Apr 2020

First, Get him into office, and THROW OUT the Orange Anus.

Then we can work on the particulars.

Walleye

(30,724 posts)
60. I've never understood the reasoning by those who choose not to vote
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 07:01 PM
Apr 2020

Or vote third party. Can someone please explain to me why they just don’t vote? It doesn’t cost anything. It’s a secret ballot. I don’t get it. My great-grandmother was a suffragette, as they were called back then. If the Super Bowl was between the Giants and the Patriots, would they put money on the Packers anyway as a protest bet?

mercuryblues

(14,491 posts)
62. Give your friend a big hearty fuck off from me
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 07:09 PM
Apr 2020

That is the exact attitude that got us where we are today. So fucking sorry that she would prefer the orange fucking maggot over a caring, smart, and qualified man. By not voting she is voting from 4 more years of this.

We all know trump has to have a mass casualty every year.

Maria, Kurds, Covid. I guess she figures she is exempt from trump's narcissism. Sooner or later it will land on her doorstep and if she doesn't vote straight D, she has no fucking sympathy from me.

 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
64. Lotta that going around...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 08:56 PM
Apr 2020

I was told to get new friends in an earlier post. I feel like it is worth engaging with them.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,355 posts)
65. A LOT of folks on my FB feed are 100% that Trump has just been re-elected with Biden
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 09:04 PM
Apr 2020

Aside from some of the smears I won't repeat here, they basically complain that people aren't going to be enthusiastic enough to get to the polls. To which, I say, if getting rid of Trump and making sure he doesn't replace RBG and, possibly, Breyer, doesn't work to get your a** to the polls, then I don't know what to tell you. Not everybody was crazy enthusiastic about Bernie either. I wanted Warren, but if Bernie had won the nomination, it still would've been a no-brainer to go out and vote for him in November. I almost feel like some Bernie fans *want* Biden to lose to Trump so that they can come back to the rest of us and taunt us with their prophecy, which would likely be in part to some of them refusing to vote or voting third party.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
66. I have a friend who thinks the earth is 6000 years old.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 09:07 PM
Apr 2020

I gave up talking to him about the subject.

You should do the same.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
67. Your "friend" doesn't know what she's talking about.. Biden
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 09:13 PM
Apr 2020

is our Nominee.. she needs to keep up.

The Voters overwhelmingly Voted for him.. They think he's "Strong" and that counts.

Not those Random "friends" who want to Drag on Joe Biden.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
68. Just remind her that anything is better than the disaster we have right now
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:55 PM
Apr 2020

frustrating as it is - it is the truth

essme

(1,207 posts)
70. Long time DUer just wrote
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:37 AM
Apr 2020

That on their fb page a few days ago. Nope...Will never the person even in a pm.

And the cool story bro comment? I am so sick of reading that....you sound stupid.

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