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Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:30 PM

 

Bernie Sanders just endorsed Biden

Yay!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/politics/bernie-sanders-endorses-joe-biden/index.html

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Reply Bernie Sanders just endorsed Biden (Original post)
StarfishSaver Apr 2020 OP
klook Apr 2020 #1
mcar Apr 2020 #2
lunatica Apr 2020 #46
Aristus Apr 2020 #3
lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #4
The Magistrate Apr 2020 #5
Magoo48 Apr 2020 #34
The Magistrate Apr 2020 #40
Magoo48 Apr 2020 #42
The Magistrate Apr 2020 #45
Hortensis Apr 2020 #52
TwilightZone Apr 2020 #44
ahoysrcsm Apr 2020 #63
Magoo48 Apr 2020 #66
ahoysrcsm Apr 2020 #67
ahoysrcsm Apr 2020 #68
Magoo48 Apr 2020 #69
calimary Apr 2020 #37
The Magistrate Apr 2020 #41
mikelgb Apr 2020 #53
The Magistrate Apr 2020 #54
mvd Apr 2020 #58
The Magistrate Apr 2020 #60
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #6
The Magistrate Apr 2020 #18
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #19
The Magistrate Apr 2020 #22
treestar Apr 2020 #49
The Magistrate Apr 2020 #50
ibegurpard Apr 2020 #28
mcar Apr 2020 #32
honest.abe Apr 2020 #35
mcar Apr 2020 #38
ConnorMarc Apr 2020 #33
betsuni Apr 2020 #61
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #62
Codeine Apr 2020 #65
nolabear Apr 2020 #7
Walleye Apr 2020 #10
aidbo Apr 2020 #8
Walleye Apr 2020 #9
calimary Apr 2020 #11
ConnorMarc Apr 2020 #12
Alex4Martinez Apr 2020 #13
sunonmars Apr 2020 #14
sunonmars Apr 2020 #15
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #29
honest.abe Apr 2020 #16
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #21
honest.abe Apr 2020 #25
GeorgiaPeanut Apr 2020 #17
ancianita Apr 2020 #31
democrank Apr 2020 #36
ancianita Apr 2020 #47
vercetti2021 Apr 2020 #20
ibegurpard Apr 2020 #23
Politicub Apr 2020 #24
marlakay Apr 2020 #26
Gothmog Apr 2020 #27
Alacritous Crier Apr 2020 #30
Sloumeau Apr 2020 #39
LisaL Apr 2020 #43
UCmeNdc Apr 2020 #48
warmfeet Apr 2020 #51
MineralMan Apr 2020 #55
Gothmog Apr 2020 #56
mvd Apr 2020 #57
Mister Ed Apr 2020 #59
Hortensis Apr 2020 #64
Cha Apr 2020 #70

Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:33 PM

1. NY Times coverage:

Bernie Sanders Endorses Joe Biden for President

Joint video conference happening just wrapping up now (YouTube link):

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:34 PM

2. Good

Wonder why now but not last week. Glad to see it, though.

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Response to mcar (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:00 PM

46. I think Bernie was waiting to have some of his ideas included

What comes to mind is Biden’s including Bernie’s student loans issue on his platform. I think there was something else too, but I can’t think of it right now.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:34 PM

3. The Russian trollbots are not going to like that.

They're going to have to do some actual work, instead of cutting and pasting the usual "Corporate Dem-sellout-centrist agenda-both parties the same-etc-etc-etc. stuff, and then kicking back for a vodka...

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:36 PM

4. Can I get and "Amen"???

Deep breaths. If nothing else, it will be more difficult to fake a false election against Biden than it would have been for any other candidate.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:39 PM

5. He Must Still Make Good On It At The Convention, Sir

Any talk of 'leverage' to force platform and rules changes must go by the board.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:27 PM

34. That's ridiculous,,,

The convention is where a platform is designed and constructed, not where everyone kneels and swears to co-sign the positions of one faction.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:45 PM

40. And The Man With A Solid Minority, Sir

Has legitimately all the influence he is owed when a vote goes against him by a three to two margin. That is Sanders position. His earlier claims he would have 'leverage' at the convention were nothing but a threat to repeat the performance of his delegates at the 2016 convention. For that is certainly something Mr. Biden, and all Democrats, wish to avoid, as it would only benefit the cheap thug we must evict from office.

If there is to actually be unity, and a joint effort, he must stand down from these threats, and accept he is not in charge, and will get only what the majority is inclined to give him. the better he behaves, the more he may get. Threats will get him nothing but named in history as the man who did more than any other to put Trump in office, and maintain Trump in office when the last chips were down.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #40)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:48 PM

42. Ok, this not what you originally said.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #42)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:59 PM

45. It Is Exactly What I Have Always Maintained, Sir

The only possible difference between the two comments is that I translated Sanders' euphemism 'leverage' into plain English. Politics and governance, looked at squarely, are the business of determining who tells whom what's what. In a democratic body, or a democratic polity, this is determined by who has majority backing. In democratic governments and bodies, a minority faction cannot dictate terms. Sanders does not seem to have internalized this, and until he does, and states he will countenance no disruption, no displays of 'leverage', at the Party's national convention, his statements today, while to the good, cannot be trusted to indicate Sanders has joined in a unity of purpose and efforts. Mr. Biden is wise to treat today's statements publicly as such a juncture, and I would expect no less from a skilled professional. I am merely an irregular skirmishing in a political forum, and so am free to state things clearly.

"The wise victor presents his demands in installments."

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:30 PM

52. Umhm. Sanders has to decide how he wants to spend the

rest of his political life, and he may have decided on a working relationship that would allow him to remain relevant and retain a place in the national spotlight on Biden. It is of course just like Biden to try to serve Sanders Democrats by offering their choice a chance at a meaningful role.

As said, of course, we'll see if Sanders can and will stick it. On the plus side, he has been disciplined enough to remain in congress since 1991, albeit with almost no attention paid to his complaints. But he knows how if he wants to. And while it'll enrage some followers, it'll please others to have him involved as we move forward.

In any case, very good show today from these guys, starkly different from his endorsement of HRC, and glad to see it.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #34)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 01:56 PM

63. Something, something, establishment....

So, you voting for Joe Biden, or what?

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Response to ahoysrcsm (Reply #63)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 07:49 AM

66. Of course, I'm voting blue no matter who.

I have not, on the other hand, adopted a collar and a leash.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #66)

Fri Apr 17, 2020, 06:34 PM

68. What does "adopted a collar and a leash." mean? I don't understand.

Magoo48

66. Of course, I'm voting blue no matter who.
View profile
I have not, on the other hand, adopted a collar and a leash.

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Response to ahoysrcsm (Reply #68)

Fri Apr 17, 2020, 07:51 PM

69. Just my way of saying I reserve the right to think critically

and question, evaluate, and oppose my party and my candidate when I so chose.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:36 PM

37. Sad but true.

I keep thinking about the old slang "is you is, or is you ain't?"

Or the old Ken Kesey bit from "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" - "are you on the bus or off the bus?"

We HAVE TO win this.

We HAVE TO win this.

We HAVE TO win this.

It's all or nothing at this point. And Joe Biden isn't perfect, but the effort he's put in, as a graceful winner, proving he's a uniter, proving he has an empathetic heart while America is beside itself with confusion and fear. The effort he's put in, to reach across, be inclusive and gentle with a vanquished opponent. Classy. And SO definitely not a showboat. Dunno about anybody else but I myself am sick to death by now of the fucking reality show that so-called "pResident"-ringmaster-quizmaster-doctor-emcee-tabloid celeb trump produces and presents, and force-feeds us every day. And of course he's its star, leading man, international sensation, and lord and master too.

Bernie - I hope you and your followers can come to understand, sincerely, that you are going to get A LOT more of what you want and yearn to see for this country from a President Joe Biden, than you EVER will from trump. EVER.


Oh, and I forgot to say We HAVE TO win this.

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Response to calimary (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:47 PM

41. Well Put, Ma'am

One hopes against hope 'Bernie' has what it takes to pass the acid test....

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:35 PM

53. The pudding still not sweet enough, Sir?

Go figure

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Response to mikelgb (Reply #53)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:45 PM

54. Actions Count For More Than Words, Sir

In this instance I do not mind repeating myself. Sanders must cease talk of 'leverage' to force changes in the platform and the rules at the convention. So long as he holds threat of disruption in reserve, Sanders has not joined in union with Mr. Biden's campaign to evict the cheap thug Trump from the White House. That is what he has to do, and he has to do it unreservedly.

I am happy to keep an open mind, and consider it possible Sanders will move on down the road he must travel, and do so soon enough to pull the teeth of whatever firebrands his organizations in the various states have credentialed as delegates committed to him. Past performance being the best guide to future action, however, I will need more convincing than 'Bernie' has provided today, welcome though his first steps to responsible behavior today are.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #54)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 05:09 PM

58. First of all, hi Magistrate

Good to see you again. Well, we have never agreed on people like Bernie (we have been respectful though) so I hope we can focus on getting Trump out as the next step.

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Response to mvd (Reply #58)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 05:25 PM

60. Hello, My Friend

A pleasure to see your comment. I am certainly focused on that, and will accept any ally to the cause. I repeat, it is my sincere hope we can have Mr. Sanders in the ranks as well.

Be well, and stay safe!

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:39 PM

6. So when do the bros throw Bernie under the bus?

What will Sirota, Gray and Turner have to say?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:08 PM

18. Wife Who Does Twitter, Ma'am, says It Is Already Happening

A hashtag 'Sorry, Bernie' indicating he is a shill and a sell-out and no true 'Bernie' supporter will ever vote for Biden....

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:09 PM

19. Quelle surprise.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:11 PM

22. His Comments Today Are A Good Thing, Ma'am

But it is questionable whether there is any point to making a deal with the man, not on grounds he couldn't be trusted to deliver, but on grounds there really is nothing he can deliver....

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:19 PM

49. lol there is an Onion article

About Bernie Supporters who are continuing without Bernie.

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Response to treestar (Reply #49)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:30 PM

50. The Onion Provides The Best Journalism Available At Times, Ma'am

That was a piece in the 'it's so funny because it's so true' class....

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:16 PM

28. Some of them will come around

And some won't. I suspect we will see a lot more coming around that may have been holdouts 4 years ago.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:22 PM

32. Already happening

Seems some folks are seeing the money dry up.




With the utmost respect for Bernie Sanders, who is an incredible human being & a genuine inspiration, I don't endorse Joe Biden.

I supported Bernie Sanders because he backed ideas like #MedicareForAll, cancelling ALL student debt, & a wealth tax. Biden supports none of those.


?s=20

If you’re a Bernie supporter who is angered by his endorsement, I would like to hear from you. DMs are open.


?s=20

I'd never vote for Donald Trump.

But for me to actually campaign, volunteer, donate, and endorse @JoeBiden - here are the 5 things I'd have to see first. https://thenorthstar.com/shaun-king-i-would-endorse-and-even-campaign-for-joe-biden-if-he-did-these-five-things/

I hope they happen. Truly.

A thread....

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Response to mcar (Reply #32)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:27 PM

35. Incredibly stupid comment by Gray.

There are only two choices now.. Trump and Biden. By not endorsing Biden she endorses Trump by default.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #35)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:36 PM

38. And of course she knows this

They all know it. They just don't care.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:27 PM

33. Read it for yourself...

 

Only Briahna has responded to this development thus far...





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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 09:00 PM

61. It's happening at JPR.

Trump is the lesser of two evils for some of them (Biden is sure to start new wars because he "never saw a war he didn't like" plus the usual neoliberal corporatist + conspiracy theory stuff and only four more years of Trump is better than eight of a Biden administration ). They insist it's all about policy and not some sort of cult, so they don't have to do what Bernie says. "Bernie Sanders is dead to me." They are proud of Gray's refusal follow Bernie's endorsement. They are sad. The party's over.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #61)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 09:04 PM

62. JPR has become a cesspool. It's sad because the DUer it was named after,

Jackpine Radical, was a gentle soul, not like those frothing loons at all.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #62)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 02:25 PM

65. It ever was a cesspool.

 

A pox on all who post there.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:41 PM

7. They just did Joe's podcast together!

It was so great I teared up.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:48 PM

10. Me too. Powerful love of Americans

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:42 PM

8. hmmm, wonder why it is taking Senator Warren so long to endorse?

 

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:47 PM

9. It was a what they call a full-throated endorsement. The podcast was hope shining on the horizon.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:55 PM

11. Thank you, Bernie!

Appreciate your stepping up like that. Nice way to do it. I hope it can move some of your most ardent believers - 'cuz we need you to be pulling with us. Shows you do know how to do the right thing.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:57 PM

12. Well, if nobody else is...

 

Bernie is CERTAINLY a stand-up guy.

That much I know.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:58 PM

13. Yay! eom

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:00 PM

14. I kind of expected it yesterday when Biden adopted some of his platform...i thought something was up

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:03 PM

15. So he has also merged staff with Bidens and sacked Sirota and Joy Gray.

Interesting.

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Response to sunonmars (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:16 PM

29. That might have been part of the deal with Biden.

I'm sure he didn't want to keep those two assholes around.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:06 PM

16. Well I have to admit I didnt think he was actually going to do it until the bitter end.

My apologies to Bernie and his supporters for all the negative things I have said about him during the past several months.

Thank you Bernie! This helps immensely and likely guarantees a win in Nov. Im sure the GOPers and Dump are terribly disappointed.


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Response to honest.abe (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:11 PM

21. Me, too. I was afraid of a reprise of 2016.

I guess he saw that defeating Trump was more important than his narrow ideology - but it looks like Brihanna and the Bros aren't having it.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:14 PM

25. It will be interesting to see what his hard core surrogates and supporters will do now.

I guess something like Bernie was forced to endorse or tricked into it by Biden.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:08 PM

17. Now the "movement" will turn on him for behaving like a normal candidate

 

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Response to GeorgiaPeanut (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:21 PM

31. The "movement" isn't what you think. It's not characterized by paid bros or paid Reputin trolls.

It's characterized by at least 80% millennials. So please don't paint his voters with a broad brush. They're going to work together, follow them both to the convention, and do what Sanders and Biden agree on.

It's time to stop worrying about division, and welcome the unified front that we have, not pass along or amplify the lines of the Brad Parscale doubt and division machine.

Let's focus on what's good about this, like Sanders' local VT coverage does.
https://vtdigger.org/2020/04/13/sanders-endorses-biden-for-president-tells-supporters-to-come-together/

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Response to ancianita (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:34 PM

36. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, ancianita.

~peace~

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Response to democrank (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:03 PM

47. ...

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:10 PM

20. Good

Now lets get that sonofabitch Trump out of our white house.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:12 PM

23. Excellent news!

Certainly won't be good enough for some here who will continue to move the goalposts but this will go a long way towards consolidating support by the time November gets here.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:12 PM

24. That's amazing news

Love this quote from Biden:

Biden called the endorsement a “big deal,” including to him personally.

“If I am the nominee, which it looks like now you just made me, I am going to need you, not just to win the campaign, but to govern,” Biden said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/bernie-sanders-endorses-joe-biden-for-president.html

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:15 PM

26. I wonder why he didn't mention podcast

When he was live on the view this morning. They asked him about Bernie and he said he will do it when time is ready for him and said he respected Bernie and tried to talk to his supporters about a few things of his and Liz he was supporting now.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:15 PM

27. Yeah

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:19 PM

30. Wonderful! -- nt

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:42 PM

39. Good Job, Bernie! :) nt

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:50 PM

43. That was actually a very sincere endorsement.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:08 PM

48. Good On Ya Mr. Sanders! Now let's get Trump and his incompetent administration out of office!

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:30 PM

51. Wonderful news!

We need everyone on board. If another 4 years of the current monster don't motivate people to vote for Joe, I don't know what will. Anyway, I am happy for this endorsement.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 05:04 PM

55. Some, no doubt, will continue to support a

"Pantomime Bernie Sanders." (Egregious Monty Python Reference)

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 05:04 PM

56. Here is a good example as to why I love Joe Biden

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 05:07 PM

57. I feel this is the right decision

Bernie in the WH would be a dream come true. But it is not happening, and we have a much better chance of convincing Biden on issues than the Asshole in the White House.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2020, 05:18 PM

59. My hat is off to Senator Bernie Sanders.

My appreciation of him for this action is heartfelt and unequivocal.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 02:01 PM

64. And after a courteous one-day delay, President Obama follows suit!

President Obama spoke to all America, with special note of Sanders supporters, in his endorsement.

Of course. In speaking of Biden, he also described himself: "The kind of leadership that’s guided by knowledge and experience; honesty and humility; empathy and grace – that kind of leadership ... belongs in the White House."

And we're off!

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2020, 09:00 PM

70. KICK!!

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