Chris Hayes @chrislhayes:The excess death data in NYC is so so upsetting and staggering

[BeckyDem]

Link to tweet

[FarPoint]

1. Thinking back...

I believe the death toll for Katrina was greatly off count/ minimized...Just my sense.

[BeckyDem]

2. I should look it up, but I think you're right.

[FarPoint]

3. I recall Anderson Cooper...

Standing in water....a body was floating behind him while he gave the news update...

[BeckyDem]

12. That was horrible!

[leftyladyfrommo]

18. He is really good at making a statement.

I always watch him on YouTube.

[stillcool]

14. and the Iraq war...and Hurricane Maria...

[Squinch]

4. Yes. And the numbers Donnie Bodybags's administration are pushing are bullshit.

[jimfields33]

6. They get numbers from the states don't they?

[Squinch]

7. Did they tell you that?

[jimfields33]

8. Where else are they getting them

Trump’s lazy. You think he’s counting?

[Squinch]

10. Do you think that anything going through trump is accurate and not "adjusted" to

suit his purposes?

[jimfields33]

11. If he was in charge of the websites of course.

[former9thward]

29. Wouldn't Cuomo say something if they were not accruate?

[stopdiggin]

16. why are you fighting about this?

The poster is correct. Numbers are quite clearly coming from state (and local) health departments. (And .. are widely undercounted). End of story.

[Squinch]

22. I wasn't aware I was fighting. Have a lovely evening.

[jimfields33]

5. New York has control of numbers. Hope this fix this.

[Squinch]

9. We are testing more and counting more than most. But because of lack of testing

capacity, our actual knowledge is limited.

[ffr]

13. We the people are being kept in the dark. This WH thinks we're expendable.

We need Biden and as many democrats elected in November to pull the cover off this ugly chapter.

[BeckyDem]

15. We must, they have to go.

[Takket]

17. what is this "excess death data"? I have not heard about this........

also what should be reported as victims (and maybe this is what hayes is referring to) is people WITHOUT the virus that cannot get medical care because the facilities are full. what about the people dying of heart attacks because there is no ambulance? or no bed at the hospital for their bypass??? are we counting those deaths???

[BeckyDem]

20. This may help, its a CDC source:

Potentially excess deaths are calculated by subtracting the expected number of deaths from the observed number of deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/potentially_excess_deaths.htm

[Indykatie]

19. I Read That NYC Non-CV-19 Related Daily Death Count Is 10 Times The Normal

Instead of 25 deaths they are seeing 250 a day. DeBlasio did say that they are working on making a presumption of death for these deaths so the CV-19 ones can be incorporated or at least reported out.

[BeckyDem]

21. Thanks for the info, I had not read that.

[paleotn]

23. Not surprised....

Heart attacks, strokes, etc. haven't gone away. What has become impaired is our healthcare system's ability to cope with pre-CvD-19 emergencies. In my mind, those are still CvD-19 related in many cases and ought to be added to the death toll.

[former9thward]

32. Don't know where you read that.

Normal deaths in NYC is about 60,000 a year or about 164 a day. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080109104254.htm

Don't know where the 250 is coming from.

[druidity33]

36. I just read this too...

Last edited Sat Apr 11, 2020, 07:38 PM - Edit history (1)

It was in reference to EMT and FD responses on Cardiac cases in NYC. IOW when they respond to a call and the patient is in cardiac arrest and dies. Their daily average this time last year was between 25-40 a day. Just this week they've had calls at 250 or so a day.



On edit: might have been this article...

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/fdny-sees-huge-uptick-in-doa-ambulance-cases-as-covid-ravages-city

[Indykatie]

37. I thought it was One of the NY Papers. I'll See If I Can Find it. I Specifically Remember the 10 X.

[Squinch]

39. That was the number of HOME deaths, which is kind of a shocking development.

[Squinch]

38. The number that has gone up tenfold in NY is the number of HOME deaths.

@ 250 vs 25 per day.

[LiberalLovinLug]

24. I suspect the real numbers, for the country, won't come out until next January

And that's only IF Biden wins. Otherwise we will never know. Trump will use a made up number, much smaller than the actual one.

[Victor_c3]

25. True

After the last election I learned not to assume anything

[Squinch]

31. This. Yes.

[Pillow talk]

33. now matter who wins ( a horrifying thought) we will know eventually by

excess mortality numbers.

[OMGWTF]

26. If you can't claim your dead loved one, their body is shipped to Hart Island (Potter's Field)

for burial in a mass numarked grave -- https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/world/unclaimed-covid-19-victims-buried-in-mass-graves-on-new-york-island/ar-BB12sbuh

[BeckyDem]

28. How are people suppose to deal with this?

They lost a loved one and how to navigate a funeral you can't really have? Its too sad.

[lastlib]

27. On a bit of a tangent--consider:

By the official count, one out of every 1,000 New York Citians has died of CV-19 since the epidemic began.

Let that sink in.

[BeckyDem]

30. Horriying how fast this all happened!

[kairos12]

34. The country as a whole has gone full Chernobyl

on the numbers. Can't be trusted at any level.

[BeckyDem]

35. More than 2,200 coronavirus deaths in nursing homes, but federal government isn't tracking them

The numbers are likely a significant undercount, given the limited access to testing and other constraints, state officials and public health experts say.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/more-2-200-coronavirus-deaths-nursing-homes-federal-government-isn-n1181026