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Mosby

(16,263 posts)
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:12 AM Apr 2020

Amy Klobuchar is Joe Biden's most logical pick for vice president

Former vice president Joe Biden’s general-election message is clear and, for a Democrat, oddly nostalgic: He wants a return to an idealized vision of pre-Trump politics. He believes politicians from both parties can achieve concrete improvements for everyday people without burning the system down or changing it radically. It’s a smart message, tailored to win over the anti-Trump majority, and it just might allow Biden to take back some of those famous Midwestern Obama-to-Trump states.

If Biden wants to use his vice-presidential pick to amplify that message rather than broadening it, there’s an obvious choice who agrees with his theory of change, can offer insight into the states he needs to win and ultimately can help him govern: Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar.

Klobuchar easily surpasses the minimum requirements for the job. She’s been in the Senate for over 13 years. She ran a strong campaign for president in 2020, ultimately placing third in New Hampshire and proving she can deal with the rigors of a general-election campaign. And in her nearly year-long presidential campaign, no reporter or rival campaign found a major scandal or damning opposition research, other than stories about her being a tough boss and, like Biden, changing her stance on race and policing issues.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/15/amy-klobuchar-is-joe-bidens-most-logical-pick-vice-president/

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Amy Klobuchar is Joe Biden's most logical pick for vice president (Original Post) Mosby Apr 2020 OP
Don't think this is a good idea. theaocp Apr 2020 #1
I agree Mad cow Apr 2020 #24
Really? On how many debates did Kaine participate? How many delegates did he have question everything Apr 2020 #59
Elizabeth said last night that she would definitely accept the VP position Mandeville Apr 2020 #2
Would be very pleased if Warren was Biden's VP. PufPuf23 Apr 2020 #34
While I like both Warren and Biden very much we don't need two old white people on the ballot csziggy Apr 2020 #51
A 78 yrs old should not pick a 70 yr old as a running mate question everything Apr 2020 #58
lKa-ma-la!!! nt Baltimike Apr 2020 #3
After she blind sided him at the debate do you think that would be a problem? mitch96 Apr 2020 #28
another "Tim Kane" pick ebbie15644 Apr 2020 #4
He was not as well known treestar Apr 2020 #13
He also did nothing to excite the base, how does ebbie15644 Apr 2020 #17
She had voters that were for her treestar Apr 2020 #19
Yeah No. gibraltar72 Apr 2020 #5
No thanks! nt USALiberal Apr 2020 #6
For whitebread USA - no thanks. harumph Apr 2020 #7
I'm all for it Dem2 Apr 2020 #8
Definitely no thanks. n/t monmouth4 Apr 2020 #9
Would you vote for the ticket? Mosby Apr 2020 #10
Since I already have to hold my noise, yes, of course I would vote for the ticket. Not much choice. monmouth4 Apr 2020 #16
Harris Eyeball_Kid Apr 2020 #11
Harris has baggage. Lots of it. Mosby Apr 2020 #15
She could help flip Florida Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #26
That's just a fucking ridiculous talking point that holds no weight outside DU. MrsCoffee Apr 2020 #35
Why are you bashing a Democratic leader? marble falls Apr 2020 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Apr 2020 #43
I'm allowed to have an opinion. Mosby Apr 2020 #44
What baggage? Joe Biden did badly in at least two primaries. marble falls Apr 2020 #45
Sorry respectfully disagree Tribetime Apr 2020 #12
As long as we can be confident her treestar Apr 2020 #14
"He believes politicians from both parties can achieve concrete improvements..." - Wrong Yavin4 Apr 2020 #18
An oh so white admin? NO! WhiteTara Apr 2020 #20
Exactly. Horse with no Name Apr 2020 #32
I'm sort of embarrassed for her WhiteTara Apr 2020 #36
I like both Klobuchar and Harris. I'd be very happy with comradebillyboy Apr 2020 #21
I wonder how the major contenders poll in MI, WI, and PA exboyfil Apr 2020 #22
Don't know if she is THE most logical choice, but definitely A logical choice DFW Apr 2020 #23
Enjoy your posts HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #41
There is a madness to my method DFW Apr 2020 #47
That's sort of what I thought you might say HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #50
Certainly possible DFW Apr 2020 #52
Lol nope. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #25
Terrible choice Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #27
Agreed. Amy is as dull as dishwater. smirkymonkey Apr 2020 #66
Harris is from a solid blue state Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #70
Amy's not a good idea, IMO. Greybnk48 Apr 2020 #29
What's needed? A team to WIN and to GOVERN successfully. Ready on day One plus a Joe Biden to Biden MFGsunny Apr 2020 #30
Lol. MrsCoffee Apr 2020 #31
Your keyboard to Joe's lips. WhiteTara Apr 2020 #37
Harris did poorly as a primary candidate. Mosby Apr 2020 #40
Biden did horribly as a primary candidate twice TeamPooka Apr 2020 #71
Not my preference. Happy Hoosier Apr 2020 #33
David Byler's disclaimer jxla Apr 2020 #38
She's Tim "Vegetable Lasagna" Kaine 2.0 Ace Rothstein Apr 2020 #39
I think she would be a good choice Bayard Apr 2020 #46
Governors are a always a shot in the dark when taken out of their familiar surroundings DFW Apr 2020 #48
I hope not. Id love to see him pick Tammy Duckworth Arazi Apr 2020 #49
I've thought of her too... Bayard Apr 2020 #61
Her father is a US citizen so she's considered a natural born citizen Arazi Apr 2020 #62
I like Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Tammy Duckworth and Gretchen Whitmer mvd Apr 2020 #53
Duckworth was born in Thailand, does that matter? Mosby Apr 2020 #55
I assume she can, but maybe someone can clarify mvd Apr 2020 #56
No. Her father was a US citizen so she's considered a natural born citizen Arazi Apr 2020 #63
Even though she was not actually born in the U.S.? Bayard Apr 2020 #64
we went through this with McCain , she is considered US born Citizen just like McCain was JI7 Apr 2020 #65
There's flexibility. John McCain was born in Panama Arazi Apr 2020 #67
No No No No budkin Apr 2020 #54
No thanks Marrah_Goodman Apr 2020 #57
No. Just No! Behind the Aegis Apr 2020 #60
She would be the kiss of death. smirkymonkey Apr 2020 #68
Of the top 11 or 12 names floated, she would be the worst, agreed Celerity Apr 2020 #74
NO Skittles Apr 2020 #69
Whitmer is an even stronger choice along those same lines Recursion Apr 2020 #72
hard pass nt Celerity Apr 2020 #73
I don't OBJECT to her ibegurpard Apr 2020 #75

question everything

(47,440 posts)
59. Really? On how many debates did Kaine participate? How many delegates did he have
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:10 PM
Apr 2020

Oh, forgot, he was not a Presidential candidate.

But, perhaps, you did not follow the campaigns so far.

Klobuchar will bring the Midwest, the rural, many Republicans mostly, is not a "coasty" like Harris and Warren.

Wh

PufPuf23

(8,756 posts)
34. Would be very pleased if Warren was Biden's VP.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:55 AM
Apr 2020

Warren was my original first choice in the POTUS primaries.

BTW Warren was a guest on Samantha Bee last evening.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
51. While I like both Warren and Biden very much we don't need two old white people on the ballot
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:43 PM
Apr 2020

Sure, it's a step forward for one to be a woman, but Biden is 77 and Warren is 70. We need a much younger VP that hopefully is also a person of color. A woman would be a plus.

His age was the major reason I did not support Biden from the beginning. Now, of course I will support and vote for him, but I wish one of the younger, extremely talented Democrats who ran had made it to the top.

As a Boomer, I was very happy to have a young man as President for eight years and hope to see a young woman as President soon. I also want the Presidency to be as diverse as this country is. And I think that every President should be younger than I am going forward.

Elizabeth Warren is valuable to the country as a Senator or would make a brilliant member of the Cabinet, if we can spare her from the Senate.

mitch96

(13,872 posts)
28. After she blind sided him at the debate do you think that would be a problem?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:22 AM
Apr 2020

I think she would be great.. Biden step down after two years and then let her run the ship for two.. Then get re elected for four more.. Six total would fix tRumps disasters...
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ebbie15644

(1,214 posts)
17. He also did nothing to excite the base, how does
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:30 AM
Apr 2020

Klobuchar excite the base? she doesn't. Turnout by people of color is necessary, does this move the ball? no it doesn't

treestar

(82,383 posts)
19. She had voters that were for her
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:36 AM
Apr 2020

the base does not require being "excited" by the VP. Now we are demanding to be excited by the VP too? Aren't our lives exciting enough yet?

monmouth4

(9,686 posts)
16. Since I already have to hold my noise, yes, of course I would vote for the ticket. Not much choice.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:28 AM
Apr 2020

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
11. Harris
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:24 AM
Apr 2020

Tough, sensitive, brilliant, POC, aggressive advocate for the less fortunate. If nominated, and elected, there is little worry that the Democrats’ Senate count will suffer. Amy is also a great candidate, but is needed more in the Senate, IMO.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
35. That's just a fucking ridiculous talking point that holds no weight outside DU.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:55 AM
Apr 2020

And where have we heard that shit before? Oh yeah, Hillary had lots of “baggage”. Yet she won the election in 2016 and the only thing that kept her from office was treason.

I’ll take Harris and her “baggage” any day.

Response to marble falls (Reply #42)

Mosby

(16,263 posts)
44. I'm allowed to have an opinion.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:44 PM
Apr 2020

I'm not bashing anyone. Harris did quite poorly in the primary, others did much better.

Yavin4

(35,423 posts)
18. "He believes politicians from both parties can achieve concrete improvements..." - Wrong
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:34 AM
Apr 2020

This is the big problem for me right here. There is no such thing as working with Republicans on anything. We know for sure that they won't work with any Democratic president on anything. Why are we playing this stupid game again? We have to eviscerate the Republicans before we can rebuild this nation.

Joe, we have to rebuild this nation, and we have to do it without the Republicans. To build, you need an architect, and that's Warren.

WhiteTara

(29,693 posts)
36. I'm sort of embarrassed for her
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:58 AM
Apr 2020

I don't think she is nearly strong enough to handle the republicons after Joe has some horrible medical condition and she's on her own. No. Kamala Harris is ready to take the reins of government and lead it to a better world for ALL of us, not just the wealthy and powerful. Of course, JMHO and I hope I didn't offend.

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
21. I like both Klobuchar and Harris. I'd be very happy with
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:50 AM
Apr 2020

either one. Warren is OK but we really need somebody under 60 on the ticket.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
22. I wonder how the major contenders poll in MI, WI, and PA
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:56 AM
Apr 2020

Would any bring another state besides those three into the fold (Florida or Georgia). In a campaign where experience and competence is going to be emphasized, you might not be able to go with Abrams or Demings. Of course for Demings it could be argued that she has significant executive experience (Chief of Police of a mid size city is a pretty big job). Ideally she needs more than two terms as a Representative though.

Abrams was a big fish in a small pond (minority leader of the George state House of Representatives for six years). She does have an employment history outside of the government. She has no executive experience.

Klobuchar does has limited executive experience (County Attorney). She has been in the Senate for 13 years and a Ranking member of a committee. Obviously she has midwest appeal.

Harris does have a stronger resume than Klobuchar given her state AG experience. She hasn't been a Senator as long though. I don't think she is as appealing in the midwest.





DFW

(54,302 posts)
23. Don't know if she is THE most logical choice, but definitely A logical choice
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:56 AM
Apr 2020

Amy Klobuchar has been in the Senate long enough to know the ins and outs of relations with Congress, which would be especially helpful if it were with a Senate with Elizabeth Warren as majority leader.

She is smart, is not a grandstanding tooter of her own horn, and, as you pointed out, has a LONG time in the Senate, with the accompanying experience in fields such as foreign policy, ecology, and economic policy. That sets her apart from relative newbies such as Warren and Harris, neither of whom I like for the job anyway. I do discount having run a presidential campaign as a marketable asset. Anyone with enough money and a little charisma can do that.

A "yeah, she seems just fine" candidate with big smarts and the sly modesty not to shove them in people's faces when the situation does not warrant it is an asset, too.

My ideal VP pick would have been the same as my first presidential pick, namely Jay Inslee of Washington State, but since Joe Biden has stated categorically that he would pick a woman as his VP, then the credentials of the women available are what we need to scrutinize.

Warren is out for me for a number of reasons, but an obvious one is that I don't want that 180 day window (or however long it is) of time when her Senate replacement would be a Republican, possibly being the difference in letting Moscow Mitch--if he survives the election--continue on as Senate Majority Leader at a time when we need to start damage control on day 1.

Harris, with her famous zeal as a prosecutor for getting convictions with less than thorough regard for whether or not there was sufficient evidence to justify a conviction, bothers me a lot. Let her have AG and turn her loose on the Trumpanzees. I have other issues with her as well, but none so detrimental as the weakness of being able to be portrayed as someone who went for unjustified convictions of the possibly innocent. Our base doesn't need to hear that about someone on our ticket, especially if the Republicans get to "expose" it first, and we have to do damage control afterward. A presidential campaign that needs to do major damage control on part of its ticket is already ⅔ of the way to losing.

There are others with less of a public profile. Their major weakness is, well, lack of a profile. If Biden makes his pick early, they have time to build one up--and the Republicans have more time to tear it down, so there is no margin for error. That's a job for the vetting committee.

Klobuchar is white--some people won't like that. She is not known as far left--some people won't like that. She has not taken any notably far left positions on anything that would satisfy strong supporters of Sanders and Warren--supporters of Sanders and Warren won't like that, either.

For Klobuchar, as with anyone else under consideration, it will all come down to which of the pro factors, when added up, outweigh the con factors--if indeed they ever do. First, the vetting committee needs to do its job, and then Biden's inner circle needs to do its job. Not just the ideologues, but the number crunchers, too. Guys like David Simas, who behind the scenes did so brilliantly to put Barack Obama in office.

It won't be our rants that constitute the deciding factor, I'll let you all in on that one right now.

 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
41. Enjoy your posts
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:18 PM
Apr 2020

But I have a question. If you have concerns about Harris’ conduct as a prosecutor why put her in the AG spot? That seems counterintuitive.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
47. There is a madness to my method
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:27 PM
Apr 2020

I want one of the first orders of business of a Biden Administration to be the pursuit of criminal activity by the whole Trump gang. For that, considering the wall of resistance they will put up, we NEED an overly aggressive prosecutor, and that will have to come from the AG's office coordinating the campaign. I do NOT want her giving input into the writing of defendants' rights when it comes to people of little to no financial means to hire attorneys to defend themselves. However, to go after the Trump gang, as numerous and as mean as they are, we NEED an overly zealous prosecutor, and since Harris is comfortable in that role, I'd be happy to give it to her for the first few years, maybe even the whole four year term.

 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
50. That's sort of what I thought you might say
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:41 PM
Apr 2020

Makes a lot of sense. Very solid reasoning and I think it would be fun to see her in that role.

I think in the end he’ll pick someone that did not run in this cycle as his VP.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
52. Certainly possible
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:48 PM
Apr 2020

Foreign policy, economic chops and environmental awareness are absolute musts, but there are surely a few women out there that could fill the position that fit the bill. I'm nowhere near up on who they all could be, but you can be sure that Biden has a VP vetting committee already up and running and going over every name mentioned here and probably ten others.

That's why I said that Sen. Klobuchar is "a" logical pick, but not the only one. The predictable posts are up as to why some people JUST KNOW that their favorite will be Biden's pick, and we're all idiots for not recognizing it. I'm content to be one such idiot for a while. I'm betting that I'm not alone, there.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
27. Terrible choice
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:21 AM
Apr 2020

Even worse than Tim Kaine.

Klobuchar comes from a solid blue state and doesn’t help flip a swing state. She more centrist than Biden so she won’t help attract progressives to the ticket. And she won’t help energize the African American vote.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
66. Agreed. Amy is as dull as dishwater.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:34 PM
Apr 2020

She is not going to inspire anyone to get to the polls. I'm sorry, but she will be a drag on the ticket. We need someone who is more progressive and preferable African American. I like Kamala. She is charismatic, well-spoken, intelligent and highly qualified. Joe needs someone who will add a spark to his ticket and Amy is NOT that person. Kamala can get people excited to vote.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
70. Harris is from a solid blue state
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 02:54 AM
Apr 2020

and won’t help flip any swing states. Her record as a prosecutor won’t help attract progressive voters to the ticket. There are other women of color who are better choices, none of whom accused Biden of being a racist on national television.

Greybnk48

(10,164 posts)
29. Amy's not a good idea, IMO.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:39 AM
Apr 2020

I say Kamala or Elizabeth. They excite people.

Edit: I'm a Wisconsin voter, but in general, I'm much more liberal than my neighbors. My 30 y/o kids don't like Amy. They like Warren, Kamala and Abrams.

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
30. What's needed? A team to WIN and to GOVERN successfully. Ready on day One plus a Joe Biden to Biden
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:47 AM
Apr 2020

Link below is a good start for considerations.

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/14/21209668/joe-biden-vice-president-running-mate

Also, David Byler, the author of the Washington Post opinion cited in the OP, indicates he, too, will offer up more than just one analysis for VP pick.

Besides being READY ON DAY ONE (in terms of actual experience or whiz-fast learning curve competency) AND being JOEBIDEN to Biden ::

I would also want the VP pick to be pragmatic if possible in terms of 1) added-value to the over-all Presidential and Electoral College victories, BUT 2) NOT take away any current DEM Senate seats such that that seat would still be a DEM appointment.

Yea, I know ...............



MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
31. Lol.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:52 AM
Apr 2020

All the hoops folks are jumping through to ignore the obvious.

Harris will be his pick. All the bullshit propaganda thrown at her here has been ridiculous and means nothing in the real world.

Biden/Harris is the team we need to heal this country and move us forward. Can’t wait to see Obama out on the campaign trail with them.

TeamPooka

(24,210 posts)
71. Biden did horribly as a primary candidate twice
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 03:16 AM
Apr 2020

But then he did just fine as Obamas vice presidential candidate

Happy Hoosier

(7,221 posts)
33. Not my preference.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:54 AM
Apr 2020

She is certainly qualified, and would do a good job, but I think we have better choices.

jxla

(201 posts)
38. David Byler's disclaimer
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:01 PM
Apr 2020

"This piece is the first in a series where I make the strongest possible case for various possible Democratic vice presidential picks. I’m starting with Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar and will make the case for others in the coming days."

Bayard

(22,011 posts)
46. I think she would be a good choice
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:56 PM
Apr 2020

Harris, Abrams, and Deming do not have enough experience. As much as I like Warren, she's not much younger than Joe. Susan Rice does not have the right kind of experience.

I'm thinking one of the governors would be the best choice.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
48. Governors are a always a shot in the dark when taken out of their familiar surroundings
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 01:31 PM
Apr 2020

I couldn't believe what a disappointment Kathleen Sibelius was in the Obama administration. Considering the disaster that was Kansas when she left, it was all the more a shame that she was taken from the governorship there to go to Washington. Obama lost small time, and Kansas lost BIG time.

mvd

(65,162 posts)
53. I like Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Tammy Duckworth and Gretchen Whitmer
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 02:30 PM
Apr 2020

Klobuchar is experienced, but not sure she would balance the ticket well. May be like Kaine, as someone noted.

mvd

(65,162 posts)
56. I assume she can, but maybe someone can clarify
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 03:55 PM
Apr 2020

Another Tammy, Tammy Baldwin, would also be good.

Bayard

(22,011 posts)
64. Even though she was not actually born in the U.S.?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:19 PM
Apr 2020

I thought that was an iron-clad Constitutional requirement.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
67. There's flexibility. John McCain was born in Panama
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 12:01 AM
Apr 2020

She has an American parent so she's a "natural born citizen" per our laws

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
68. She would be the kiss of death.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 12:30 AM
Apr 2020

The most boring, uninspiring candidate ever. You could not pick a worse VP candidate.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
72. Whitmer is an even stronger choice along those same lines
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 04:11 AM
Apr 2020

Though I still think it's going to be Grisham

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
75. I don't OBJECT to her
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 04:36 AM
Apr 2020

I just don't see what she brings to the ticket. She doesn't complement Biden in any way that might better attract a constituency with which he may have soft support. The idea that a person can single-handedly deliver a state or region that the top of the ticket might have trouble with is, in my opinion, no longer a factor... if it ever was.
I think Elizabeth Warren complements him the best... my main concern with her is that in four more years she will also be quite old and i'd like to see us hand off to someone younger. She's also not a woman of color. I'm not worried about her senate seat... a special election would be called to replace a temporary appointment. They wouldn't even fill out the remainder of her term.

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