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Wed Apr 15, 2020, 07:49 PM

Never thought I'd say it but I miss Chris Matthew's no BS voice right now. Institutional knowledge

can't be easily replaced. He was obnoxious and dismissive, but was unafraid to speak the truth to power. I miss that.

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Reply Never thought I'd say it but I miss Chris Matthew's no BS voice right now. Institutional knowledge (Original post)
Evolve Dammit Apr 2020 OP
mzmolly Apr 2020 #1
Demonaut Apr 2020 #2
phylny Apr 2020 #3
Hoyt Apr 2020 #4
Under The Radar Apr 2020 #5
demmiblue Apr 2020 #6
PCIntern Apr 2020 #10
42bambi Apr 2020 #7
Bayard Apr 2020 #8
malaise Apr 2020 #9
PCIntern Apr 2020 #11
Celerity Apr 2020 #15
PCIntern Apr 2020 #17
Celerity Apr 2020 #19
oasis Apr 2020 #20
Celerity Apr 2020 #21
Celerity Apr 2020 #22
oasis Apr 2020 #23
Celerity Apr 2020 #25
oasis Apr 2020 #26
Voltaire2 Apr 2020 #12
doc03 Apr 2020 #13
Skittles Apr 2020 #16
katmondoo Apr 2020 #14
grandpamike1 Apr 2020 #18
Evolve Dammit Apr 2020 #29
StevieM Apr 2020 #24
Iggo Apr 2020 #27
UTUSN Apr 2020 #30
lamp_shade Apr 2020 #28
librechik Apr 2020 #31

Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 07:50 PM

1. I do also.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 07:52 PM

2. HE'S OUT TO PASTURE WHERE HE SHOULD BE

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 07:52 PM

3. Has anyone taken over permanently?

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 07:54 PM

4. Me too. But, truthfully, the current hosts have done a good job.

I get why Matthews had to go, but I’ve appreciated his remarks in past on this kind of stuff. He’d definitely be laughing out loud at trump’s idiocy lately.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 07:56 PM

5. I do hate that MSNBC doesn't have a consistent batting order

But I do like how all of the other host allow the guest to answer the questions that the host ask of them. Chris drove me nuts with his impatience.
Poor Ari Melber and Joy Reid are working a lot of overtime working weekends and empty slots.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 07:56 PM

6. A big NOPE from me. n/t

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:23 PM

10. I agree

He was a creep in so many ways.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:05 PM

7. I wish he could be a guest on the Melber or Hayes show via Skype. He certainly has

the experience to engage in critical constitutional/institutional conversations - with any one of the evening MSNBC hosts.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:13 PM

8. I miss his experience.

Ironic that a month before this all happened, MSNBC was playing a constant parade of people celebrating his--what was it? 30 years on the air?

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:22 PM

9. And for all his faults, he sure had that institutional memory

I do miss Tweety

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Response to malaise (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:30 PM

11. Tweety's Institutional memory

1. Tip O’Neill, a fellow “landsman”, took no shit but worked with the “great” Ronald Reagan successfully. Wotta guy.

2. Jimmy Carter was a level guy but ineffective

3. Nixon was a crook but brilliant and a closet liberal

4. Although W gave him a tingle up his third leg, he betrayed the country by listening to Cheeeeenee.

5. Repeat the above ad nauseum.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 09:19 PM

15. I thought it was Obama who gave him a tingle.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:57 PM

17. Nope. It was W in his Mission Accomplished flightsuit

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:26 PM

19. I looked it up, he did gush over Bush then, but the thrill up his leg statement was about Obama

Still Tingling: The 10th Anniversary of Chris Matthews’s ‘Thrill' Up the Leg

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2018/02/12/still-tingling-10th-anniversary-chris-matthewss-thrill-leg

As tough as journalists are on Donald Trump, it’s hard to believe they ever loved a president as much as Barack Obama. Somehow, it’s now been a full decade since Chris Matthews announced his famous “thrill” up the leg. Provoked by Obama’s speeches during the 2008 Democratic primaries, the MSNBC host prompted ten years of mockery for the fawning comment.

What isn’t known by many is the back story behind the sycophantic remark, the comment’s little-known prequel and just how irritated Matthews gets when called on the remark. At 10:13pm on February 12, 2008, after Obama won primaries in Virginia, Maryland and Washington D.C., the Hardball host reacted this way:





now in the interest of fairness, he was an absolute asshole over Bush, for sure


Mission Accomplished: A look back at the media's fawning coverage of Bush's premature declaration of victory in Iraq

https://www.mediamatters.org/laura-ingraham/mission-accomplished-look-back-medias-fawning-coverage-bushs-premature-declaration

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Chief among the cheerleaders was MSNBC's Chris Matthews. On the May 1, 2003, edition of Hardball, Matthews was joined in his effusive praise of Bush by right-wing pundit Ann Coulter and “Democrat” Pat Caddell. Former U.S. Rep. Robert K. Dornan (R-CA) also appeared on the program.:

MATTHEWS: What's the importance of the president's amazing display of leadership tonight?

[...]

MATTHEWS: What do you make of the actual visual that people will see on TV and probably, as you know, as well as I, will remember a lot longer than words spoken tonight? And that's the president looking very much like a jet, you know, a high-flying jet star. A guy who is a jet pilot. Has been in the past when he was younger, obviously. What does that image mean to the American people, a guy who can actually get into a supersonic plane and actually fly in an unpressurized cabin like an actual jet pilot?

[...]

MATTHEWS: Do you think this role, and I want to talk politically [...], the president deserves everything he's doing tonight in terms of his leadership. He won the war. He was an effective commander. Everybody recognizes that, I believe, except a few critics. Do you think he is defining the office of the presidency, at least for this time, as basically that of commander in chief? That [...] if you're going to run against him, you'd better be ready to take [that] away from him.

[...]

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, Bob Dornan, you were a congressman all those years. Here's a president who's really nonverbal. He's like Eisenhower. He looks great in a military uniform. He looks great in that cowboy costume he wears when he goes West. I remember him standing at that fence with Colin Powell. Was [that] the best picture in the 2000 campaign?

[...]

MATTHEWS: Ann Coulter, you're the first to speak tonight on the buzz. The president's performance tonight, redolent of the best of Reagan -- what do you think?

COULTER: It's stunning. It's amazing. I think it's huge. I mean, he's landing on a boat at 150 miles per hour. It's tremendous. It's hard to imagine any Democrat being able to do that. And it doesn't matter if Democrats try to ridicule it. It's stunning, and it speaks for itself.

MATTHEWS: Pat Caddell, the president's performance tonight on television, his arrival on ship?

CADDELL: Well, first of all, Chris, the -- I think that -- you know, I was -- when I first heard about it, I was kind of annoyed. It sounded like the kind of PR stunt that Bill Clinton would pull. But and then I saw it. And you know, there's a real -- there's a real affection between him and the troops.

[...]

MATTHEWS: The president there -- look at this guy! We're watching him. He looks like he flew the plane. He only flew it as a passenger, but he's flown --

CADDELL: He looks like a fighter pilot.

MATTHEWS: He looks for real. What is it about the commander in chief role, the hat that he does wear, that makes him -- I mean, he seems like -- he didn't fight in a war, but he looks like he does.

CADDELL: Yes. It's a -- I don't know. You know, it's an internal thing. I don't know if you can put it into words. [...] You can see it with him and the troops, the ease with which he talks to them. I was amazed by that, frankly, because as I said, I was originally appalled, particularly when I heard he was going in an F-18. But -- on there -- but the -- but you know, that was --

MATTHEWS: Look at this guy!

CADDELL: -- was hard not to be moved by their reaction to him and his reaction to them and --

MATTHEWS: You know, Ann --

CADDELL: -- you know, they -- it's a quality. It's an innate quality. It's a real quality.

MATTHEWS: I know. I think you're right.

Later that day, on MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann, Matthews said:

MATTHEWS: We're proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who's physical, who's not a complicated guy like [former President Bill] Clinton or even like [former Democratic presidential candidates Michael] Dukakis or [Walter] Mondale, all those guys, [George] McGovern. They want a guy who's president. Women like a guy who's president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. It's simple. We're not like the Brits. We don't want an indoor prime minister type, or the Danes or the Dutch or the Italians, or a [Russian Federation President Vladimir] Putin. Can you imagine Putin getting elected here? We want a guy as president.

On the May 7, 2003, edition of Hardball, Matthews asked former Nixon administration official G. Gordon Liddy what he thought of the response to Bush's landing on the Abraham Lincoln. Looking at the footage, Liddy commented that Bush's flight suit made “the best of his manly characteristic.” From the May 7 Hardball:

MATTHEWS: What do you make of this broadside against the USS Abraham Lincoln and its chief visitor last week?

LIDDY: Well, I -- in the first place, I think it's envy. I mean, after all, Al Gore had to go get some woman to tell him how to be a man. And here comes George Bush. You know, he's in his flight suit, he's striding across the deck, and he's wearing his parachute harness, you know -- and I've worn those because I parachute -- and it makes the best of his manly characteristic. You go run those -- run that stuff again of him walking across there with the parachute. He has just won every woman's vote in the United States of America. You know, all those women who say size doesn't count -- they're all liars. Check that out. I hope the Democrats keep ratting on him and all of this stuff so that they keep showing that tape.

MATTHEWS: You know, it's funny. I shouldn't talk about ratings. I don't always pay attention to them, but last night was a riot because, at the very time [U.S. Rep.] Henry Waxman [D-CA] was on -- and I do respect him on legislative issues -- he was on blasting away, and these pictures were showing last night, and everybody's tuning in to see these pictures again.



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and

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-matthews-was-against-the-iraq-war-while-he-was-tingling-over-it/

That episode alone is more than enough to cancel out several careers’ worth of opposition to the war, but not only didn’t it stop there, it also didn’t start there. Before the Iraq invasion, before the vote on the Iraq resolution, Matthews was already signaling how he would deal with the real critics of the war. In an interview with Phil Donahue, Matthews slammed his then-MSNBC host for “making fun” of those who supported the invasion, and chalked that support up to a “patriotic impulse”:




Donahue was fired for being too critical of the war, while Matthews went on to succeed as a cheerleader for Bush’s costume party, and for the Iraqi election that put Nouri al Maliki in power, which Matthews thought might land Dubya on Mount Rushmore:

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Response to Celerity (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:32 PM

20. Ann Coulter and Pat Caddell.

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Response to oasis (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:35 PM

21. I know!!!!

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Response to oasis (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:42 PM

22. oh wow, I did not know Caddell died in 2019

he morphed into a real piece of shit

Patrick Hayward Caddell (May 19, 1950 – February 16, 2019)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Caddell

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In 1988, Caddell left Democratic consulting firm Caddell, Doak and Shrum after what The Washington Post described as an "acrimonious lawsuit". Republicans would often cite Caddell's tirades against the Democratic Party when they spoke on the floor of the House and the Senate.

Caddell's analysis on polls and campaign issues often put him at odds with the leadership of the Democratic Party. He was criticized by Media Matters for America and Salon columnist Steve Kornacki for predicting negative consequences for the Democratic Party. He called environmentalism "a conspiracy 'to basically deconstruct capitalism.'"

Caddell was a regular guest on Fox News, and at the time of his death was listed as an official "Fox News Contributor". This earned him the label of a "Fox News Democrat" by critics such as liberal online opinion magazine Salon. He also frequently appeared on the conservative Web site Ricochet.com, discussing politics.

According to online magazine Slate, Caddell was involved in identifying people willing to participate in the 2012 anti-Obama documentary The Hope and the Change, produced by Steve Bannon and Citizens United.

In the 2016 election cycle, Caddell exerted considerable influence in his capacity as advisor to Republican contributor Robert Mercer, who was a major fundraiser for the successful candidacy of Donald Trump.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:55 PM

23. I detected Caddell's slide long before his 2016 "Mercer Love".

I wrote him off as just another version of Dick Morris (minus the toe-sucking).

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Response to oasis (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:04 AM

25. had to google the toe-sucking, eeeeeek

that was 2 months (his resignation from the Clinton campaign) after I was born



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Response to Celerity (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:14 AM

26. After Morris was no longer in the service of Pres. Clinton, he became

a full time character assassin of both Clintons.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:31 PM

12. You meant 'no off switch bs voice'?

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:47 PM

13. I don't miss him I'm glad he is gone nt

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Response to doc03 (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 10:18 PM

16. ditto

the codpiece-loving, slobbering act was just too much for me

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 09:15 PM

14. What I want to know is why I see Chuck Todd on MSNBC almost all day.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:09 PM

18. I watched him

For years, but finally got tired of his talking over guests, and ever to the point that, he would answer his questions as well. He was past his Use By date.

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Response to grandpamike1 (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 03:08 PM

29. We was rude, but his calling out of Drumpf nightly is what I miss

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:01 AM

24. I was just thinking that right before I saw this post. I miss him too. (eom)

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:27 AM

27. No bullshit? Which Chris Mathews is that?

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Response to Iggo (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 03:27 PM

30. You said it for me. Was going to say, Tweety was "no B.S."?!1

As a DUer said years ago: "WHEN he's on our side there's nobody better."






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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:20 AM

28. I miss his too, Evolve. I miss his passion, his knowledge of and love for history.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 03:47 PM

31. I do not miss him. What an albatross!

speak truth to power? not a lot of that, frankly. He's a star fucker supreme in the political arena.

Good riddance

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